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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   259,861 views  1,325 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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513   RWSGFY   2021 Jun 27, 3:10pm  

Rb6d says
Yugoslavian SKS versions have a grenade launcher, and can be bought in most of US of A perfectly legally:


Right, but where are you going to get Comblock rifle grenades for it?
514   thenuttyneutron   2021 Jun 27, 3:13pm  

FuckCCP89 says
Rb6d says
Yugoslavian SKS versions have a grenade launcher, and can be bought in most of US of A perfectly legally:


Right, but where are you going to get Comblock rifle grenades for it?


They use standard NATO grenades. You can buy dummy practice grenades. You just need to make sure that you get the "blanks" that are used to launch them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SKS/comments/jdqyrc/yugo_sks_dummy_grenade/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_mm_grenade

I don't know why they went with the NATO grenade standard.
515   Booger   2021 Jun 27, 3:16pm  

FuckCCP89 says
Right, but where are you going to get Comblock rifle grenades for it?


Sweden.
516   Bd6r   2021 Jun 27, 9:41pm  

Booger says
Sweden.

he-he...lets prohibit grenades and have no-grenade zones in Malmo
517   SoTex   2021 Jun 27, 10:01pm  

Rb6d says
I like the wood stock..I am transitioning to being an old fart.


I was maybe 22-23...
518   Patrick   2021 Jun 29, 5:16pm  

http://jpfo.org/smith/smith-why-have-to-be-guns.htm

Make no mistake: all politicians—even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership—hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it’s an X-ray machine. It’s a Vulcan mind-meld. It’s the ultimate test to which any politician—or political philosophy—can be put.

If a politician isn’t perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash—for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn’t your friend no matter what he tells you. ...

What his attitude—toward your ownership and use of weapons—conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn’t trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

If he doesn’t want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

If he makes excuses about obeying a law he’s sworn to uphold and defend—the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights—do you want to entrust him with anything?

If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil—like "Constitutionalist"—when you insist that he account for himself, hasn’t he betrayed his oath, isn’t he unfit to hold office, and doesn’t he really belong in jail?

Sure, these are all leading questions. They’re the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician—or political philosophy—is really made of. ...

And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along. ...

Makes voting simpler, doesn’t it? You don’t have to study every issue—health care, international trade—all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.


This is a new idea for me, that just about anyone should be able to walk into a hardware store, buy a gun with cash and no ID, and walk out. Pretty sure I don't want psychos doing that, but otoh, the limits on psychos end up turning into limits on anyone who opposes the corporate-liberal Ivy League elite.

It's also a new idea to me that you can judge all politicians on this single issue. Maybe you can in fact, because it really is about whether your political representatives trust you. If they don't trust you, why should you trust them?
519   richwicks   2021 Jun 29, 5:33pm  

Patrick says
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/supreme-court-shuts-down-police-attempts-search-homes-without-warrant

The Supreme Court on Monday shut down a police attempt to enter homes without a warrant, siding against the Biden administration.

The court, in a unanimous decision, found that police, using the "community caretaking" exception to the Fourth Amendment's prohibitions on unreasonable searches and seizures, were not allowed to enter a Rhode Island man's home and take his guns. Justice Clarence Thomas wrote the court's opinion, saying that police had violated the "very core of the Fourth Amendment."


When's the last time the court didn't have a unanimous decision?
520   PeopleUnited   2021 Jun 29, 6:15pm  

Patrick says
If a politician isn’t perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash—for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn’t your friend no matter what he tells you. ...


This is the no bullshit version of honesty. In fact I once asked a Republican candidate for governor what he would do to support the second amendment and the asshole basically blew me and the question off claiming it is a federal not a state issue. Fuck that asshole. If it isn’t a state issue then why the fuck does every state have its own gun laws?

I think your post here Patrick is very important, if a politician refuses to let people freely exercise their second amendment right, it is only a matter of time before other rights are infringed or stolen away from you (in the name of safety and for the children’s sake of course).
521   Bd6r   2021 Jun 29, 8:05pm  

Patrick says
This is a new idea for me, that just about anyone should be able to walk into a hardware store, buy a gun with cash and no ID, and walk out. Pretty sure I don't want psychos doing that, but otoh, the limits on psychos end up turning into limits on anyone who opposes the corporate-liberal Ivy League elite.

It's also a new idea to me that you can judge all politicians on this single issue.

You can bring your guns into Texas House and Senate, provided that you have concealed carry permit.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/gun-permit-allows-visitors-quick-access-to-texas-capitol
524   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2021 Jul 4, 5:54pm  

PeopleUnited says
Patrick says
If a politician isn’t perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash—for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn’t your friend no matter what he tells you. ...


This is the no bullshit version of honesty. In fact I once asked a Republican candidate for governor what he would do to support the second amendment and the asshole basically blew me and the question off claiming it is a federal not a state issue. Fuck that asshole. If it isn’t a state issue then why the fuck does every state have its own gun laws?

I think your post here Patrick is very important, if a politician refuses to let people freely exercise their second amendment right, it is only a matter of time before other rights are infringed or stolen ...


It’s what I learned long ago too about politicians. They are whores for sale or actors for establishment with no principles. Party is irrelevant.
525   Patrick   2021 Jul 6, 1:41pm  

Star Spangled Banner set to gunfire. It's an ad for a coffee company, but OK, well done.


527   Hircus   2021 Jul 6, 2:19pm  

Booger says
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/huge-economic-boost-new-west-virginian-now-makes-gun-and-ammo-purchases-tax-free


Awesome.

I kinda wish it was done by a state deeper in the south though. If there's ever a civil war, WV being so northern might be harder to defend, and would be a prize target if it develops extensive arms manufacturing capacity.
528   RC2006   2021 Jul 6, 5:46pm  

People are still buying like crazy, states seem to be moving further apart. Do any of you ever think things might just collapse really fast like Soviet Union? Liberal states can't even afford to throw their criminal hordes in jail.
529   Eric Holder   2021 Jul 6, 6:01pm  

RC2006 says
Liberal states can't even afford to throw their criminal hordes in jail.


Who said they can't afford that? If they can afford to spend $139M to silly things like "provide funding for community-led efforts to prevent and respond to shootings" (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/06/nyregion/new-york-gun-violence-emergency.html) , they definitely could afford proper law enforcement. They just don't want to.
530   Patrick   2021 Jul 6, 6:05pm  

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2021/7/6/someone-please-hand-this-american-history-lesson-to-president-biden


The evidence is clear that ordinary citizens could and did buy cannons; in fact, many Americans own cannons today. ...

You do not own a cannon? Why not? When I lived in the Bay Area of California, a friend was a Civil War Reenactor. He often towed a 4-inch cannon to events. Police would sometimes pull him over, ostensibly to see if he had license for it, but mostly out of curiosity. (Yes, think of the scene in The Mask where police pull a bazooka out of Jim Carrey’s pants, and his response, “I have a permit for that.”) His response was always the same: “I don’t need one. It’s black powder.” He had fired cannonballs from it at a special cannon range back east. He claimed it was accurate to 1,000 yards and capable of firing to 1,600 yards.
531   RC2006   2021 Jul 6, 6:50pm  

Cannon will be my next purchase, thanks Patrick! I'll add some accecories to it and make it an assult cannon.

http://steencannons.com/cannons/
532   Bd6r   2021 Jul 6, 6:53pm  

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/904393619

CIVIL WAR US NAVY 8" DAHLGREN CANNON ON CARRIAGE
533   ForcedTQ   2021 Jul 6, 8:05pm  

Patrick says



Or mortars, rocket launchers, and F-15s for that matter.
534   Onvacation   2021 Jul 6, 8:33pm  

Rb6d says

CIVIL WAR US NAVY 8" DAHLGREN CANNON ON CARRIAGE

When I used to live at an Oakland Marina, I had a neighbor, Gene, who was 93 years old and still lived aboard his 45 foot ketch. I always tried to help him with little electrical and mechanical issues. He rewarded me with an old Model 1913 Cavalry Sword, aka the "Patton Saber" after the famous WW2 general who designed it. He was quite the pirate as well as collector, "If I get anymore swords or cannons my boat is going to sink."
535   Onvacation   2021 Jul 6, 8:34pm  

He only shot the little one.
536   Patrick   2021 Jul 6, 9:10pm  

Rb6d says
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/904393619

CIVIL WAR US NAVY 8" DAHLGREN CANNON ON CARRIAGE


Buyer pays actual shipping costs


Could cost quite a lot to ship a cannon, lol.
537   Onvacation   2021 Jul 6, 10:44pm  

Patrick says
CIVIL WAR US NAVY 8" DAHLGREN CANNON ON CARRIAGE


Buyer pays actual shipping costs


Could cost quite a lot to ship a cannon, lol.

That one weighs over three tons.
538   Eric Holder   2021 Jul 7, 5:58pm  

RC2006 says
Cannon will be my next purchase, thanks Patrick! I'll add some accecories to it and make it an assult cannon.

http://steencannons.com/cannons/
f

This little guy could be a good BLM deterrent:



539   Eric Holder   2021 Jul 7, 6:01pm  

Onvacation says
Rb6d says

CIVIL WAR US NAVY 8" DAHLGREN CANNON ON CARRIAGE

When I used to live at an Oakland Marina, I had a neighbor, Gene, who was 93 years old and still lived aboard his 45 foot ketch. I always tried to help him with little electrical and mechanical issues. He rewarded me with an old Model 1913 Cavalry Sword, aka the "Patton Saber" after the famous WW2 general who designed it. He was quite the pirate as well as collector, "If I get anymore swords or cannons my boat is going to sink."


I actually saw a little bronze cannon mounted on a wooden sailboat out on the Bay a decade of so ago.
540   RC2006   2021 Jul 10, 10:23am  

My oldest sent me this.

https://youtu.be/pHLGeV73B5w
542   PeopleUnited   2021 Jul 14, 10:42am  

Laser sights!
543   Patrick   2021 Aug 1, 11:12am  

https://www.newsweek.com/us-sees-ongoing-spike-gun-ammo-sales-ive-never-seen-anything-like-it-1614952

U.S. Sees Ongoing Spike in Gun, Ammo Sales: 'I've Never Seen Anything Like It'
544   Booger   2021 Aug 1, 11:44am  

I assume that the recent sales are related to the Death jab?
545   Patrick   2021 Aug 1, 12:33pm  

Sure, people want to defend themselves against lethal injections by the government, but also they are worried about skyrocketing crime due to Democrat "defund the police" subversion, and Democrat attempts to negate the Second Amendment.
548   Onvacation   2021 Aug 7, 5:58pm  

Because the communists have dossiers on everyone.
549   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2021 Aug 8, 9:16am  

Onvacation says
Because the communists have dossiers on everyone.


they are making lists of people. just like nazis had lists.
550   Patrick   2021 Aug 8, 12:42pm  

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Onvacation says
Because the communists have dossiers on everyone.


they are making lists of people. just like nazis had lists.


They should remember that all Americans can make lists too - lists of the people who imposed this shit on us or who murdered their relatives. Fauci is public enemy #1, closely followed by Peter Daszak.
551   RWSGFY   2021 Aug 16, 8:57am  

KABUL, Aug 16 (Reuters) - Taliban fighters in the Afghan capital, Kabul, started collecting weapons from civilians on Monday because people no longer need them for personal protection, a Taliban official said.

"We understand people kept weapons for personal safety. They can now feel safe. We are not here to harm innocent civilians," the official told Reuters.

City resident Saad Mohseni, director of the MOBY group media company, said on Twitter that Taliban soldiers had come to his company compound to enquire about the weapons kept by his security team.


https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-afghan-capital-kabul-start-collecting-weapons-civilians-2021-08-16/

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