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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   283,865 views  1,426 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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1386   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2024 Oct 9, 7:31pm  

Patrick says

Looks like Mexico or Central America.


They sound like they are from San Antonio.
1391   Patrick   2024 Oct 15, 7:25pm  

https://nitter.poast.org/SteveLovesAmmo/status/1845204211362828790


This chick in a dress has better shotgun skills than Tim Walz.



1400   Patrick   2024 Nov 4, 8:04pm  

https://jpfo.org/articles-2024/us-firearms-per-capita-and.htm


U.S. Firearms per Capita and Homicide Rates. No Correlation



A linchpin of the argument of those who favor a disarmed population is the assumption of "More Guns = More Crime". It was succinctly stated as an assumption in a recent paper. (one source is referenced) Psychopathy, Gun Carrying, and Firearm Violence:

Carrying guns increases the risk of injury and death...

This is a hotly disputed assumption. There are several papers which dispute the premise. If carrying guns does not increase the risk of injury and death, the pragmatic argument for strict restrictions on gun ownership and use collapses. There is some evidence, if guns are restricted in a draconian manner, homicides with guns may be reduced. Overall homicides are not reduced.

If the substitution of other methods results in the same or more homicides, or if firearms are used to prevent homicides as well as facilitate them, the argument to restrict gun ownership is not viable.
1401   RWSGFY   2024 Nov 5, 7:27am  

The_Deplorable says






As if somebody would get into shootout with popos over an illegal squirrel, lol.

Memes are very effective ... at dumbing down the issue.
1406   RWSGFY   2024 Nov 10, 11:32am  

The_Deplorable says






Tell me you'd go for guns if popo was trying to confiscate your illegal pet. I'll ROTFLMAO.
1407   Misc   2024 Nov 10, 11:41am  

Just get a posse together and go hunting down the perps for cruelty to animals.
1416   Ceffer   2024 Dec 2, 3:52pm  

Booger says






Depends on what one does with the muzzle in one's spare time. Just like, there is no knob stick shift that has not lost its virginity.
1419   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 Dec 8, 4:43pm  

The_Deplorable says






watching Syria, i see where guns went.
1421   Eric Holder   2024 Dec 10, 12:23pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

The_Deplorable says







watching Syria, i see where guns went.


That covers 10% at best. Where did the rest go?
1422   zzyzzx   2024 Dec 11, 10:58am  

Another reason why I should be allowed to own a Gatling gun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXs3vJt129M
1423   RWSGFY   2024 Dec 11, 11:08am  

zzyzzx says


Another reason why I should be allowed to own a Gatling gun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXs3vJt129M


Gatling guns are perfectly legal as long as they are not motorized. You can own one today even in CA.
1424   zzyzzx   2024 Dec 11, 11:09am  

Another video where they are using a 50 cal belt to hunt hogs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOt1HLXNRFE
1425   RWSGFY   2024 Dec 11, 11:16am  

zzyzzx says

Another video where they are using a 50 cal belt to hunt hogs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOt1HLXNRFE


Nice, but that ammo is like $4 per round. Ouch.

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