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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   283,101 views  1,403 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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1208   RWSGFY   2024 Jan 7, 5:38pm  

6.5 Carcano sighted at 100yd shooting parallel to the ground:



6.5 Carcano sighted at 100yd shooting 20 degrees down (as if 90 yards out from 20 yards high):



When shooting flat the POI will be 0.17 inch higher than POA and when shooting at 20 dg down the POI will be 0.34 inch higher than POA. Yeah, that 0.17 inch of difference in POI makes the shot on a human-sized target from 6th floor TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Stupid is strong in this thread.
1209   Reality   2024 Jan 7, 6:25pm  

Bd6r says

I can hit a chest-sized target pretty well at 100 yards with iron sights in any wind/weather with my k31 and Swedish Mauser, and I am no sharpshooter.


So can I, at 100 yards with any good quality rifle (and good quality ammo) with correctly adjusted iron sight, while shooting level! Shooting at targets not at approximately level however changes the situation entirely.
1210   Reality   2024 Jan 7, 7:40pm  

RWSGFY says


6.5 Carcano sighted at 100yd shooting parallel to the ground:



6.5 Carcano sighted at 100yd shooting 20 degrees down (as if 90 yards out from 20 yards high):



When shooting flat the POI will be 0.17 inch higher than POA and when shooting at 20 dg down the POI will be 0.34 inch higher than POA. Yeah, that 0.17 inch of difference in POI makes the shot on a human-sized target from 6th floor TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Stupid is strong in this thread.


The rifle LHO had was not a long-barrel 77cm (from which the muzzle velocity number you cited), but a short-barrel one; its rear sight was fixed on the gun at 200m (219 yards). Depending on which ballistic calculator you use (and assumptions about the ballistic co-efficient), at 100m the bullet would hit 4.5-7 inches above the point of aim, while shooting level! So if the 2:1 deviation ratio from the two charts you provided holds, that would be 9" to 14" above point of aim when shooting downwards at near the relevant angle. The target was not human-sized but head-sized, and a moving target. The scope on the gun was a cheap 4x18mm designed for a .22 pellet air gun for target shooting at 10-25 meters distance, side-mounted on the rifle (i.e. not even in the same 2D plane as the ballistic curve).
1214   Patrick   2024 Jan 20, 8:35am  

From a forwarded email:


There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms; this number is not disputed. The U.S. population was 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun-related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective, as compared to other causes of death:

65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws.

15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty, and justified.

17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally-ill persons – better known as “gun violence”.

3% are accidental discharge deaths.

So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many?

Now let’s look at how those 5,100 deaths span across the nation.

480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore

333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C.

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just…4 cities.

All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of gun laws that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state.

That is an average because some states have much higher rates than others.

For example, California had 1,169 gun-related deaths of all kinds…and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this.

It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states.

So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something else causing the gun deaths!

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime, but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by bad guys.

It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called…”criminals”.

But what about other deaths each year?

40,000+ die from drug overdoses.

36,000 people die per year from the flu.

34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities.

More Information:

200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually lost from all gun-related deaths.

So, you have to ask yourself, then in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?

It’s pretty simple:

Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs. So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”
1220   Patrick   2024 Jan 31, 8:13am  

https://notthebee.com/article/wow-actor-kurt-russell-smoked-some-woke-anti-gun-hollywood-reporter-in-this-interview




Welp, now all I want to do today is watch Tombstone and Big Trouble in Little China.

Hollywood legend Kurt Russell absolutely smoked this anti-gun, anti-white, woke Hollywood blogger in a resurfaced interview from 2015 when he started talking about guns being a "totem" for "white men."

Listen to Russell dismantle this blogger.

Russell: I don't understand the concept of the conversation of the 'gun culture.' We've lived with guns - what, since the 7th century or something?

Woke dude: We all know right now that guns is a trope ... it's a totem, it's a metaphor that disenfranchised white guys need. It makes them feel good ...

Yeah, he went immediately to anti-gun AND anti-white guys.

Because, you know, the biggest problem with guns in the US is white guys with their buddies at the range. Not the inner cities or anything like that.

Russell: You can say what you want. I don't agree with that. It's not my thing ... If you think that gun control or something like that is going to change a terrorist's point of view I think you're, like, out of your mind. I think you're - I think anybody is. I think it's absolutely insane.

I had no idea Kurt Russell was this based. I knew I liked him, but this makes me like him even more.
The Hollywoke dude then got into the no-fly list and potential terrorists being able to buy guns, and Russell just worked him over again.

Russell: They (terrorists) can also make a bomb pretty easily. They can also get knives and stab you. What are you going to do about that? They can also get car and run you over. What are you gonna do about that? What are you gonna do about that?

Wokie: They didn't kill the people in San Bernandino like that ...

Russell: But they've killed others. So what are you gonna do? Outlaw everything? That ain't the answer. Put some controls? Haha! So the people, so the people who want to defend themselves can't?

Wokie: No! Not so you can't! Just so the idiots can't get ahold of them.

Russell: Do you really believe they're not going to? Are you serious about that? What good will that - ? Oh my g--. You and I just disagree. You and I just disagree. I understand that you think you can control the behavior of people that are dead set on taking your way of life away from you. I think you think you can control that. And there is only one thing you can do with that and that is say, 'No dude, that ain't gonna happen. That's just not gonna happen.'

Then he walked out of the interview!
I'll be honest, it was so refreshing to hear some common sense in this day and age, even if this clip is almost nine years old.

Russell is an absolute boss! Man, we really need more of this in 2024 now that we've survived the era of Trump breaking the establishment's brains, the WuFlu, the Summer of Love, the ongoing border invasion, and more.
1221   Patrick   2024 Feb 5, 10:55am  

https://notthebee.com/article/south-carolina-senate-passes-permitless-carry-law-if-signed-theyll-be-the-27th-state-to-not-require-a-permit-to-carry-a-firearm-


South Carolina Senate passes permitless carry law. If signed they'll be the 28th state to not require a permit to carry a firearm
1222   AD   2024 Feb 11, 8:55pm  

Patrick says

South Carolina Senate passes permitless carry law. If signed they'll be the 28th state to not require a permit to carry a firearm


Unlike Hawaii which is a left wing authoritarian's paradise.

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/09/1230580485/hawaii-high-court-the-wire-gun-rights

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1223   GNL   2024 Feb 11, 9:13pm  

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/south-carolina-senate-passes-permitless-carry-law-if-signed-theyll-be-the-27th-state-to-not-require-a-permit-to-carry-a-firearm-



South Carolina Senate passes permitless carry law. If signed they'll be the 28th state to not require a permit to carry a firearm


Too bad the article doesn't mention if this includes conceal carry also.
1224   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Feb 12, 7:59am  

I'm ok with no it just being for open carry. If we all got into the habit of going out armed, the world would be a much more polite and safer place. CC is really only needed in places where open carry isn't the norm.
1226   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Feb 14, 11:09am  

Couple of clarifications needed for that link. One, was Moreno an illegal? Migrants are the ones working the fields in Yuma right now, please don't abuse English. Second, I think the point is being missed when you focus on gender delusions instead of the root cause, mental illness. It's been well documented since Columbine that shooters are all on, or recently came off mind-altering drugs. Keep the focus on pharma and mental illness, that's the root cause. If we start diving down every rabbit hole a mentally ill person creates, we'll soon be lost in the weeds, VERY FAR from understanding and solutions.
1227   Eman   2024 Feb 19, 3:39pm  

Average 1.2 guns per person.


1229   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Feb 21, 6:54am  

Eman says

Average 1.2 guns per person.


I have three, that should be standard. Pistol for CC, daily carry, your wife or kids to defend the home. Shotgun for you to defend the home. Rifle for you to defend your country, likely against your own government.
1239   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Mar 11, 7:33am  

Florida is attempting to move legal age for gun purchases from 21 to 18..
1244   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Mar 22, 9:29am  

Why is the focus on what they are carrying rather than if they should be here in the first place?
1245   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Mar 22, 9:33am  

Remember when Biden said the 2nd Amendment wouldn't help us because the Feds have fighter jets...

70% of the F-35 fighter jets in US military are not combat-ready.

Trillions of dollars wasted by crony capitalism

pic.twitter.com/vMtORhbsTe

— S.L. Kanthan (@Kanthan2030) March 19, 2024
1246   Patrick   2024 Mar 22, 4:45pm  

https://jpfo.org/articles-2024/dont-get-outed.htm


DON'T GET OUTED!

DEAD GIVEAWAYS YOU'RE CARRYING

You carry a gun to protect yourself and others, but one key to keeping out of harm's way is to make sure people don't suspect you have a gun. If a bad guy knows you're carrying, it puts you in a dangerous situation by making you a target. Why, then, are so many people — both civilians and police — so careless about how they carry? I believe it's a combination of ignorance and complacency.

I can promise one thing: Bad guys are profiling people before they act. It's part of what they do, since their objective is to get away safely. Interviews with prison inmates have provided valuable information about how they picked their victims. If you walk in an awkward way, ignore your environment and the people surrounding you, they are more likely to select you. They're looking for victims and concealed carriers, and they know how to spot you.

The most common mistake people make when they first begin concealed carry is intentionally displaying their gun. Most people are proud they're able to carry a gun and want others to notice, so they "accidentally" give themselves away.

You may be proud, but don't put yourself in danger. It could be a fatal error. Think about it: If you wanted to rob a bank who is the first person you'd likely shoot? The armed guard, because he represents the immediate threat to the success of your mission. The same applies to you. If you've revealed yourself at a gas station where a robbery is about to occur, you will be the "guard" taken out first. It's happened before and will probably happen again. Don't become a statistic.

Once people get accustomed to carrying as a regular part of their routine, these intentional displays usually go away. We're then left with the real mistakes people make out of ignorance or sloppy control of their behaviors. ...
1247   GNL   2024 Mar 23, 7:54am  

Patrick says





What percentage of the red area is white heritage America and what percentage of the red area is made up of other? Now THAT would be an interesting factoid.

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