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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   283,224 views  1,408 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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721   GreaterNYCDude   2022 Jun 6, 9:21am  

PeopleUnited says
Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.

Thanks for the education (link did not work though)

So then:

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A [functioning] Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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If mentally disturbed people are able to hit soft targets, clearly something needs to give. Do these events not "undermine the security of a free State"?

Perhaps the awnser is in front of us, and we need militias to protect our schools and other public spaces? Honestly don't know, just thinking out loud.
722   Onvacation   2022 Jun 6, 9:33am  

GreaterNYCDude says

Perhaps the awnser is in front of us, and we need militias to protect our schools and other public spaces?

Or maybe just a trained assistant principle with a Glock.
723   Bd6r   2022 Jun 7, 8:46am  

Onvacation says

GreaterNYCDude says

Perhaps the awnser is in front of us, and we need militias to protect our schools and other public spaces?

Or maybe just a trained assistant principle with a Glock.

Or may be just enforce fucking existing laws, such as don't sell arms to persons threatening school violence, prosecute those who threaten violence so they can't buy guns, etcetera.
724   Onvacation   2022 Jun 7, 8:48am  

Bd6r says


Or may be just enforce fucking existing laws,

The assistant principal can do that. That's what they do.
725   Onvacation   2022 Jun 7, 8:50am  

You can outlaw guns but you can't stop people from getting them. That's why it is important to let good guys carry guns. If guns are outlawed only outlaws, and police, will have guns.
726   Bd6r   2022 Jun 7, 9:01am  

I don't argue against arming teachers and principals, but in the whole discussion on "National level" common sense seems to be lost. In LOGIC! we ask questions like what could have been done to prevent shooting. Answer, at least in last few school shootings, is that they would have been prevented if EXISTING laws would have been enforced, and that they would have been much less deadly if heroes in BLUE! would have done their damned job. New laws will not do anything if they don't enforce (or enforce only selectively) the existing laws. The lack of logic in presstitute and politician discussions is truly infuriating.
730   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 7, 11:35pm  

Bd6r says

I don't argue against arming teachers and principals, but in the whole discussion on "National level" common sense seems to be lost. In LOGIC! we ask questions like what could have been done to prevent shooting. Answer, at least in last few school shootings, is that they would have been prevented if EXISTING laws would have been enforced, and that they would have been much less deadly if heroes in BLUE! would have done their damned job. New laws will not do anything if they don't enforce (or enforce only selectively) the existing laws. The lack of logic in presstitute and politician discussions is truly infuriating.







Nothing can be done until we fix the broken balance between forcible hospitalization and civil rights, and go back to Taxpayer Mental Health facilities for the very mental.

It's one thing to ask people to pay for a weekly visit to Dr. Greenberg, something else to expect them to cover a serious schizo. And halfway homes cannot control or patrol people with severe mental illnesses. They're for people that can work in the normal world with assistance. Schizos will always get their meds adjusted, the danger of halfway homes is that one day, the mix stops working, they decide they're not taking any more of the Alien's mind control pills, and go wander off to throw aliens in front of trains (yes, Mentally ill people can and do hurt themselves and others, quite frequently actually, as anybody who lived in a big city for a year or more has probably seen).
736   Eric Holder   2022 Jun 10, 12:53pm  

Patrick says








Did he call Putin an opressor just now? Tsk-tsk-tsk. That's very Globohomo Joo Nazi of him saying that about OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER!
740   Patrick   2022 Jun 15, 8:17am  


The Post Millennial
@TPostMillennial
Jun 14
Tucker Carlson: "If you can take their guns, why can't you take their homes? Why can't you empty their bank accounts? Ooh sound paranoid, Alex Jones stuff? That just happened in Canada."
741   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 Jun 15, 2:17pm  

Patrick says




he looks like that Penguin villain from Batman movies.
744   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 Jun 16, 2:26pm  

Eric Holder says

RWSGFY says




https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1536301391106408453


FUCKING NAZI!!!


should explain why these news aren't main stream in US. faggots here want to disarm all of us here. every day I check news sites (not to read, but to see what the faggots are selling)... they are still pushing gun control, some shit about standing with Ukraine, and now January 6 comedy show.
746   Eric Holder   2022 Jun 17, 12:15pm  

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Eric Holder says


RWSGFY says





https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1536301391106408453


FUCKING NAZI!!!



should explain why these news aren't main stream in US. faggots here want to disarm all of us here. every day I check news sites (not to read, but to see what the faggots are selling)... they are still pushing gun control, some shit about standing with Ukraine, and now January 6 comedy show.


Is Morawiecki a faggot too?
749   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Jun 18, 1:32pm  

Patrick says








thats just the point.

communists red flagged people into seberia same way.
751   Patrick   2022 Jun 29, 5:27pm  

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-legal-gun-control-regulation-reduce-violent-crime-shooting-murder-brazil-semi-automatic-permit-supremep-court-new-york-decision-11656268995


More Legal Guns Reduced Crime in Brazil
Homicide fell 34% after Bolsonaro made firearms permits easier and cheaper.

“Lives are on the line,” President Biden said after the Supreme Court held New York state’s restrictive gun-permit regime unconstitutional last week. Gov. Kathy Hochul warned: “This could place millions of New Yorkers in harm’s way.” Brazil’s experience suggests otherwise.
752   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Jun 29, 8:40pm  

Patrick says








most are government officials on the list, cops, judges, etc..,
753   mostly reader   2022 Jun 29, 9:53pm  

Bd6r says


Answer, at least in last few school shootings, is that they would have been prevented if EXISTING laws would have been enforced, and that they would have been much less deadly if heroes in BLUE! would have done their damned job.


DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales. The heros in blue don't have to do their job. How fucked up is that?

That, plus mental health issue.

A-R, Shmey-R. At schoolyard distances and against unprotected targets granda's 12Ga is a no less formidable weapon. If someone really wanted to making a right step to fixing the problem - well, mental health seems like a lower hanging fruit there.
754   Booger   2022 Jun 30, 4:59pm  

https://news.yahoo.com/u-supreme-court-orders-lower-150520950.html

I guess that this means that I don't have to drive to Delaware to buy high capacity magazines!

ERECTION INTENSIFYING!!!
755   Patrick   2022 Jul 1, 2:08pm  

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/30/new-york-times-gun-n59920


New York Times opinion editor wants a gun
By Tom Knighton | Jun 30
756   Robert Sproul   2022 Jul 1, 4:46pm  

Personal Information of Every California Concealed-Carry Permit Holder Leaked
'The information included the name, address, age, Criminal Identification Index (CII) number and license type of every CCW permit holder in the state'
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/personal-information-of-every-california-concealed-carry-permit-holder-leaked/

The petty, vindictive, fuckers. Imagine you are an abused stalk-ee that has obtained a gun and carry license for protection and the State prints that fact ALONG WITH YOUR ADDRESS.
757   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 1, 4:51pm  

"accidental" = plausible deniability, and very, very useful for some.
758   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 1, 4:53pm  

Also, I dreamed of a mountain of blue helmets stacked to the moon.

And my sheets were stained when I woke up.
759   Eric Holder   2022 Jul 1, 5:31pm  

Robert Sproul says

Personal Information of Every California Concealed-Carry Permit Holder Leaked



ALL FIVE OF THEM!!!

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