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errc says

which our anti-science right wing government

You mean the one that suggests you down 6-11 cups of grains each day for decades and still suggests bovine levels of unhealthy, heart-disease inducing grain consumption? While demonizing life-giving, brain protecting fats like eggs and red meat?

Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars have useful purposes that are required for commerce and commuting. Guns only have one useful purpose to kill things, and or scare people into running away because you might kill them.

The thing about science... is yes sometimes they get it wrong. But science isn’t faith based nonsense...someone always comes along and proves them wrong with better science.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

errc says

which our anti-science right wing government

You mean the one that suggests you down 6-11 cups of grains each day for decades and still suggests bovine levels of unhealthy, heart-disease inducing grain consumption? While demonizing life-giving, brain protecting fats like eggs and red meat?

errc says

Wrong answer, as all the mass shootings were committed by adults, since children can't purchase firearms.

All the school shootings were committed by adults?

That seems to be at odds with reality, because in reality, almost every single school shooting was carried out by children.

Got any facts to back that up?

Ha Ha, I know that will never happen.

errc says

Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?

Why are physicians absolved from liability for writing the Rx in the first place?

Yes, let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill or gun) instead.

When do you start blaming Ford or Chevy for all the people their cars kill?

errc says

Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.

If you go to a restaurant, they serve you a bad taco and it kills you, is it your fault or is the restaurant liable?

What a straw man.

Wow, Liberalism is definitely a mental disease.

WildMind says

Guns only have one useful purpose to kill things, and or scare people into running away because you might kill them.

anon_cf6c6 says

Wow, Liberalism is definitely a mental disease.

anon_cf6c6 says

errc says

Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.

If you go to a restaurant, they serve you a bad taco and it kills you, is it your fault or is the restaurant liable?

What a straw man.

Wow, Liberalism is definitely a mental disease.

I see. So what you’re saying is that the gun makers product worked exactly as intended at the Florida school: to turn 17 people into a bloody puddle of pulp. Hence, nothing to be liable for. It worked as advertised

errc says

So what you’re saying is that the gun makers product worked exactly as intended at the Florida school: to turn 17 people into a bloody puddle of pulp. Hence, nothing to be liable for. It worked as advertised

Yes, that AR-15 that was lying on the table immediately jumped up, all by itself, and killed those 17 kids. No input from any human.

Pretty amazing technology, isn't it?

anon_cf6c6 says

Why are physicians absolved from liability for writing the Rx in the first place?

Yes, let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill or gun) instead.

When do you start blaming Ford or Chevy for all the people their cars kill?

Again--it's impossible to have an actual discussion with any Trump supporters anymore. Nobody is blaming guns. Nobody is saying guns caused the shooting.

What people are saying is that letting mentally ill 19 yr olds have access to weapons that can kill hundreds of people in minutes is a bad idea. What is the purpose of the AR-15?

Cars have a purpose. Swimming pools have a purpose. Knives have a purpose.

What is the purpose of an AR-15?

What I can't find are gun rights supporters agreeing that this 19 year old mentally unstable persons ability to purchase firearms is a defect.

In hindsight- should he have been able to purchase a gun, yes or no? If no, then there is something inadequate in our current system of gun purchases. We can debate how best to solve to eliminate the defect.

If it's yes, he should have been able to purchase, well that's less of a debate. I'm not sure you can reason with that.

anon_3b28c says

Cars have a purpose. Swimming pools have a purpose. Knives have a purpose.

What is the purpose of an AR-15?

Please get some education, you're really embarrassing yourself.

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anon_3b28c says

Nobody is blaming guns. Nobody is saying guns caused the shooting

Then why are you ALL you Liberals calling for bans on AR-15s?

anon_3b28c says

What people are saying is that letting mentally ill 19 yr olds have access to weapons that can kill hundreds of people in minutes is a bad idea.

Why not address the mental issues without bringing inanimate objects into the discussion?

How many times have cars and trucks been used to kill in a mass murder. It's not a hardware issue, it's a mental defective issue.

All bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.

WildMind says

Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars have useful purposes that are required for commerce and commuting. Guns only have one useful purpose to kill things, and or scare people into running away because you might kill them.

Speaking of Gun Nut retards, here's a guy who chop saws his AR15 in response to the Florida shooting, saying that no one needs a AR15.

Problem is, the idiot cuts down the barrel but does nothing to the receiver.

He just immediately made himself a felon by having an illegally shortened barrel on an operating rifle.

More Liberal idiots on display.
www.youtube.com/embed/yDtE50RhOo8


Some comments under the video:


Diraphe
20 hours ago
Have fun with that felony charge for creating an SBR without a tax stamp.

Sircliffe
Sircliffe
21 hours ago
Cut the receiver in half to support gun control. All you did was make a illegal short barreled pre-banned AR.


Steve Rainsford
20 hours ago
Anybody that owns and shoots AR’s knows the way to destroy it is by cutting the receivers, not the damn barrel. He cut the barrel down to about 4-5inches, which is less then the legal 16” on a rifle. He created a SBR. He committed a felony.


Tommy Seabee
22 hours ago
If the ATF does not act on this they are complicit in a felony NFA violation. He did it on camera. It is on Facebook and YouTube. He must do the mandatory 10 years in prison to show how stupid the NFA is as well as liberals with guns.


blaqlocust
8 hours ago
Poor guy lets his emotions get to the best of him instead of logic. When will these people realise that this will never stop crime, but make it much worst.

chriscat85
chriscat85
22 hours ago
And besides that, you just commented a felony. No joke, no doubt about it. Unless you filled out the paperwork and have your stamp, you just broke a federal law. You just created a “sbr” short barrel rifle. 10 years and $10,000 fine.


Matt Wideman
1 hour ago
Have fun with your felony charge and the publishing evidence of your crime! I am sure the ATF will take into consideration your political stance as they kick your door down. You could have just crushed the lower receiver and taken the bolt apart without committing a felony.

anon_cf6c6 says

Why not address the mental issues without bringing inanimate objects into the discussion?

Because we should address all contributing factors in the solution.

FortWayne says

All bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.

That's an argument against having any laws at all. Only criminals commit crimes.

anon_cf6c6 says

Why not address the mental issues without bringing inanimate objects into the discussion?

A psychological analysis of anyone wanting to buy an AR-15 would be addressing the mental issues. The buyer would need to pay for it. If you are suggesting a mental analysis for every single person in the USA, it's not practical and will never happen.
By the way, I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me the need for an AR-15 for the average person.

FortWayne says

All bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.

There are no laws that prevent you from buying a gun for defense. We need laws that prevent the sale of guns that can be used in mass slaughter within 2 minutes.
When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.

anon_8f378 says

FortWayne says

All bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.

That's an argument against having any laws at all. Only criminals commit crimes.

No, that's an argument against adding any NEW laws, because the criminals don't abide by the EXISTING ones.

Please tell us what NEW laws these criminals would honor and obey?

I'll be waiting.

anon_cf6c6 says

No, that's an argument against adding any NEW laws, because the criminals don't abide by the EXISTING ones.

Please tell us what NEW laws these criminals would honor and obey?

I'll be waiting.

None. Criminals honor no laws. I would fully support owning AR-15's if they were only used to kill criminals. Sadly, the foolish law states killing hard core criminals is illegal.

Strategist says

There are no laws that prevent you from buying a gun for defense. We need laws that prevent the sale of guns that can be used in mass slaughter within 2 minutes.
When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.

There is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.

I could see an issue if he had an uzi or something spraying bullets, but the kid used a handgun I think, right?

FortWayne says

Strategist says

There are no laws that prevent you from buying a gun for defense. We need laws that prevent the sale of guns that can be used in mass slaughter within 2 minutes.
When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.

There is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.

I could see an issue if he had an uzi or something spraying bullets, but the kid used a handgun I think, right?

When you want to go into a school and murder a bunch of kids, what gun do you use?

anon_cf6c6 says

let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill

The kid did report demon voices telling him who/how to kill... perhaps this is his lawyer's advice, BUT if true, his brain was completely gone. So yeah, when a drug reports a 1 out of a thousand chance of anxiety driven hallucinations, then someone should know not to give that poison to an already fucked up kid.

CBOEtrader says

anon_cf6c6 says

let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill

The kid did report demon voices telling him who/how to kill... perhaps this is his lawyer's advice, BUT if true, his brain was completely gone. So yeah, when a drug reports a 1 out of a thousand chance of anxiety driven hallucinations, then someone should know not to give that poison to an already fucked up kid.

This nation has a big problem with the people hearing voices in their head. They definitely shouldn’t have guns, nor hold public office

Any Asshole saying that “God told me” should be disqualified from holding public office

Marijuana May Both Trigger and Suppress Psychosis | TIME.com

www.healthland.time.com/2012/01/05/marijuana-may-both-trigger-and-suppress-psychosis/ Jan 5, 2012 - For example, an inability to filter out irrelevant stimuli may lead people to hallucinate voices when others hear only noise. And if a sense of heightened significance occurs simultaneously, this could lead to hallucinations common in schizophrenia, like a sense that the voices are commanding you to do ...

href="/post/1313825&#comment-1485215">errc says

This nation has a big problem with the people hearing voices in their head.

FortWayne says

There is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.

The issue is how many times you can pull the trigger and how fast. How many mass shootings are there with bolt action rifles or revolvers where you have to stop after a few shots and put in bullets one at a time? You guys are just full of crap with this it's all the same garbage. The only use for high capacity fast reload mags is to shoot lots of bullets very fast. At people, not deer. Or to make up for some serious sexual inadequacy. Hey sweety come check out my mag.

errc says

Any Asshole saying that “God told me” should be disqualified from holding public office

Hopefully, time will lead to those people getting voted out. Until recent times, even atheists have had to play up their religious cred. Many polls still do, as there are more religious nuts in our country than atheists.

One particularly senseless talking point of the gun nuts is that criminals don't obey the laws anyway, so gun laws will only disarm innocent people. The stupidity of this is that they are ignoring the fact that tough gun laws will put many of those criminals behind bars. If semiautomatic firearms were illegal, cops police would have probable cause to search any time rapid fire was reported. Furthermore, criminals would have a harder time getting firearms if 'innocent' people were not buying them left and right.

Another wrong talking point is the idea that arming everybody would stop crime, because there would be hero's all about stopping the few evil bad guys around. This would dramatically drive up the number of accidents, and make getting a gun super easy. All a criminal would have to do is break into a few cars, snatch a couple purses, etc. Best case scenario, this results in the wild west type atmosphere, which would be a disaster.

Finally, there is a strange need among gun defenders to state that people who kill themselves with a gun would just kill themselves with something else in the absence of a gun. This is not necessarily the case. The harder it is for someone to off themselves, the less likely they will be to do it on any given day, and the more likely they will be to decide not to do it. Some of the same people making this case are the ones arguing that the opioid epidemic is tragic, and the white male depression epidemic is tragic. Well, it's tragic if someone offs themselves with a drug or a gun. Both happen to be very easy, and they are easier when the drugs and guns are super easy to come by.

CBOEtrader says

The kid did report demon voices telling him who/how to kill... perhaps this is his lawyer's advice, BUT if true, his brain was completely gone. So yeah, when a drug reports a 1 out of a thousand chance of anxiety driven hallucinations, then someone should know not to give that poison to an already fucked up kid.

But, it's A-OK to give that kid a gun!

anon_61c8a says

Another wrong talking point is the idea that arming everybody would stop crime, because there would be hero's all about stopping the few evil bad guys around. This would dramatically drive up the number of accidents, and make getting a gun super easy. All a criminal would have to do is break into a few cars, snatch a couple purses, etc. Best case scenario, this results in the wild west type atmosphere, which would be a disaster.

More total Liberal B.S. and lies.

Just please STOP.

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anon_61c8a says

Finally, there is a strange need among gun defenders to state that people who kill themselves with a gun would just kill themselves with something else in the absence of a gun. This is not necessarily the case. The harder it is for someone to off themselves, the less likely they will be to do it on any given day, and the more likely they will be to decide not to do it.

Stop, just please stop with this B.S. hyperbole.




If people want to kill themselves, they find a way. Period.

anon_8f378 says

But, it's A-OK to give that kid a gun!

Because he was never charged and convicted or forcibly hospitalized by the Authorities in the 30-something encounters they had with him.

Had he been, he wouldn't have been able to pass the background check.

anon_61c8a says

One particularly senseless talking point of the gun nuts is that criminals don't obey the laws anyway, so gun laws will only disarm innocent people. The stupidity of this is that they are ignoring the fact that tough gun laws will put many of those criminals behind bars.

ONG, please just STOP this B.S. Liberal narrative!!

There are over 20,000 - 30,000 EXISTING gun laws on the books. Killing people is a felony. Criminals break those thousands of laws daily, that' why they're called "criminals".

Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws on the books, yet it's the BIGGEST killing field in the country... Explain that?

Liberal Logic, the ignorance is astounding.

bob2356 says

FortWayne says

There is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.

The issue is how many times you can pull the trigger and how fast. How many mass shootings are there with bolt action rifles or revolvers where you have to stop after a few shots and put in bullets one at a time? You guys are just full of crap with this it's all the same garbage. The only use for high capacity fast reload mags is to shoot lots of bullets very fast. At people, not deer. Or to make up for some serious sexual inadequacy. Hey sweety come check out my mag.

Mass shootings, usually gun or a rifle. No one uses bolt action since Kennedy assassination. We can't go back in time Bob, this is what world is today. Cops use modern weapons, soldiers use modern weapons, and yes criminals have access to all of them too. Only regular law abiding folks will fall under any new regulation, which makes any new regulation useless.

And the problem with last shooting, wasn't an issue of gun control. It was a failure of our government. People did what they were told "saw something, said something". it's the FBI that failed to act and investigate. Just like with Tsarnaev brothers. All these government crooks know is how to milk the system to spike their pensions, they don't actually stop bad guys. Because the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

You are gullible if you think any law will stop someone who set their mind on committing a murder.

Strategist says

When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.

Defending yourself with a handgun, take a lot of practice. People don't want to do that. It's simply much easier to defend yourself with a gun that can spray bullets indiscriminately everywhere.

FortWayne says

Mass shootings, usually gun or a rifle. No one uses bolt action since Kennedy assassination. We can't go back in time Bob, this is what world is today. Cops use modern weapons, soldiers use modern weapons, and yes criminals have access to all of them too. Only regular law abiding folks will fall under any new regulation, which makes any new regulation useless.

Criminals are doing mass shootings all around the country? Last time I checked most mass shooters bought perfectly legally. There is no reason whatsoever any civilian needs high capacity quick change clips. I hunted just fine for many years with a bolt action model 70 chambered for 30-06. If you are such a shit shot you need multiple high capacity clips then you shouldn't be hunting at all.

FortWayne says

You are gullible if you think any law will stop someone who set their mind on committing a murder.

No one ever said that, nice straw man. What could be done is make sending back round information mandatory, updating and modernizing the database, and requiring a back round check for all gun sales. Criminals can only get guns if some where along the line some legitimate gun owner sold a gun to some one who could not pass a back round check. Either through a private sale or straw buyer.

zzyzzx says

Defending yourself with a handgun, take a lot of practice. People don't want to do that. It's simply much easier to defend yourself with a gun that can spray bullets indiscriminately everywhere.

Bullshit. If you want to defend yourself nothing beats a short barrel 12 gauge. Cheap too.

anon_cf6c6 says

ONG, please just STOP this B.S. Liberal narrative!!

There are over 20,000 - 30,000 EXISTING gun laws on the books. Killing people is a felony. Criminals break those thousands of laws daily, that' why they're called "criminals".

Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws on the books, yet it's the BIGGEST killing field in the country... Explain that?

Exactly. Why do we need murder laws anyway???!!!?? Murderers obviously don't follow the laws anyway!! That's why they're murderers!!!!!

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Because he was never charged and convicted or forcibly hospitalized by the Authorities in the 30-something encounters they had with him.

Had he been, he wouldn't have been able to pass the background check.

More reason to deny gun license to someone on anti-depressant medication.

anon_8f378 says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Because he was never charged and convicted or forcibly hospitalized by the Authorities in the 30-something encounters they had with him.

Had he been, he wouldn't have been able to pass the background check.

More reason to deny gun license to someone on anti-depressant medication.

Exactly, so why didn't social services, who was treating him report his drug use?

Why didn't the cops, who went to his house over 30 times did deeper into his situation and report it?

Why didn't the schools he was expelled from have a investigation done?

Why didn't the FBI, who had TWO reports that he was going to kill, fail to follow up?

Why didn't anyone reading all his social media posts push for an investigation?

There were more red flags then would fit in a dump truck.

Any one of those would have put a mark on his record, but the authorities didn't do their job.

But, we need to ban AR-15s "Assault weapons", that will fix that problem, right?