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The school wasn't locked down
Of course it was. You can't keep it locked down when kids enter and exit. That's the point.
I don't understand. When I was a kid, we had to wait until all the safety crossing guards were deployed before they let us out the door. All by walkie-talkies back pre-cell phone era, when only Drug Dealers and Executives had beepers and car phones.
he SRO is NOT a dedicated security guard posted at the entrance. He will be breaking up fights, looking for kids sneaking out of the building, pursuing truants, meeting with parents etc. Security means a person at the door at all times. The SRO may not have even been on the campus. This kid was KNOWN to the admins and staff.
So, what do you propose. Having a SWAT team clear the campus every day before and after school?
? The article made my point, you can't lock the place down all the time and you can't lock it during a fire alarm. That is a big hole without a clear solution. It would have helped if the community officer were there, I read that he may not have been on campus, that is an issue. That may be THE issue.
Remind me how the security guard at Mandalay Bay did?
Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day, or we can simply make it more impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.
I agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
So, what do you propose. Having a SWAT team clear the campus every day before and after school?
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer? First off, the AR15 can't really be concealed. In my scenario it is better than 50/50 that the officer would win, or at least the gunfight outside might have prompted a different response. The whole thing would have played out differently, including not being able to activate the fire alarm.
Because the security guard would likely be flirting with one of the secretaries or talking to a student or playing candy crush when the assault rifle toting murderer came up on him. The element of surprise would be squarely on the side of the kid.
Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day,
This is dumbassery
Because the security guard would likely be flirting with one of the secretaries or talking to a student or playing candy crush when the assault rifle toting murderer came up on him. The element of surprise would be squarely on the side of the kid.
Here's what would have happened if they had one gatehouse at the entrance to the campus.
Kid drives up in an Uber. Guard gets the Kid's name, looks him up, he's on a list because the school already put out a warning he was not to enter and was expelled.
You've just prevented a mass shooting.
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tatty/joeyjoey/happygilmore now CajunSteve, why do you keep signing up NEW profiles here? This new one was just signed up today?
@Patrick
I believe comment 99 is against your rules
lol--so every parent who comes to pick up their child has to be cleared by a security guard?
CajunSteve saysI agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer?
CajunSteve saysI agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer?
CajunSteve saysI agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer?
or we can simply make it impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.
TwoScoopsPlissken says
Most schools have one main entrance that is open. The rest are emergency doors that are locked from the outside and sound an alarm if pushed from the inside. Every school I went to was this way.
Why don't we just lock the main door too then? And any visitor must get buzzed in?
What if an armed and trained security guard was in the hallway and he knew they were there? Any chance the outcome might have changed when the guard heard him shooting his way in?
First, I am not anti gun or liberal, but facts is facts. Australia is averaging 1 out of 100,000 deaths from homicide. The USA, depending on what numbers you can find are between 3 and 5 per hundred thousand.
Snopes classifies the claim that banning guns in Australia led to higher crime rates as false.
https://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
Sure. Idaho has 1.9 murders per 100k, with the 3rd highest rate of gun ownership. Washington DC has 26 murders per 100k. Ask yourself what the difference is between those places.
Then do the same comparison between the US and Australia. (Hint: it's not guns, it's culture.)
Sandy Hook had the doors locked and Adam Lanza shot his way in.
What if an armed and trained security guard was in the hallway and he knew they were there? Any chance the outcome might have changed when the guard heard him shooting his way in?
Last time I went to a hospital in rural Florida. A few hundred patients, faculty and staff, tops. Obviously, mostly adults.
No getting past reception without having your picture taken, your Driver's License copied, and your name, DL# and photo on a visitor badge.
This school was a facility with a population several times larger.
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High school kids have ~50 years of unrealized labor potential, at a ballpark of 50k per year.
2,500,000 x 17 = $42,500,000 in lost potential wages
17 families will now have to bury a child. Average cost of funeral service 10k = $170,000
Let’s say on average 50 people attend each funeral, so they have to take a day or two of unpaid bereavement leave.
850 people x $500 in lost wages= $425,000 in lost wages
It’s not cheap to travel with no notice for planning, so we’ll use an average $1,000 per person = $850,000
100’s maybe 1,000s of survivors will now suffer from PTSD, which is hard to calculate costs but easily into the millions = $100,000,000- $1,000,000,000
So we’re already potentially north of 1 billion dollars in costs, without even beginning to consider all the ancillary costs to come, so we can pause and move over to the benefit side of the analysis.
Benefits
A gun manufacturer made a sale of ~1,000 which netted them a hundred or two in profits.
So who gets stuck with the tab for another gun nut taking his lame hobby of target practice to the local high school?
Oddly, not the gun maker. Because your halfwit Republican Government says that the gun worked as intended, to turn teenagers into bloody chunks.