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2nd Amendment Discussion


               
2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   332,039 views  1,574 comments

by CajunSteve   follow (1)  

With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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1572   Patrick   @   2026 Feb 2, 7:55pm  

I think the original intent was that there be no standing US army at all, because a standing army was considered a threat to the freedom of the people. Lots of such armies had been used in Europe to oppress their own people. They figured a militia would not do that.
1573   FortWayneHatesRealtors   @   2026 Feb 2, 8:37pm  

It was all about self reliance. They had the right idea, it was the only one that worked.
1574   ForcedTQ   @   2026 Feb 3, 12:44am  

HeadSet says

Patrick says


I seems obviously and flagrantly unconstitutional to entirely ban guns in DC.

If you are getting technical:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
means the "the people" have an uninfringeable RIGHT to military weapons. That is violated all the time.

This is absolutely correct. Any weapons that one can create or obtain (not considering any type of unconstitutional infringements). If the standing military has it so should we all if we want it.

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