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MAN TRIES TO ROB PEOPLE IN A CONCEALED CARRY CLASS! HE GETS SHOT BY EVERYONE!

What was he thinking?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

I've always had a slightly different take on this than what I see people mention with regard to the militia part.

It seems to me, that the militia part is in there as the reason, and then the right follows. In other words, how can you form a militia, if the people don't have the arms to form the militia.
So the sequence isn't 1) form militia, 2) get arms for the militia.

It is 1) private citizens keep and bear arms
2) if needed, form well regulated militia to protect security of free state

If this is the case (which seems pretty clear to me), then the intent of the amendment is specifically to put "weapons of war" into the hands of the people, so they can assemble to form a militia when needed to protect the security of the free state.

And yes, that means that hand grenades, rocket launchers, automatic machine guns, tanks, artillery, cannons, and the like are within the purview of being secured by the citizens.

If it is too dangerous for a citizen to own without proper training/vetting, then that should be a liability issue on the manufacturer/dealer. If you sell a hand grenade to a 12 year old and they blow someone up, then yes, you are liable. Similarly, if you sell a hand grenade to a nutjob and they blow someone up.. yes you are liable. There can then be an insurance industry around the liability of arms. However, we shouldn't legislate the requirement for this insurance.. it should just become a natural consequence of trade and use in weapons.

Zak says

If this is the case (which seems pretty clear to me), then the intent of the amendment is specifically to put "weapons of war" into the hands of the people, so they can assemble to form a militia when needed to protect the security of the free state.

Supreme Court has confirmed this take in US v. Miller when they said that short-barreled shotguns are not protected under 2A because ... wait for it.... they have no military use!

Zak says

the intent of the amendment is specifically to put "weapons of war" into the hands of the people, so they can assemble to form a militia when needed to protect the security of the free state.

An easy check on this is to see if a private citizen was allowed to own a cannon in 1820 or so. That would have been in the time frame of the authors of the Constitution still living. Of a private citizen was allowed to own a cannon in 1820, then the intent was for private citizens to be allowed to own weapons of war.

HeadSet says

Zak says

the intent of the amendment is specifically to put "weapons of war" into the hands of the people, so they can assemble to form a militia when needed to protect the security of the free state.

An easy check on this is to see if a private citizen was allowed to own a cannon in 1820 or so. That would have been in the time frame of the authors of the Constitution still living. Of a private citizen was allowed to own a cannon in 1820, then the intent was for private citizens to be allowed to own weapons of war.

"Although the Militia Act of 1792, which largely governed state militias until the National Guard was established in 1903, outlined the common militia and how it could be called out, military historians can point to hundreds of locally raised private units that existed at the time with a myriad of uniforms, arms and, yes, even artillery, of their choosing and ownership.

During that same period, anyone with the desire and extra cash could acquire their own cannon. Indeed, as pointed out by Politifact, personally-owned ship’s cannons were used on American privateers in the War of 1812, with more than 500 letters of marque issued by President James Madison’s administration authorizing such legal piracy. Should we mention here that Madison was a Framer of the Second Amendment?

Even after privateering went out of fashion and the Dick Act largely put a downer in the appeal of large private militia units in 1903, the private purchase of artillery was by no means illegal or even regulated, in the country.



This 1927 section from the Bannerman’s Army-Navy Goods catalog had 18 Great War-era intact 78.5mm German field guns with 4,400 shells and associated fuzes for sale, ready to ship, saying “no red tape will delay our delivery.” Something the Patriots of the old Massachusetts Committee of Safety would have surely toasted. (Photo: Chris Eger)

Even in 1934, when Congress responded to media-hyped Prohibition and Depression-era outlaws such as the Dillenger gang by regulating machine guns, suppressors, short-barreled rifles, and short-barreled shotguns under the National Firearms Act, they kept artillery pieces fully legal and free to own without Uncle Sam getting involved. Ironically this meant that for three decades you could buy a functional military surplus field gun, cash-and-carry, but had to pay a $200 tax and undergo a background check process to get a .22LR suppressor.

That “loophole” was eventually closed.

It was in 1968, that the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act, introduced as H.R. 5037 by U.S. Rep. Emanuel Celler (D-NY) and signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson (D), regulated most “destructive devices” with a bore over .50-caliber. This meant that modern artillery “such as bazookas, mortars, antitank guns, and so forth” were placed under ATF restrictions in a kind of retroactive addition to the NFA. Before that time, you could buy surplus hardware such as working Boys and Lahti anti-tank rifles at local outlets, cheap.

With all that being said, modern breechloading artillery is still available in the “Land of the Free and Home of the Brave,” provided it is registered with the federal government and properly taxed. Still, legacy artillery systems like muzzleloading black powder field guns, such as Hamilton and Madison would be familiar with, do not require tax stamps.

For now, anyway."

https://www.guns.com/news/2020/06/30/biden-fails-fact-check-on-revolutionary-war-cannon-ownership

Gun sales keep surging as the threat to the Second Amendment keeps growing:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/fbi-gun-frenzy-now-in-16th-month-as-biden-seeks-ban

Eric Holder says

That “loophole” was eventually closed.

No FFL necessary. Illegal, of course, in Commiefornia where it's a "Destructive Device". Fires Bean Bags, Flares, etc. Meant to launch Tear Gas. And, your imaginaton can quickly figure out custom loads for "Gooks inside the wire".

http://www.okcrich.com/contents.php?contents=p_gaslauncher
https://www.exoticammo.com/Tac-79-37mm-Top-Break-Pistol_p_104.html

https://www.ntd.com/new-asian-american-gun-group-seeks-to-influence-democrats_615242.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

A new group for Asian American gun owners is seeking to gather liberal-minded folks to influence President Joe Biden and other Democrats.

AAPI GO, or Asian American and Pacific Islander Gun Owners, was founded by Scott Kane, a self-described classically liberal California resident who has voted for Democrats since 2004.

“It’s easy for Democrats and more liberal folks to write off the NRA and the existing gun lobby because they’re so ultra-conservative,” Kane told The Epoch Times.

“But what if there’s a liberal gun owning group out there full of people of color who just recently purchased firearms? Estimates are around something like 4 million new firearm purchases last year, a good chunk of that, according to NSSF, is from minorities, so what if we banded together to show strength in numbers and show the Biden administration that if you ban assault weapons, that’s going to disproportionately affect a good chunk of your voting base,” he added.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/supreme-court-shuts-down-police-attempts-search-homes-without-warrant

The Supreme Court on Monday shut down a police attempt to enter homes without a warrant, siding against the Biden administration.

The court, in a unanimous decision, found that police, using the "community caretaking" exception to the Fourth Amendment's prohibitions on unreasonable searches and seizures, were not allowed to enter a Rhode Island man's home and take his guns. Justice Clarence Thomas wrote the court's opinion, saying that police had violated the "very core of the Fourth Amendment."

https://notthebee.com/article/a-shooter-opened-fire-on-an-arkansas-apartment-building-and-was-put-down-by-a-good-guy-with-a-gun

An unnamed hero saved the lives of his neighbors on Saturday when an unhinged 26-year-old man began shouting for everyone to come out of an apartment complex in Fort Smith, Arkansas...

The gunman, Zachary Arnold, was reportedly a veteran with PTSD and a resident at the apartment complex. Neighbors said he was trying to lure everyone outside early in the morning and was armed with a semiautomatic rifle.

"He was yelling and screaming, 'You guys get out here, come out here, everyone get out of this building right now,'" said resident Janey Peugh.

Two elderly women heeded Arnold's cries, going outside to see what was happening. After they saw the gun, they both went back inside, but Arnold pursued 87-year-old Lois Hicks and shot her multiple times, killing her. ...

Other residents scrambled back inside as Arnold then began shooting randomly into different apartments, but one neighbor grabbed his hunting rifle and shot the perp, ending his shooting spree.

"If he didn't do that, who knows how much worse it could have gotten," said another neighbor.

It takes a lot of courage to walk into the line of fire like that to confront a serious threat. This man could have simply hid inside until police arrived, but he chose to act quickly and bravely when lives were at stake.

Eric Holder says

With all that being said, modern breechloading artillery is still available in the “Land of the Free and Home of the Brave,” provided it is registered with the federal government and properly taxed. Still, legacy artillery systems like muzzleloading black powder field guns, such as Hamilton and Madison would be familiar with, do not require tax stamps.

You can buy grenade launchers (and flare guns) legally, in most states at least.

http://www.ordnancegroup.com/37mm-launchers.html
https://mightyneatstuff.com/26_5_mm_flarepistolsandammo.html

Patrick says

one neighbor grabbed his hunting rifle and shot the perp, ending his shooting spree.

Couldn't he call social workers to deal with this mental health crisis instead?

http://jpfo.org/alerts2021/alert20210521.htm

Carey McWilliams is a gun owner, a successful small and big game hunter, with concealed carry permits for 20 years. He has been turned down for a Minnesota permit because he is blind. He has applied for a second time.

It is blatant discrimination based on a disability. It probably violates the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).

The initial thought of blind people carrying firearms causes many to do a double-take. Consider the concept more closely and you will see it makes perfect sense. Blind people do not give up their rights simply because they are blind.

Many states do not discriminate against blind people who apply for concealed carry permits. If there are states which discriminate against blind people who apply to simply own a firearm, they are few and poorly documented.

It is every American's right to keep and bear arms, as affirmed by the Second Amendment and numerous state constitutional amendments.

Carey has written books on how the blind can safely use firearms.

Everyone has limitations on how effectively and safely they can utilize weapons for self defense, hunting, or recreation. Some people cannot hold a weapon very steadily. Some cannot handle recoil. Some cannot hear well. Some do not have fast reaction times.

Some people cannot see. That does not mean they cannot use a firearm for self defense. From personal correspondence with Carry McWilliams, in May of 2021:

The second part of the 2006 Minnesota denile was the same issue they are trying to use now, namely that because of blindness I pose a danger to myslef and others do the same thing that I have done for decades now.

To this, I point out that I being blind am not subject to furtive action concerns, have to use my gun at contact ranges to insure the legal requirements of target identification and need. And for the objects beyond, unless you have x-ray vision to see through perps, always have things well-lit, never get spun around, and every bullet fired will never be deflected after being fired, Checking is really more for target shooting and or hunting. Tooler says you have seconds to check shots and aim like at the range and my legal range is pointblank and other CQC types of actions. There is also an extra safety built-in which is that my hearing is on the line, so will not shoot unless no other choice.

Well, the mountains of permits and training certificates are in the sheriff's hands for reconsideration of the denile. This should take 20 business days before a court hearing is needed. I hope that the system there will issue the permit as the over 20 years of CCW experance is far more than most CCW holders over there have.

If a public entity denies participation to a person with a disability, the ADA puts the burden on showing the person can not be accommodated on the public entity. From ada.gov:

§ 35.139 Direct threat.

(a) This part does not require a public entity to permit an individual to participate in or benefit from the services, programs, or activities of that public entity when that individual poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others.

(b) In determining whether an individual poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others, a public entity must make an individualized assessment, based on reasonable judgment that relies on current medical knowledge or on the best available objective evidence, to ascertain: the nature, duration, and severity of the risk; the probability that the potential injury will actually occur; and whether reasonable modifications of policies, practices, or procedures or the provision of auxiliary aids or services will mitigate the risk.

It seems clear to me that Carey McWilliams has shown he is very responsible with firearms, and not a threat to public safety.

Everyone has limitation when it pertains to using firearms in self defense.

Carey McWilliams limitations are different from yours or mine. It does not mean he cannot overcome them and be effective.

Legally blind people have effectively defended themselves with firearms. Just because you are blind does not mean you have given up your Constitutional rights.

I have known Carey McWilliams for a few years now. I know many other people who are not blind, who can obtain concealed carry permits. Carry ranks in the top tier for preparation, diligence, and responsibility. I wish him G-d speed in obtaining his Minnesota permit.

There are now 20 Constitutional Carry states where blind people do not need permits to exercise their Second Amendment rights.

There have not been any problems in any of them. It would be front page news if there had been.

All of us have limitations of one kind or another, be they physical, such as sight, hearing (many shooters), strength, agility, or reaction time; or mental such as memory, quickness of thought, speech, or emotional or rational intelligence.

All these limitations can be overcome.

Carey McWilliams has done an amazing job of understanding and overcoming his limitations.

https://therightscoop.com/we-wont-be-intimidated-and-yes-we-have-guns-rand-pauls-wife-drops-some-truth-bombs-on-twitter/

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/armed-school-employee-prevents-man-from-allegedly-kidnapping-juvenile-utah-girl_3835232.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

http://jpfo.org/alerts2021/alert20210528.htm

On 24 May, Monday afternoon, the last significant legislative hurdle for restoring Constitutional Carry to Texas was overcome.

After years of toil, time and trouble, of betrayal and loyalty, of primaries and resignations, a significant Constitutional Carry bill has passed the Texas Legislature and is expected to be sent to Governor Abbott.

HB1927, in its final form, passed the House 82-62, and reported privately to me, passed the Senate on a straight party line vote.

Constitutional carry is a reasonable facsimile of the state of law about the carry of weapons when the Second Amendment was ratified, in 1791. At the time, no government permits were required to carry weapons, openly or concealed, by any State or the Federal government. That situation remained the state of law for about two generations.

It is almost certain Texas will become a member of the Constitutional Carry club in 2021. It will make Texas the 21st state to join the club. There have not been any statistically significant ill effects from Constitutional Carry in any of the previous 20 states.

Shit ton of ammo in store today people buying cases. Still prices where 2x to 4x what I was paying two years ago. Been told by a few around here that ammo makers are starting to ramp up production.

Hitting gun show next weekend really curious what they look like here.

https://notthebee.com/article/armed-teacher-saves-11-year-old-girl-from-being-kidnapped-during-recess

A bad guy who was high as a kite on narcotics tried to kidnap an 11-year-old girl from the Lincoln Elementary School playground during the school day in Ogden, Utah on Tuesday.

He grabbed her by the arm and tried to drag her off to undoubtedly do unspeakably horrific things to her and maybe even murder her. The bad guy was not the girl's dad or stepdad or uncle; police could not find any connection between the two. He was just a bad guy, high on narcotics, trying to kidnap a little girl while she was playing at recess.

So, why didn't he succeed? He didn't succeed because a teacher who saw what was happening possessed two things:

Bravery
A gun on his hip

And thank God he had both!

The teacher confronted the kidnapper as he was trying to get away with the girl and was able to free her. He then instructed the 19 students who were outside at recess to immediately go inside the school.

You would think that would be the end of the story, but no ... the bad guy pursued them and began bashing on the windows, trying to force his way inside, presumably to get the little girl, or another little girl, or maybe to attack the teacher who had thwarted his kidnapping attempt.

So what does the teacher Mr. Hero do? That's right, at this point he pulled out his trusty sidearm, pointed it at the bad guy, undoubtedly said something slick to help the bad guy understand that he would peel his cap back if he tried to attack the children, and proceeded to hold the scumbag at gunpoint until police arrived.

And THAT is how it's done, folks.

So ... what if this teacher didn't have a firearm? I'll tell you what. The bad guy would have smashed his way into the school, and the teacher would've had to fight him in hand-to-hand combat. Remember, the man was high as a kite and clearly a very bad dude. The teacher's ability to knuckle up with a narcotics-fueled psycho would've been the only thing standing between said psycho and 19 children. It could've ended very, very badly.

Luckily, that didn't have to happen. It didn't end very, very badly. Because even narcotics-fueled psychos usually know to give up when they see the business end of a .40 pointed at their vital organs.

https://notthebee.com/article/a-federal-judge-just-struck-down-californias-ban-on-assault-weapons

"One is to be forgiven if one is persuaded by news media and others that the nation is awash with murderous AR-15 assault rifles. The facts, however, do not support this hyperbole, and facts matter. Federal Bureau of Investigation murder statistics do not track assault rifles, but they do show that killing by knife attack is far more common than murder by any kind of rifle. In California, murder by knife occurs seven times more often than murder by rifle. For example, according to F.B.I. statistics for 2019, California saw 252 people murdered with a knife, while 34 people were killed with some type of rifle – not necessarily an AR-15. A Californian is three times more likely to be murdered by an attacker's bare hands, fists, or feet, than by his rifle. In 2018, the statistics were even more lopsided as California saw only 24 murders by some type of rifle. The same pattern can be observed across the nation."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/missouri-governor-will-sign-bill-nullifying-federal-gun-laws-spokeswoman_3854846.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/brandon-smith-real-reasons-why-california-leftists-are-terrified-ar-15

Leftists are driven primarily by two factors: Narcissism, and yes, fear. I’ve discussed their narcissism at great length in past articles; now I think we should delve into their fear. ...

Political elites see California as their own little kingdom with their own special laws, and they plan to eventually spread those laws across America using California as the model. But, if such laws are overturned as unconstitutional, then the precedent actually works in reverse. Now, the leftists are concerned that an overturned gun ban in CA means more blue states will follow and their entire gun grabbing scheme will go out the window.

The leftist mind thinks in terms of unchecked and unhinged “democracy”. Meaning, they believe that the majority is paramount; the majority is law. If a majority in a society wants to take away your freedoms, then they have the right to because they have the mob on their side. 51% rules over the lives of the other 49%. But this is not how things work in a Constitutional Republic.

Under the Bill of Rights your freedoms are codified and sacrosanct. They are inherent and gifted by God (or whatever you happen to believe in); government has no domain over these rights. The right to firearms and self defense is one of these inherent qualities. It does not matter what the State of California thinks, or even what the “majority” of people in California think. If an American in California wants to own an AR-15, then he/she has the right to own an AR-15. ...

When a group of people in power are working hard to remove defensive or even offensive weapons from your hands, it’s best to assume that their intentions are malevolent. They are not trying to help you, they are trying to help themselves. ...

They will deny this motive to the grave, but look at how the political left has been acting lately: They are the only people that have supported mass censorship of opposing viewpoints. They are the only people that are supported by international conglomerates and Big Tech companies. They are the only people that supported the pandemic lockdowns, which were completely useless in stopping the spread of covid, but they were very useful in killing hundreds of thousands of small businesses across the US. They are also the only people in favor of vaccine passports which would destroy the very fabric of our society and erase what is left of our freedoms.

It’s not really surprising that they want to disarm us as well. ...

In other words, they think if they whine long enough and loud enough about an issue someone will come along and give them what they want just to shut them up, even if what they want is illogical or morally bankrupt.

This strategy has worked out for them for many decades so it’s not surprising that they keep using it, but times are changing. Now, the squeaky wheel gets no oil, at least not from gun owners. The squeaky wheel gets nothing.

Gun control is the big line in the sand for most law abiding conservatives and moderates, and we have grown tired of the debate because it’s no longer a debate, it’s a imposition of ideology and cultism. All the facts are on the side of gun owners. All the legal protections are on the side of gun owners. All the moral dynamics are on the side of gun owners. As long as we stand our ground, there is nothing that leftists can do about it.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/missouri-firearms-dealer-spotlighted-with-signing-of-second-amendment-preservation-act_3857637.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

Missouri Firearms Dealer Spotlighted with Signing of ‘Second Amendment Preservation Act’
Owner of Missouri gun shop speaks about event, 2nd Amendment, and gun safety
BY JESSICA MARIE BAUMGARTNER June 14, 2021

Missouri gun shop owner Mike Brown said it was “an honor to represent the people” after his store came under the spotlight as host to Gov. Mike Parson’s signing of a new bill to nullify federal gun laws and protect Second Amendment rights in the state.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/all-29-utah-sheriffs-promise-to-steadfastly-protect-2nd-amendment-amid-gun-control-push_3859757.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

All 29 Utah Sheriffs Promise to ‘Steadfastly Protect’ 2nd Amendment Amid Gun-Control Push
BY JACK PHILLIPS June 15, 2021

Every sheriff in the state of Utah signed a letter saying they would try to safeguard the Second Amendment in the midst of proposed legislation and recent executive orders authorized by President Joe Biden.

http://jpfo.org/alerts2021/alert20210621.htm

Missouri's Republican Gov. Mike Parson signed into law over the weekend the Second Amendment Preservation Act.

The law (Missouri House Bill 85) defines various federal laws that Missouri considers an inherent violation of its citizens' rights under the Second Amendment:

(1) Any tax, levy, fee, or stamp imposed on firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition not common to all other goods and services and that might reasonably be expected to create a chilling effect on the purchase or ownership of those items by law abiding citizens;

(2) Any registration or tracking of firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition;

(3) Any registration or tracking of the ownership of firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition;

(4) Any act forbidding the possession, ownership, use, or transfer of a firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition by law-abiding citizens; and

(5) Any act ordering the confiscation of firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition from law-abiding citizens.

Such laws, the new Missouri law insists, "shall be invalid to this state, shall not be recognized by this state, shall be specifically rejected by this state, and shall not be enforced by this state ... .No entity or person, including any public officer or employee of this state or any political subdivision of this state, shall have the authority to enforce or attempt to enforce any federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, rules, regulations, statutes, or ordinances infringing on the right to keep and bear arms."

https://notthebee.com/article/biden-if-you-think-you-need-to-have-weapons-to-take-on-the-government-you-need-f-15s-and-maybe-some-nuclear-weapons

TOM COTTON GIVES DEMOCRATS A HARSH DOSE OF REALITY ABOUT GUN CONTROL IN SENATE HEARING

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

You can buy grenade launchers (and flare guns) legally, in most states at least.

Yugoslavian SKS versions have a grenade launcher, and can be bought in most of US of A perfectly legally:

Rb6d says

SKS versions

I took the wood off mine. All plastic, folding stock, shorter barrel (paratrooper version) and had the bayonet.

Easily hidden in a trench coat. I wish I hadn't given it away when I moved. Even if it was Chinese made.

It's really hilarious when donkeys tell that rifles are useless because the government has F-15s and nukes while pulling out of Afghanistan where our adversaries have nothing but rifles.

Rb6d says

Yugoslavian SKS versions have a grenade launcher, and can be bought in most of US of A perfectly legally:

I watched some videos about the spring powered P I AT. I learned the shape and angle of the propelled object hitting an surface is far more important than the speed it travels at.

They were made by Polish underground members too, with basic machine tools.

just_passing_through says

I took the wood off mine. All plastic, folding stock, shorter barrel (paratrooper version) and had the bayonet.

I like the wood stock..I am transitioning to being an old fart.