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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   261,577 views  1,326 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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353   RWSGFY   2019 Oct 20, 8:39am  

Booger says


What's funny, the above is not a machine gun per legal definition.
354   rocketjoe79   2019 Oct 21, 8:11am  

The wildly successful Venezuelan model of socialism.
357   Booger   2019 Dec 24, 2:24pm  

Banning modern semi-auto firearms will NOT stop the killing. Instead guns are either a) smuggled in, b) illegally made, c) stolen from law enforcement and military. Mexico is prime example of a and c. Australia and UK are a and b. Anyone can make handguns and simple sub machine guns from online plans. No special skill or parts required. Look up Luty guns and expedient firearms.
359   Bd6r   2019 Dec 24, 2:38pm  

Any of you coming to South Texas should try this:

https://www.drivetanks.com/packages/

361   Booger   2020 Jan 1, 7:05am  

https://nationalfile.com/new-york-un-office-recruits-paramilitary-troops-for-disarmament-and-reintegration-of-us-civilians/

New York UN Office Recruits Paramilitary Troops for ‘Disarmament’ and ‘Reintegration’ of US Civilians
362   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jan 1, 12:46pm  

Opinion: Jack Wilson is exactly the type of person you want around with a gun because he's a firearms instructor. But we know nothing about the at least six other parishioners who also appeared to draw their handguns. And that's terrifying. https://t.co/od0vfGftjU

— USA TODAY (@USATODAY) January 1, 2020


Also Left:
http://aworldwithoutpolice.org/
363   SoTex   2020 Jan 1, 2:28pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Also Left:
http://aworldwithoutpolice.org/


All those fuck faces blocking traffic. Looks like the SF bay bridge heading to Oakland.

Man I'm glad I moved away from that shithole area.
365   SunnyvaleCA   2020 Jan 2, 3:14pm  

The last time someone asked about my thoughts on gun control I simply recommended using both hands for better control. Can't really argue with that!
366   Bd6r   2020 Jan 2, 5:11pm  

NoCoupForYou says

Opinion: Jack Wilson is exactly the type of person you want around with a gun because he's a firearms instructor. But we know nothing about the at least six other parishioners who also appeared to draw their handguns. And that's terrifying. https://t.co/od0vfGftjU

— USA TODAY (@USATODAY) January 1, 2020


Also Left:
http://aworldwithoutpolice.org/

Fucking idiot who wrote the article should be waterboarded as a minimum. First, Kinnunen was let off a few times before for violent crimes. Why this is not discussed in article? Imprisonment of the shooter would have saved several lives, incl his own. Second, we do know that six other parishioners drawing guns have undergone training required by state of Texas. Fuck journalists - their bias and stupiduty know no bounds
368   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jan 4, 7:27am  

rd6B says
Fuck journalists - their bias and stupiduty know no bounds


371   RWSGFY   2020 Jan 19, 9:51am  

Booger says


Ha, it's even more ridiculous than that: in order to make AR-15 into "non-assault-rifle" configuration all you need to do is to remove the flash hider, replace rear pistol grip with a slightly more raked one and pin the collapsible stock in the extended position. Done.
374   Booger   2020 Apr 10, 4:20pm  

Virus-Panicked Liberal Gun Buyers Are Getting Angry When They Discover Their Own Gun Control Laws

https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2020/04/10/815520/
375   Bd6r   2020 Apr 10, 6:16pm  

jazz_music says
Policy is that any armed citizens are immediately expendable

Either be killed, or exiled to Siberia, or fight and preserve your dignity while slowing down forceful Russification: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_partisans
376   Onvacation   2020 Apr 10, 6:31pm  

jazz_music says

Can you fit the wooden gun with a laser dual handles, bumpstock, and 200 round magazine drums?

That would be cool!
377   Bd6r   2020 Apr 10, 7:45pm  

Onvacation says
jazz_music says

Can you fit the wooden gun with a laser dual handles, bumpstock, and 200 round magazine drums?

That would be cool!


I think it is possible
378   RWSGFY   2020 Apr 10, 8:41pm  

jazz_music says
laser dual handles


WTF is "laser dual handles"?
379   RWSGFY   2020 Apr 10, 8:52pm  

jazz_music says
bumpstock, and 200 round magazine drums


Most useless shit in the world. Why would you want it?
380   HeadSet   2020 Apr 11, 8:24am  

In Virginia, we had two mass shooting in the last few years, 32 killed at VA Tech and 12 killed at a Virginia Beach city building. Both were done with pistols by minority males.

Overwhelmingly, gun deaths in VA are from pistols and shot guns, with 2/3 of those deaths being suicides. Also, the vast majority of gun homicides is black-on-black using handguns. Homicides by rifles of all types is only 4%.

So what does the newly majority Dems in Va do? Push a ban on "assault weapons." Gov Blackface even came out and said he did not want gun control legislation to deal too harshly with hand gun violence, as that would have a "disparate impact on people of color."
384   Patrick   2020 Jun 22, 6:45pm  

Nice tits on all the women.

But he should really aim that gun. As should the commie.
385   AD   2020 Jun 22, 8:44pm  

..

CajunSteve says
What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??


This goes beyond protecting your life, your family, and property against an Antifa style mob.

Use the Roof Koreans in the Los Angeles Riots of 1992 as an example of the 2nd Amendment.

The LA Police pulled out of Koreantown to reinforce their protection of the white liberal neighborhoods of Bel Air, Beverly Hills, etc.

Koreantown was left on its own.

Without being armed, how do you all think Koreantown would have fared ?
...
387   clambo   2020 Jul 5, 11:15pm  

My friend's 15 year old eagle scout son wrote a text that a classmate (female) didn't like.

The classmate's mother called the cops, and they came and took my friend's guns. It's a process to get them back.

She recently asked me to lend her a gun because she doesn't like not having one.

I'm going to get some more ammo soon; I miss Walmart in Florida; grab a box of 9mm for $9 and go blast it.
388   RC2006   2020 Jul 6, 7:07am  


www.youtube.com/embed/tjNSvexSLoQ

Don't attack a guy with a CC.
389   clambo   2020 Jul 6, 10:25am  

That video is hectic!
390   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 6, 10:35am  

clambo says
That video is hectic!


It has everything needed for the shooter to be completely exonerated by jury of his peers: multipla attackers with blunt weapons, verbal threaths of death, etc.
391   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Jul 6, 10:39am  

The was a vision of beauty!
392   AD   2020 Jul 6, 12:10pm  

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CajunSteve says
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


If there was a requirement to serve in the "militia", then why state that someone has a right to keep and bear arms. Would it not be a requirement to keep arms ? And why would they have to put in a section on not being infringed since having a militia means automatically the responsibility of being able to keep and bear arms to serve in the militia.

Let alone the 2nd Amendment is presented as being in the "individual" rights section of the Constitution, not the "militia" or "collective responsibility" (ie.., pay your taxes, etc) section.

Not sure if today's "militia" that wears a uniform with the tag "US Army" or "US Air Force" (ie., national guards) is considered a "militia" in the same context as national guard members do not have to maintain their weapons at home.

The US Navy is identified in the Constitution. There is no mention in there about their members (i.e., Marines) having a right to keep and bear arms like a musket or pistol. Why not ?

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