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We need more TEACHERS! Thousands of them at $50k+/year!
We need to double spending in our SCHOOLS! Nothing too good for our Kids!
Increase the pensions! Increase the training budget! We need more Admins of Welcoming Diversity! Fund our schools, Evil Republicans!
"How about a security guard at the entrance?"
NOOOOO! That would cost ZILLIONS! Just add extra layers of bureaucracy to buy a gun, or better yet, Ban Semi-Auto Rifles!
Presumably because they’re being committed by children/students, and the schools are the institutions they most commonly attend
errc saysPresumably because they’re being committed by children/students, and the schools are the institutions they most commonly attend
Wrong answer, as all the mass shootings were committed by adults, since children can't purchase firearms.
This is why it's impossible to have an honest discussion. One side wants nothing to do with it.
Psychotropic prescription industry is closer to a thing that can be identified as a cause than availability of guns.
Guns make it worse, so could bombs too.
Bombs can be made from things very hard to control. If you control guns you might start seeing more bombings.
... Jazz being the exception.
Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.
One side entirely dismisses the fact the school of 3100+ people had absolutely no checks to stop strangers from entering at a whim
... Jazz being the exception.
Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.
TwoScoopsPlissken says... Jazz being the exception.
Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.
Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?
Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?
These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.
errc saysTwoScoopsPlissken says... Jazz being the exception.
Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.
Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?
Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?
These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.
Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.
FortWayne sayserrc saysTwoScoopsPlissken says... Jazz being the exception.
Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.
Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?
Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?
These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.
Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer...
Approaching 200 comments and not one person attempted a cost benefit analysis, even though it is the topic of the thread.
Capitalism is dead, and us Capitalists are a dying breed
Thanks for proving my point. That is another pure lie. Not a half lie, or misrepresentation. Just a bald faced lie.
which our anti-science right wing government
errc sayswhich our anti-science right wing government
You mean the one that suggests you down 6-11 cups of grains each day for decades and still suggests bovine levels of unhealthy, heart-disease inducing grain consumption? While demonizing life-giving, brain protecting fats like eggs and red meat?
Wrong answer, as all the mass shootings were committed by adults, since children can't purchase firearms.
All the school shootings were committed by adults?
That seems to be at odds with reality, because in reality, almost every single school shooting was carried out by children.
Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?
Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.
If you go to a restaurant, they serve you a bad taco and it kills you, is it your fault or is the restaurant liable?
Guns only have one useful purpose to kill things, and or scare people into running away because you might kill them.
Wow, Liberalism is definitely a mental disease.
errc saysAre car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.
If you go to a restaurant, they serve you a bad taco and it kills you, is it your fault or is the restaurant liable?
What a straw man.
Wow, Liberalism is definitely a mental disease.
So what you’re saying is that the gun makers product worked exactly as intended at the Florida school: to turn 17 people into a bloody puddle of pulp. Hence, nothing to be liable for. It worked as advertised
Why are physicians absolved from liability for writing the Rx in the first place?
Yes, let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill or gun) instead.
When do you start blaming Ford or Chevy for all the people their cars kill?
Cars have a purpose. Swimming pools have a purpose. Knives have a purpose.
What is the purpose of an AR-15?
Nobody is blaming guns. Nobody is saying guns caused the shooting
What people are saying is that letting mentally ill 19 yr olds have access to weapons that can kill hundreds of people in minutes is a bad idea.
Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars have useful purposes that are required for commerce and commuting. Guns only have one useful purpose to kill things, and or scare people into running away because you might kill them.
Why not address the mental issues without bringing inanimate objects into the discussion?
All bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.
Why not address the mental issues without bringing inanimate objects into the discussion?
All bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.
FortWayne saysAll bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.
That's an argument against having any laws at all. Only criminals commit crimes.
No, that's an argument against adding any NEW laws, because the criminals don't abide by the EXISTING ones.
Please tell us what NEW laws these criminals would honor and obey?
I'll be waiting.
There are no laws that prevent you from buying a gun for defense. We need laws that prevent the sale of guns that can be used in mass slaughter within 2 minutes.
When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.
Strategist saysThere are no laws that prevent you from buying a gun for defense. We need laws that prevent the sale of guns that can be used in mass slaughter within 2 minutes.
When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.
There is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.
I could see an issue if he had an uzi or something spraying bullets, but the kid used a handgun I think, right?
let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill
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High school kids have ~50 years of unrealized labor potential, at a ballpark of 50k per year.
2,500,000 x 17 = $42,500,000 in lost potential wages
17 families will now have to bury a child. Average cost of funeral service 10k = $170,000
Let’s say on average 50 people attend each funeral, so they have to take a day or two of unpaid bereavement leave.
850 people x $500 in lost wages= $425,000 in lost wages
It’s not cheap to travel with no notice for planning, so we’ll use an average $1,000 per person = $850,000
100’s maybe 1,000s of survivors will now suffer from PTSD, which is hard to calculate costs but easily into the millions = $100,000,000- $1,000,000,000
So we’re already potentially north of 1 billion dollars in costs, without even beginning to consider all the ancillary costs to come, so we can pause and move over to the benefit side of the analysis.
Benefits
A gun manufacturer made a sale of ~1,000 which netted them a hundred or two in profits.
So who gets stuck with the tab for another gun nut taking his lame hobby of target practice to the local high school?
Oddly, not the gun maker. Because your halfwit Republican Government says that the gun worked as intended, to turn teenagers into bloody chunks.