patrick.net

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act

But, but, but what if this kid wanted to join a militia?? You know--and overthrow our government. The Constitution guarantees him that right.

But Muh Hillary!!

Kekekekekek!

If you don’t make me stop thinking about Trannies 24:7, pol pot will get you!

Leftism, never even once!

errc says

Yesterday another gun nut MENTALLY DERANGED individual slaughtered 17 innocent Americans in Florida.

There, now it's accurate.

anon_df5d8 says

errc says

Yesterday another gun nut MENTALLY DERANGED individual slaughtered 17 innocent Americans in Florida.

There, now it's accurate

Gun nut and mentally deranged are not mutually exclusive. I would have thought that was proven beyond doubt by now.

Somehow 60 years ago we knew inside ourselves that we weren't supposed to do something like this--it would never have crossed our minds. My father kept a loaded double barreled shotgun on top of the wardrobe--you could just see the butt sticking up. He'd take it out every once in awhile and fire it for practice. Just like the recent rapes among high school soccer teammates, it was something that never would have occurred to anyone back then. It's a growing barbarism that no laws or removal of guns can stop. Unless people once again become self-regulating, nothing is going to stop these things.

I would like to know how many of those school shooters are on antidepressants, and if number of mass shootings correlate with needless medication of younger generation.

This - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/15/suspected-gunman-nikolas-cruz-was-living-with-florida-high-school-student-in-months-leading-up-to-massacre-attorney-says.html says that shooter might have been medicated. This - https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/09/paxil-safety-bmj-depression-suicide/406105/ - shows that taking some antidepressants might lead to suicide, and I recall that that they may cause psychotic behavior in young adults as well. In any case, one has to ask a question why in 1960's and even 1970's it was common for schoolkids to take hunting rifles to school to go deer hunting in afternoon, and there were no or very few school shootings, but now it seems that we have school shooting every week while access to guns is more restricted. Also, this is the second case where FBI was warned about the perp and did not take action. First was in Aztec school shooting in NM where FBI did nothing as well.

P N Dr Lo R says

Somehow 60 years ago we knew inside ourselves that we weren't supposed to do something like this--it would never have crossed our minds. My father kept a loaded double barreled shotgun on top of the wardrobe--you could just see the butt sticking up. He'd take it out every once in awhile and fire it for practice. Just like the recent rapes among high school soccer teammates, it was something that never would have occurred to anyone back then. It's a growing barbarism that no laws or removal of guns can stop. Unless people once again become self-regulating, nothing is going to stop these things.

I'd have to agree with this.

drB6 says

I would like to know how many of those school shooters are on antidepressants, and if number of mass shootings correlate with needless medication of younger generation.

And this. SSRIs are a leading cause for such incidents as well as suicides, and their prescription has been on the rise

Also the culture of blaming others for your shortcomings. No easy fix here.

mell says

Also the culture of blaming others for your shortcomings. No easy fix here.

Glad you see the light with right wing radio. Boycott them now and take them out of business! Let these propagandists make an honest living like the rest of us!

anon_bb95f says

mell says

Also the culture of blaming others for your shortcomings. No easy fix here.

Glad you see the light with right wing radio. Boycott them now and take them out of business! Let these propagandists make an honest living like the rest of us!

Eh that's mainly a trait of the cultural-marxist left to blame others.

mell says

Eh that's mainly a trait of the cultural-marxist left to blame others

Right, Trump's a cultural-Marxist.

UsualOven says

mell says

Eh that's mainly a trait of the cultural-marxist left to blame others

Right, Trump's a cultural-Marxist.

No.

mell says

drB6 says

I would like to know how many of those school shooters are on antidepressants, and if number of mass shootings correlate with needless medication of younger generation.

And this. SSRIs are a leading cause for such incidents as well as suicides, and their prescription has been on the rise

Yep.

Everyone of these past killers had issues with either mental illness or were taking SSRI to control them. Did I say EVERY ONE?

It always came out AFTER the shooting that people knew these shooters had "issues".


mell says

Also the culture of blaming others for your shortcomings. No easy fix here.

Wait, won't a quick Facebook update posting or a tweet to their followers fix that?

If we only had gun show background checks:

Florida school shooting suspect may have been flagged for past threats.

The portrait of Nikolas Cruz, suspected of fatally shooting 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland and wounding 15 others at his former school, is a troubled teen with few friends and an obsessive interest in weapons. Administrators considered him enough of a potential threat that one teacher said a warning was emailed last year against allowing him on the campus with a backpack.

“Our investigators began dissecting social media,” Broward Sheriff Scott Israel told reporters. “Some of the things that come to mind are very, very disturbing.”

At Stoneman Douglas High, he was part of the Junior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps during his freshman year, classmates said. Charo said he spoke little and “was into some weird stuff.”

In the images, he sported dark bandanas over his face and beanies and baseball caps on his head. In one post, he wielded knives between his fingers as though they were claws. In another, he showed off a small black handgun.

Friends said he spoke little of his relatives. He and his brother were adopted when they were young by Lynda and Roger Cruz, of Long Island, New York, according to relatives. They raised the boys in Parkland.

Roger Cruz died over a decade ago and Lynda struggled with the boys, said Barbara Kumbatovich, a former sister-in-law. “She did the best she could. They were adopted and had some emotional issues,” she said.

Kumbatovich said she believed Nikolas Cruz was on medication to deal with his emotional fragility. “She was struggling with Nikolas the last couple years,” she said.

After his mother died, Cruz moved in with a friend, whose family in Broward took him in and even gave him own bedroom. He worked at a dollar store and went to a school for at-risk youth, said Fort Lauderdale attorney Jim Lewis, who is representing the family.

“We were told last year that he wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack on him,” said Gard, who had him in class. “There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus.”

“He used to have weird, random outbursts, cursing at teachers,” Fairchild said. “He was a troubled kid.”

The parent of another student agreed, saying his son, Daniel, had warned him about Cruz.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html#storylink=cpy
Yep, there were no Red Flags at all.

It's all Trump's fault.

errc says

Because your halfwit Republican Government

If only that half wit FBI would do their job instead of searching for non-existent Russian collusion, texting their lovers and paying for FAKE dossiers, they might actually stop this crap.

In many of these past shootings, the shooter was already on LEO radar, but still managed to commit these slaughters. How's that surveillance state working out? It's not like the FBI didn't have any evidence, it was all over this punks Facebook and Instagram pages.




Florida shooting gunman Nikolas Cruz ‘vowed on YouTube video LAST YEAR to commit massacre… but nothing was done despite being flagged to the FBI’.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5583296/florida-shooting-shooter-nikolas-cruz-youtube-video-fbi/

anon_52f5e says

Everyone of these past killers had issues with either mental illness or were taking SSRI to control them. Did I say EVERY ONE?

It always came out AFTER the shooting that people knew these shooters had "issues".

Not necessarily. Both in case of FL and NM shooters FBI was warned beforehand and did nothing. If only we had a law requiring FBI to do something in such cases...

Yes ban the guns! It's high time we moved onto to school mass stabbings!!

HEYYOU says

CAPACITY CLIP

What's a "clip"?

One of these?

The horse is out of the barn. Cat's out of the bag. Genie's out of the bottle... These assault rifles aren't going anywhere. Too many out there; too easy to get. Too many crazies, too few straightjackets.

Don't forget to add to the tally the cost to Patrick of gun nut retards ruining his site.

After Sandy Hook, I read someone's argument that we need to start publishing crime scene photos, autopsy photos, etc. of these mutilated children and bloody people. Like aborted fetus pics, I suppose. Somehow, I don't think that would stir many of the NRA cultists.

anon_8f378 says

But, but, but what if this kid wanted to join a militia?? You know--and overthrow our government. The Constitution guarantees him that right.

Good one. :)

cynn says

The horse is out of the barn. Cat's out of the bag. Genie's out of the bottle... These assault rifles aren't going anywhere. Too many out there; too easy to get. Too many crazies, too few straightjackets.

The apocalypse is upon us! Nothing we can do! Ohhhh woe is me. I clutch my pearls and despair.

HEYYOU says

Yesterday another WHITE MALE individual slaughtered 17 innocent Americans in Florida

I don't give a rat's ass what color his skin is. 25 years on death row, before they hang him will be good. All the other criminals in jail deserve a treat every now and then.

horse and the barn, genie and the bottle. I can see those.
but cat out of the bag?? should be cat outta the hat...

cynn says

The horse is out of the barn. Cat's out of the bag. Genie's out of the bottle..

cynn says

After Sandy Hook, I read someone's argument that we need to start publishing crime scene photos, autopsy photos, etc. of these mutilated children and bloody people. Like aborted fetus pics, I suppose. Somehow, I don't think that would stir many of the NRA cultists.

I’m sure it would get them hard as a rock and they’d give it a nice cumtribute

Gun nuts live for shit like the Florida school shooting because that’s what the 2A is all about!

That desire is no longer posited as BGAmall retired on the strip...

cynn says

After Sandy Hook, I read someone's argument that we need to start publishing crime scene photos, autopsy photos, etc

FP says

Don't forget to add to the tally the cost to Patrick of gun nut retards ruining his site.

Yes, it's totally horrible how FACTS are ruining this site. We need to be able to only post articles from WaPo, that will make it so much better.

BlueSardine says

but cat out of the bag??

Old saying. Refers to taking the cat of nine tails out of the bag to flog someone.

The FBI was warned last month that Nikolas Cruz was an armed psycho who might shoot up a school — but it didn’t bother investigating, the agency admitted Friday.

“A person close to” Cruz called the agency’s tipline on Jan. 5 and reported the 19-year-old had a “desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts” and there was “potential of him conducting a school shooting,” the FBI said in a statement.

But the agency said it failed to pass on any of that information to its Miami field office, even thought its own protocols say he “should have been assessed as a potential threat to life.”

A little over a month later, on Wednesday, Cruz allegedly gunned down 17 people at his former high school.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/fbi-failed-to-investigate-tip-on-school-shooter-last-month/

It is a tragic issue. Gun opponents truly mean well, but for some reason don't seem to be able to wrap their heads around a few things.

1. Despite more guns and more people, gun violence and crime in general continue to fall. The fastest growing prison population are actually women.
2. Although guns account for 30,000 deaths each year, a third of them are suicides.
3. Though many people will cite exceptions, societies with relaxed gun laws tend to have lower crime, I am aware of countries like Australia that have seen violent crime fall even with gun control laws. These are cited as causation, but then other statistics like England's homicide rate skyrocketing briefly when guns were banned are ignored.
4. People think societies are safer with gun control. In many countries, especially in post WWII Europe, the populations are mainly mellow people who have basic needs taken care of by the government. They are generally not violent, however Paris is a great example of what happens when it is not just a school shooting, but when an entire city is held hostage because no citizen owns a gun. We will never see something like that here. Even the LA riots proved how armed citizens can protect their own property during civil unrest.
5. This country will never be invaded with private gun ownership. Japan never even considered it because they knew every citizen potentially had a gun.

Having said all that, gun ownership is a right, but it is easily taken away, so it should be viewed as a responsibility. I fully support background checks, which should include mental health notes. People on certain medications should be prohibited from buying guns, and if they own a gun, should be required to turn it in or sell it until a psychiatrist clears them.

I do think it is time to ban people under 21 from purchasing firearms. Like with alcohol restrictions, it seems like teenagers may not possess the maturity to have M16s and other glorified guns like AK47s.

Malcolm says

2. Although guns account for 30,000 deaths each year, a third of them are suicides.

Correction, 2/3rds are suicides.

Malcolm says

I am aware of countries like Australia that have seen violent crime fall even with gun control laws.

Actually, violent crime went up in Australia after the gun ban, people lost the ability to protect themselves.

Malcolm says

People think societies are safer with gun control.

Like Chicago? that has some of the strongest gun control laws?

Malcolm says

I fully support background checks, which should include mental health notes. People on certain medications should be prohibited from buying guns,

That's already covered on the 4473 background check form when you purchase a firearm.

Malcolm says

it seems like teenagers may not possess the maturity to have M16s

Teenagers can't buy M16s, in fact, nobody can without a special federal license.

Malcolm says

other glorified guns like AK47s.

An AK47 isn't a glorified gun, it's just a semi-automatic rifle like every other rifle made today.

It's time to stop watching Hollywood fictional movies.

I hope Republicans keep up their complete ass kissing of the NRA. Common sense gun control is extremely popular and it's pretty easy to imagine the ads that will be run in the midterms showing the stats about school shootings superimposed with Congressmen voting to allow kids and mentally ill patients to own guns.

Dems just took another Republican district in CA last week and are neck and neck in the PA house district that Trump won by 20 pts. These tweets from high school kids asking why 19 yr olds need M-16s, or if Trump will meet with them while he's in Florida are going to keep getting passed along and publicized.

Where is Trump's leadership? What is he doing to stop these shootings??

Australia’s rate fell to a record low. It is slightly lower now at just 1 death per hundred thousand.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-31329220
AK47s and AR15s, wannabe M16s are glorified semi automatic rifles. They are just for looks, but they are glorified. Since people buy them and spend more on them, they are glorified, since a regular rifle would be just as effective for whatever they are to be used for. If they weren’t in movies, no one would care.

Just because the questionnaire asks people if they have a mental conditikn, that is not sufficient. Why in the world would a diagnosis be withheld from the report? That is the issue, I own a gun in California, I know the form.

Not sure why the comment on Chicago, since that is just restating my point. Lax gun regulations in general correlate with lowers crime. Read before you attack.

Yes, I inverted the number, 1/3 of gun deaths 11,000 are homicides, the rest are suicides. The point is the same, which was that a large number of the deaths (suicides) would happen anyway, and a gun may be the most painless way for someone to off themselves, so that is the method men tend to choose.

My girlfriend just said something to me that I found interesting. For some reason school shootings seem common now. I think a lot of it is some bad kids glamorized Columbine and now it has started a string of imitations, but that is not the point.

Remember the saying, “He went postal?.” It seems like decades since that happened. An interesting social question is why? Is life easier now as a postal employee? What social phenomenon has made post offices safer and schools more dangerous?

Malcolm says

For some reason school shootings seem common now. I think a lot of it is some bad kids glamorized Columbine and now it has started a string of imitations, but that is not the point.

Maybe it IS the point. What's changed, firearms have been around for centuries, why the increase in school shootings now?

THAT'S the question that needs to be answered, the reason ISN'T firearms.

Malcolm says

Australia’s rate fell to a record low. It is slightly lower now at just 1 death per hundred thousand.

Deaths may have dropped but violent crimes and attacks went UP because people couldn't defend themselves. Is getting a violent beating by a thug acceptable because the thug wasn't shot by the homeowner and lived?

Malcolm says

AK47s and AR15s, wannabe M16s are glorified semi automatic rifles. They are just for looks,

So, what's the point? Since when does outside looks change the operation of a semi-auto? That means nothing in this argument.

Are we going to ban a certain model of firearms because they "look" scary??

Case in point, what's the difference in these two rifles?





The answer, absolutely nothing regarding operation. It's just the skin that's different. If Dems had their way, they would ban the bottom one, yet it's exactly the same operating rifle as the top squirrel shooter.

Malcolm says

Just because the questionnaire asks people if they have a mental conditikn, that is not sufficient.

If someone lies when they answer that question, they are an immediate felon if they take possession of the firearm. So, what new laws are the Dems wanting? Do they want to make it a DOUBLE felony to lie on the form? Will that make a guy determined to cause havoc to think twice? I doubt it.

anon_3b28c says

Where is Trump's leadership? What is he doing to stop these shootings??

Gee, he passed that responsibility to the FBI and state and local police departments. Those LEO's dropped the ball big time, even after multiple dozens of contacts with the punk.

What should Trump do now, go door to door himself and confiscate firearms?

Malcolm says

My girlfriend just said something to me that I found interesting. For some reason school shootings seem common now. I think a lot of it is some bad kids glamorized Columbine and now it has started a string of imitations, but that is not the point.

Remember the saying, “He went postal?.” It seems like decades since that happened. An interesting social question is why? Is life easier now as a postal employee? What social phenomenon has made post offices safer and schools more dangerous?

The “social phenomenon” is Republicans voters doing the bidding of their billionaires masters to destroy our social bonds and destroy the government that helped keep this country together

The NRA has released their marketing schematics

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun, so buy more guns today!

There’s nothing safer then arming a society made up of the same kind of halfwits that fill the pews on Sundays, in hopes of destroying our once great Republic