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anon_cf6c6 says

How many other shootings took place after people knew the shooter was trouble and did nothing?

It's missing a final square: Blame Guns!

anon_cf6c6 says

Talking points but no solid workable realistic solutions.

It's not practical to require background checks at gun shows?

It's not practical to keep mentally ill people from getting guns?

Somehow other countries can do it.

Why are you repeating the same crap, over and over, when it's already been answered multiple times?

LeonDurham says

It's not practical to require background checks at gun shows?

Gun show background checks go on ALL the time. Just stop with the BS Liberal talking point.

LeonDurham says

It's not practical to keep mentally ill people from getting guns?

Ahh, geez, another one.... Go read the Federal 4473 transaction form. This has been repeated over and over, yet you're still repost the same BS.

Why?

Tatty/Joey/happygilmore/cajunsteve/LeonDurham, it can only be one thing, you're just trolling at this point.

Government should not dictate needs.

LeonDurham says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Killing intruders, deer, and target shooting as well.

It's like saying cars should be banned because their only purpose is to run over people.

If someone needs an AR-15 to hunt deer, they should probably get a new hobby.

Let's get real here.

Deer are fast.
Myopia is real.
Libbies need to stop dictating the terms of their surrender...

LeonDurham says

If someone needs an AR-15 to hunt deer, they should probably get a new hobby.

Sniper says

Gun show background checks go on ALL the time.

So that's why it's called the gun show loophole. Because gun show background check go on ALL the time. I'm so glad that point was cleared up. ROFLOL.

Even if gun retards were to be intellectually honest for a nanosecond they'd admit that no ban on 2A rights is worth saving the lives of children. Here's the thought experiment:

If a BAN on some firearms led to an absolute eradication of mass killings in America would you or would you not vote against it? See, they'll either beg the question, like Cucked Cunts or they'll run away and resume the stupid argument that perfection is necessary. OK, Cunt Cucks: prison sentences don't stop bank robbery, therefore MAKE BANK ROBBERY LEGAL.

Morons.

anon_46fb4 says

Even if gun retards were to be intellectually honest for a nanosecond they'd admit that no ban on 2A rights is worth saving the lives of children. Here's the thought experiment:

If a BAN on some firearms led to an absolute eradication of mass killings in America would you or would you not vote against it? See, they'll either beg the question, like Cucked Cunts or they'll run away and resume the stupid argument that perfection is necessary. OK, Cunt Cucks: prison sentences don't stop bank robbery, therefore MAKE BANK ROBBERY LEGAL.

Morons.

The real morons are the idiots who create straw man hypotheticals that distorts the facts. The facts are Guns don't kill. Some people are killers. Here's a thought experiment, if putting all murderers to death eradicated murder, would you execute the murderers or let them live?

anon_46fb4 says

If a BAN on some firearms led to an absolute eradication of mass killings in America would you or would you not vote against it? See, they'll either beg the question, like Cucked Cunts or they'll run away and resume the stupid argument that perfection is necessary. OK, Cunt Cucks: prison sentences don't stop bank robbery, therefore MAKE BANK ROBBERY LEGAL.

Is that English?

bob2356 says

So that's why it's called the gun show loophole.

A gun show "loophole" is another one of those Libbie, made up terms, just like "assault weapons". A FAKE term used to fire up their base with inaccurate facts.

Can you please post a link to any of the current firearm manufacturers site showing the page with the "Assault Weapon" model? I'd like to buy one.

LeonDurham says

And they have automatic badges. Everyone doesn't check in with a security guard.

But if you don't have a badge, the guard doesn't let you pass. And insists you get a visitor badge or register a book or otherwise identify yourself. C'mon, this is obtuse now.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

But if you don't have a badge, the guard doesn't let you pass. And insists you get a visitor badge or register a book or otherwise identify yourself. C'mon, this is obtuse now.

Agreed. It is obtuse. Are you going to give every parent a badge then? And every kid?

anon_8f378 says

Agreed. It is obtuse. Are you going to give every parent a badge then? And every kid?

Every employee at most 3100+ facilities has a badge, what's the problem? Badge wearing to gain access to buildings is done all over the USA Millions and Millions of Times a day.

Stop acting like it's some wild new solution; it's ubiquitous.

Remember, one dead kid is too many, right?

Obtuse is when you want to begin an entire new process to register gun owners on top of the background checks already in place, but you resist a basic, common, everyday checkpoint at a school. The same checkpoints that are found at most similar sized facilities, public or private, around the country. So many than badge scanners and badge makers have multiple competing companies fighting each other for market share.

surround all schools with the retired and elderly looking for additional income.
no way in without passing one of these.
they all have their medic alert buttons to signal danger.
if the perp trys to shoot his way in, well they were going to go soon anyway...

anon_8f378 says

Agreed. It is obtuse. Are you going to give every parent a badge then? And every kid?

We need more TEACHERS! Thousands of them at $50k+/year!
We need to double spending in our SCHOOLS! Nothing too good for our Kids!
Increase the pensions! Increase the training budget! We need more Admins of Welcoming Diversity! Fund our schools, Evil Republicans!

"How about a security guard at the entrance?"

NOOOOO! That would cost ZILLIONS! Just add extra layers of bureaucracy to buy a gun, or better yet, Ban Semi-Auto Rifles!

BayArea says

Should anti-depressant prescription disqualify you from gun ownership?

Probably. One thing is for certain, alcohol possession a/o consumption should definitely disqualify anyone from purchasing/possessing/owning a gun(s).

We should also revisit Alcohol Prohibition

TwoScoopsPlissken says

We need more TEACHERS! Thousands of them at $50k+/year!
We need to double spending in our SCHOOLS! Nothing too good for our Kids!
Increase the pensions! Increase the training budget! We need more Admins of Welcoming Diversity! Fund our schools, Evil Republicans!

"How about a security guard at the entrance?"

NOOOOO! That would cost ZILLIONS! Just add extra layers of bureaucracy to buy a gun, or better yet, Ban Semi-Auto Rifles!

I for one don’t thing a Security Guard is going to deter, let alone stop these types of mass murders from happening.

I have a much better, simpler, cost effective solution.

Raze all the schools in this country, sell the School Buses off to foreign countries, and make Public Education something we do from home on our Government Internet.

Game.Set.Match

Fin

errc says

Raze all the schools in this country, sell the School Buses off to foreign countries, and make Public Education something we do from home on our Government Internet.

Excellent. But the Teachers would flip the fuck out.

anon_e96ec says

anon_46fb4 says

Even if gun retards were to be intellectually honest for a nanosecond they'd admit that no ban on 2A rights is worth saving the lives of children. Here's the thought experiment:

If a BAN on some firearms led to an absolute eradication of mass killings in America would you or would you not vote against it? See, they'll either beg the question, like Cucked Cunts or they'll run away and resume the stupid argument that perfection is necessary. OK, Cunt Cucks: prison sentences don't stop bank robbery, therefore MAKE BANK ROBBERY LEGAL.

Morons.

The real morons are the idiots who create straw man hypotheticals that distorts the facts. The facts are Guns don't kill. Some people are killers. Here's a thought experiment, if putting all murderers to death eradicated murder, would you execute the murderers or let them live?

Yup. So now, admit that saving everyone from mass killings still wouldn't convince the gun retards to mitigate their rights to shoot things. Saving children just doesn't matter enough. Proved! Case Closed!!

Retarded morons!!

errc says

I for one don’t thing a Security Guard is going to deter, let alone stop these types of mass murders from happening.

Do we see as many mass shootings at sports arenas, concerts, political rallys, airports, police stations, government buildings, etc.

Why have these mass shootings been at schools, churches, theaters, nightclubs and malls?

anon_6b979 says

Yup. So now, admit that saving everyone from mass killings still wouldn't convince the gun retards to mitigate their rights to shoot things. Saving children just doesn't matter enough. Proved! Case Closed!!

Wow, judge jury and executioner at once anon_6b979, based on 0 facts, but on lots of emotions. That is ultra left wing, good job.

If you guys gonna ban something, ban the left. They create divisive rhetoric that leads to crime and murder. We could save thousands of lives instantly if we just banned left wing media, so we could be a united nation.

anon_46fb4 says

If a BAN on some firearms led to an absolute eradication of mass killings in America would you or would you not vote against it?

If.IF.
If a BAN on cars would prevent traffic deaths would you ride the bus?

Sniper says

errc says

I for one don’t thing a Security Guard is going to deter, let alone stop these types of mass murders from happening.

Do we see as many mass shootings at sports arenas, concerts, political rallys, airports, police stations, government buildings, etc.

Why have these mass shootings been at schools, churches, theaters, nightclubs and malls?

Presumably because they’re being committed by children/students, and the schools are the institutions they most commonly attend

TwoScoopsPlissken says

We need more TEACHERS! Thousands of them at $50k+/year!
We need to double spending in our SCHOOLS! Nothing too good for our Kids!
Increase the pensions! Increase the training budget! We need more Admins of Welcoming Diversity! Fund our schools, Evil Republicans!

"How about a security guard at the entrance?"

NOOOOO! That would cost ZILLIONS! Just add extra layers of bureaucracy to buy a gun, or better yet, Ban Semi-Auto Rifles!

This is why it's impossible to have an honest discussion. One side wants nothing to do with it.

Strawman after strawman is all you get.

And it's why no real solutions can ever be implemented. One side doesn't want solutions.

errc says

Presumably because they’re being committed by children/students, and the schools are the institutions they most commonly attend

Wrong answer, as all the mass shootings were committed by adults, since children can't purchase firearms.

Sniper says

errc says

Presumably because they’re being committed by children/students, and the schools are the institutions they most commonly attend

Wrong answer, as all the mass shootings were committed by adults, since children can't purchase firearms.

All the school shootings were committed by adults?

That seems to be at odds with reality, because in reality, almost every single school shooting was carried out by children.

Outside of the lone instance that happened in my town, where a right wing Christian gun nut retard murdered the Amish kids at their small school in Gap, PA.

But I guess that was the liberals fault for not having armed militia surrounding the one room school house in Amish Country

anon_8f378 says

This is why it's impossible to have an honest discussion. One side wants nothing to do with it.

Agreed. One side entirely dismisses the fact the school of 3100+ people had absolutely no checks to stop strangers from entering at a whim, that the perp encountered authorities 39 times, plus was expelled, plus was put on Meds, was identified at least once in the past few weeks for making violent threats, placed on a no-admittance list yet there was no security on site to enforce that list, and thus NOTHING was done, while the LEOs and School Officials dishonestly claim "There was nothing we could have done". Mendacious to the Max.

They instead want to pursue the politically difficult and constitutionally troublesome path of reducing access to guns for all, instead of having at least rudimentary security at huge school campuses or revisiting forcible hospitalization.

They don't even want to discuss those factors, and go straight for firearms.

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

jazz_music says

Psychotropic prescription industry is closer to a thing that can be identified as a cause than availability of guns.

Guns make it worse, so could bombs too.

Bombs can be made from things very hard to control. If you control guns you might start seeing more bombings.

SSRI’s and over prescription are a symptom, not the cause.

The problem there is malnutrition, which our anti-science right wing government has thrusted upon the unquestioning for decades. Beginning Prohibition of Hemp/Cannabis ~ a century ago (humans have always survived alongside the plants they live amongst as medicine. The Endocannabinoid system is proof that humans have evolved to use Cannabis as medicine). The Food Pyramid doubled down on the movement to profit and thrive from keeping Americans sick and stupid (ten + servings of breads and cereals per day! Wtf!!) War on Drugs alongside a thriving Big Pharma exasperated these problems. People don’t even own their bodies anymore, the Right Wing Christian Government has worked hard to keep them Sick and Stupid because they make for easy votes as sheeple.

The concept of taking a pill to remedy whatever illness one has been marketed and drowned in advertisements to believe they need, is at the heart of this issue. Are Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors dangerous and unhealthy? Quite possibly, even likely, but which pill sold by American Pharmaceutical Corps isn’t?

It’s the attitude that you can somehow not understand how your body works, how to properly fuel it, and just limp in to the doc when you break down that is so pervasive these days, that is causing people not to be well.

It’s no coincidence that Healthcare costs have spiraled out of control, at the same time that Science has illustrated all the health and wellness benefits of a proper diet, and The vast utility of the Magical Cannabis plant and it’s flowers. Them damn Liberals keep fighting against the Republicans to give you the freedom to find out for yourself. The Left has ruined everything. Blame the Liberals lol

Liberty is bad!
Anti-Fascist is bad!

God is good!

MAGA GOOGOO GAGA!!

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

I remember when the halfwit Christian Right wing teachers at my junior high brought my mom in for a meeting about how they felt I should be put on Ritalin (90’s adderrall for kids). I’ve never seen her be anything but nice, except in that meeting, she was vehemently opposed. And she had some words for those fucking morons and their opinion on drugging her offspring. Something to the effect of their feelings being hurt, or egos bruised, when a child is more intelligent than them and as teachers they didn’t know how to react.

Good for her. She wound up homeschooling my two youngest siblings.

Ridalin isnt even a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, rather i think it’s basically just medical grade Crystal Meth for kids.

And I'm on board with limiting SSRI use. That should definitely be part of the solution.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

One side entirely dismisses the fact the school of 3100+ people had absolutely no checks to stop strangers from entering at a whim

Thanks for proving my point. That is another pure lie. Not a half lie, or misrepresentation. Just a bald faced lie.

It's just no use as every discussion turns into a fact check.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?

Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?

These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.

errc says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?

Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?

These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.

Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.

FortWayne says

errc says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?

Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?

These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.

Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.

If you go to a restaurant, they serve you a bad taco and it kills you, is it your fault or is the restaurant liable?

If gun I bought, walked out on it’s own and shot someone than I could see your point.
errc says

FortWayne says

errc says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?

Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?

These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.

Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer...

Approaching 200 comments and not one person attempted a cost benefit analysis, even though it is the topic of the thread.

Capitalism is dead, and us Capitalists are a dying breed

You are putting a price on a life?

I’m a parent, and want kids safe too. But I don’t agree with the approach Democrats are taking, because it’s not to solve a problem, but to attack 2nd amendment and Republicans.

errc says

Approaching 200 comments and not one person attempted a cost benefit analysis, even though it is the topic of the thread.

Capitalism is dead, and us Capitalists are a dying breed

anon_8f378 says

Thanks for proving my point. That is another pure lie. Not a half lie, or misrepresentation. Just a bald faced lie.

Yep, anybody who claims that there was even rudimentary, basic security and Cruz had to pass through before he entered the campus and/or building and identify himself is telling a Pure Lie.

Not a half lie, or misrepresentation. Just a bald faced lie.

"Besides having NO barriers to entry for visitors, what else could we have done?"

He entered the campus by car and
www.youtube.com/embed/jrwjiO1MCVs

"He walked right through the door."