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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   243,066 views  1,277 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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937   Patrick   2023 Feb 13, 7:53pm  

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/02/13/the-new-york-times-has-an-embarrassing-epiphany-about-gun-free-zones-n1670169


We’ve all seen signs announcing a particular place is a “gun-free zone.” While these signs are supposed to reduce gun violence by informing would-be shooters that their firearms aren’t welcome on the site, the reality is that they are instead beacons alerting criminals to soft targets.

And it looks like the New York Times may have finally figured that out. After a murder took place in Times Square on Thursday night, the paper openly questioned why posted signs banning guns from the area didn’t stop the violence. “The shooting was the first since the creation of the expansive, signposted zone, the police said in a statement, and it immediately renewed questions about whether such a designation can truly protect the area,” the so-called paper of record reported.
938   NuttBoxer   2023 Feb 14, 10:37am  

That poem needs to be on the front page of something, fucking AWESOME!!
939   HeadSet   2023 Feb 14, 11:48am  

NuttBoxer says

That poem needs to be on the front page of something, fucking AWESOME!!

The government is not "scared of you" any more than the Mafia is scared of its victims. Both the government and the Mafia know they are seriously outnumbered by their victims, but both know the sheep will never rise up. As long as the sheep are not starving, there are no revolutions.

Case in point - the 2020 vote steal and the Jan 6th protests about that blatant theft. None of the judges that sentenced trespassers to long jail terms are worried about any repercussions. And the cop who shot Ashley Babbit has no fear of any retribution.
940   NuttBoxer   2023 Feb 14, 4:49pm  

HeadSet says

but both know the sheep will never rise up.


Literally proven wrong by every revolution in history.
944   RWSGFY   2023 Feb 20, 9:49am  

NuttBoxer says


HeadSet says


but both know the sheep will never rise up.


Literally proven wrong by every revolution in history.



Nah, these were all CIA-instigated colour coups. And French-instigated coups before there was CIA.
945   Patrick   2023 Feb 20, 10:35pm  

https://jpfo.org/articles-2023/99-percent-solution-stop-mass-murder.htm


Mass-murderers told us what frightens them. They are not afraid to die but they are deeply afraid to fail. We don’t have to stop every mass-murderer but we have to put every attempted mass-murder in doubt. The great news is that we’ve already done that.

It isn’t obvious yet, but we are closing the chapter on the brief history of mass-murders in the United States.

We stopped them. Ordinary people like you and I stopped mass-murderers. We learned to attack the murderer if he attacks us in a bar where we are disarmed. We learned to shoot the attacker if we are armed. We found out that shooting back works really well.

Where we are allowed to go armed, ordinary armed civilians stopped attempted mass-murderers over 104 times since 2004. An armed citizen isn’t there at every attempted mass-murder. If he is there, the armed citizen doesn’t choose to intervene every time. In the last few years we were effective at stopping mass-murderers 94-percent of the time when we tried. We stopped more than half of the attempted mass-murders where we were allowed to go armed.

This wasn’t the mass-murder they planned. Mass-murderers run away or shoot themselves when we shoot back.

Stopping half the mass-murderers is another vitally important clue and we should pay attention to it. To us it might feel like we let half of attempted mass-murders succeed. That is because you and I don’t think like a mass-murderer. Mass-murderers already feel like they are a failure.

Mass-murderers are not willing to take the chance and get shot in the back by grandma who was carrying her handgun in her purse.
947   HeadSet   2023 Feb 24, 9:44am  

PeopleUnited says

The official nation gun of the US legislation.

We do not need a "national gun," the 2nd Amendment is sufficient. My first suspicion is that the Republican who introduced this legislation id another Linsey Graham type 5th columnist. Just as Graham talking about wanting to banning abortions before the midterm was just a play to bring out the Dem abortion voters, this appears to be a play to galvanize the anti-gun Dems.
948   SunnyvaleCA   2023 Feb 24, 1:23pm  

AmericanKulak says

rocketjoe79 says


20 Gauge is almost as effective, lighter, much easier to handle the recoil, especially for females.

Agreed. 20 Ga. is the sweet spot and easier on everybody's shoulders after a while.

With a 12 gauge, you can choose "low recoil" ammunition and/or lighter loads, which will deliver similar firepower and similar recoil compared to 20 gauge.

However, there are some advantages of the 12 gauge. There is a much wider range of ammunition available and it's also sometimes cheaper. You have the option of using more powerful rounds if you want to. If you're looking for the firepower of a 2 3/4 inch 20 gauge, you'll only need a 2 inch round in your 12 gauge, which means you can fit more in the tubular magazine.
950   Patrick   2023 Feb 26, 9:28am  

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/friday-funnies-drug-cartels


True story: When traveling through the EU, Canada and UK, I have had many people from these various countries explain to me that what allowed the extreme lockdowns and vaccine mandates to happen (more so than what happened in most states in the USA) was that their country did not have a second amendment.
954   RayAmerica   2023 Feb 27, 10:04am  

Activist David Hogg: Americans ‘Have No Right to a Gun’

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/02/26/activist-david-hogg-americans-no-right-gun/

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

Hogg argues that the 2nd. Amendment only applies to the 'militia,' which he defines as the National Guard of the individual states. He misses the clear language that grants the right TO the PEOPLE.

ALL totalitarian governments, throughout modern history, have removed guns from their people, which they went on to enslave.
955   Patrick   2023 Feb 28, 7:53pm  


Wall Street Silver
@WallStreetSilv
The M134 Mini Gun ...
There’s 5 rounds in between tracers.🔥🔥🔥

A little duct tape and WD-40 will have her running good as new.




More:

https://notthebee.com/article/this-video-of-a-mini-gun-absolutely-trashing-an-suv-is-going-viral-so-i-rounded-up-a-bunch-of-other-mini-gun-videos-because-i-love-you
956   ForcedTQ   2023 Feb 28, 8:30pm  

RayAmerica says


Activist David Hogg: Americans ‘Have No Right to a Gun’

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/02/26/activist-david-hogg-americans-no-right-gun/

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

Hogg argues that the 2nd. Amendment only applies to the 'militia,' which he defines as the National Guard of the individual states. He misses the clear language that grants the right TO the PEOPLE.

ALL totalitarian governments, throughout modern history, have removed guns from their people, which they went on to enslave.

More important that Hogg completely misses is that these rights are Natural rights, they are not given by the constitution and the amendments. The amendment texts are purely instructional as to what the government must not do or what it must abide by. The conduct of the government is up to the States and ultimately the People to police….
958   HeadSet   2023 Mar 2, 5:59pm  

Odd, when I was in the military, we had fully automatic weapons.
959   PeopleUnited   2023 Mar 2, 6:24pm  

HeadSet says

Odd, when I was in the military, we had fully automatic weapons.

Spray and pray has been determined to be too religious.
960   Patrick   2023 Mar 3, 1:40pm  

https://slaynews.com/economy/discover-credit-cards-will-track-gun-purchases-from-april/


Credit card provider Discover Financial Services will begin tracking gun purchases made by its customers from April onward.

The company will allow its network to track purchases made using payment cards at gun stores.

The move has triggered criticism that such activity leads to targeting gun owners.


Another reason to pay cash and avoid credit cards.
966   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Mar 29, 5:22pm  

PeopleUnited says

HeadSet says


Odd, when I was in the military, we had fully automatic weapons.

Spray and pray has been determined to be too religious.


man Americans are pussified, had a very safe and sterile life. they scared of guns, germs, bad words… it’s a cultural issue. pussies everywhere.
967   PeopleUnited   2023 Mar 29, 8:36pm  

America used to be the land of the good guy with a gun. Now it is just the land of they/them.

Pathetic.

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