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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   282,887 views  1,397 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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671   Patrick   2022 May 31, 10:08pm  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/gunning-for-guns


the purpose of an armed populace is to deter and prevent predation by citizens and state alike. forget this fact at your peril.

el gato malo
16 hr ago
there is nothing that says “this is not going to go well for you” like a guy with 24/7/365 armed security who just spent two years vilifying you, violating your bodily integrity, and depriving you of basic liberties telling you about how you do not need a gun.









672   Patrick   2022 May 31, 10:14pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/listen-to-biden-try-to-talk-about-guns


"A .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out, maybe, and save a life — a 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body. So the idea of these high-caliber weapons is, uh, there's simply no rational basis for it in terms of self-protection, hunting. Remember, the constitution was never absolute."

Our president, ladies and gentlemen.


Not elected. In office through massive fraud. 2000 Mules.
673   richwicks   2022 May 31, 11:59pm  

Bd6r says
I would not [put it] past our gubbermint supplying him with weapons at a politically convenient time.


Of course. The FIB always identifies these people well before anything happens, and always fails to do anything about it.

This is because they are part of it. When has the FIB ever stopped a school shooting?

Name ONE time.
674   mostly reader   2022 Jun 1, 12:21am  

richwicks says
When has the FIB ever stopped a school shooting?
I check in and sure enough - some clowns just don't disappoint. Just to verify: @richwicks, what's your criteria for acknowledging that a shooting HAS been stopped (by whoever)? (trantrum without a logical fallacy is not a proper tantrum)
675   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 1, 8:17am  

It looks like the same exact kid was arrested before, and may have been the one stopped a few years ago in the same town.

That's why there's a mugshot of him.
677   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 1, 8:56am  

Breaking: TX Shooter may not have had a driver's license.

How did he purchase his guns, then? How did he get to Wendy's?

(Suspected answer: He used a Mexican Matriculata Consulata Card?)
678   Patrick   2022 Jun 1, 9:38am  


Salman Sima
@SalmanSima
13h
.@JustinTrudeau wants to ban handguns in 🇨🇦. In Iran,one of the first things the Islamic Regime did after taking power was collect & confiscate the people’s guns. Today,they are killing unarmed people in the streets.Tyranny wants you weak & unarmed so they can opress & control U.
679   Bd6r   2022 Jun 1, 11:33am  

AmericanKulak says

Breaking: TX Shooter may not have had a driver's license.

How did he purchase his guns, then? How did he get to Wendy's?

(Suspected answer: He used a Mexican Matriculata Consulata Card?)

Or a helpful FBI agent provided the gun
682   richwicks   2022 Jun 2, 12:49am  

mostly reader says
richwicks says
When has the FIB ever stopped a school shooting?
I check in and sure enough - some clowns just don't disappoint. Just to verify: @richwicks, what's your criteria for acknowledging that a shooting HAS been stopped (by whoever)? (trantrum without a logical fallacy is not a proper tantrum)


It's the arrest and conviction of a person that was claiming to prepare to do a mass murder, and was arrested and convicted along with evidence they were actually going to do it complete with weaponry and ammunition that was not supplied by an intelligence informant, either directly or through money given to them.

I'm well fucking aware the FIB will fake this shit too.

Our FIB finds mentally unstable people, convinces them to engage in some terrorist act, gives them the money and support to do it, then arrests them before they do, complete with a fake bomb they supplied. They've been doing this for the last 2 decades. They recently did this with the Gretchen Witmer "kidnapping plot". This was BLATANTLY obvious. Hell, the capital police allowed protesters into the capital, they are the ones that opened the magnetic doors, the "People's House" wasn't broken into.

These are our fucking intelligence agencies. The shooter in Buffalo, Payton Gendron was talking to an "ex" FBI employee before the attack happened - or at least those are the rumors, perhaps they are false.

Show me an example where they stopped an ACTUAL crime before it happened? Do you think the reason something like 20 fully armed police officers in Uvalde sat by and did nothing was because NONE of them (who were in bullet proof jackets) were willing to go in and stop the shooter, or because they were ordered to stand down?

You're hopelessly naive in my opinion. In a democratic system it requires the population to distrust and be suspicious of the government, in fascism and communism, it requires complete trust, and you're either a fascist or a communist. Lots of people like you in this nation today, a dangerous number of you.

Remember, you trust Ukraine to be winning the war because you're still naive enough to trust US "news" media - even after the last 5 years. We'll see. My contention is this war will end with Russia getting what they demanded in the first place, and if they just got that in the first place, there would be a lot less dead men as a result. Ukraine is going to be destroyed. Well, a small price to pay for $60 billion dollars of money laundering and some to the MIC and a slightly weaker Russia, that's what the maniacs that run the United States want, and will have. It's just another money laundering operation, just like Afghanistan was - just like most of our stupid wars are.

I am sick and tired of talking with you. You're either an idiot, or even worse, a colluder. I live and work in the shithole called Silly Con Valley, I know PRECISELY what is done here, and what kind of intelligence FUCKERS have done to infiltrate our industry. To me, you're either a hapless idiot that still trusts the US government, or you're a criminal that works for them. Either way, I don't respect you, and I don't care about your statements, and I don't respect your stated opinions because either I can't trust "your" opinions are your opinions, or I think you're too stupid to form one. There could be a 3rd alternative, but since you push the Ukraine narrative of our propaganda outlets, I know I can't trust you to actually think. I'm not hearing from your mind either way, whether it's paid for or free, irrelevant.
683   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 2, 12:57am  

The Egyptian Intel Guy being framed in the Early 90s.

He outsmarted the FIB by recording all his convos and phone calls, he was a much better intel guy than they were. Right down to his last few calls telling them to arrest the Jihadis, they were on the move, and the FIB agents yeah yeah yeahing him.
685   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 2, 1:00am  

Also, time to switch framing:

It's no longer #GunControl. It's #CivilianDisarmament
686   richwicks   2022 Jun 2, 8:34am  

AmericanKulak says

The Egyptian Intel Guy being framed in the Early 90s.

He outsmarted the FIB by recording all his convos and phone calls, he was a much better intel guy than they were. Right down to his last few calls telling them to arrest the Jihadis, they were on the move, and the FIB agents yeah yeah yeahing him.


Emad Salem. He was an informer to the FIB in the WTC bombing. FIB made certain it happened and even tried to convict Salem.

FIB kills innocent people all the time.
687   Bd6r   2022 Jun 2, 10:31am  

The quote below is very pertinent to discussion:


If you disagree you are a RACIST!
688   GNL   2022 Jun 2, 11:36am  

Patrick says



Who said it?
693   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 2, 8:46pm  

Miss Lindsay is ready to bend over!

694   Misc   2022 Jun 2, 10:10pm  

When is the Federal government going to supply US citizens with the equivalent weapons it supplied the Taliban with?
696   Patrick   2022 Jun 3, 9:10am  

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/watch-nadler-claims-18-year-olds-young-guns-wont-raise-draft-age-21/


Nadler Claims 18 Year-Olds Are Too Young For Guns — But Won’t Raise The Draft Age To 21
697   PeopleUnited   2022 Jun 3, 12:03pm  

If you don’t have what they say you shouldn’t, what are you waiting for? Obviously if they don’t want you to have it, you need it. And if you already are a law abiding bearer, won’t you consider teaching someone else to do the same? Vote with your wallet and start exercising your rights before it is too late.

Ask Ukraine why the right to bear semi auto or better is so important, right Joe?
698   PeopleUnited   2022 Jun 3, 12:04pm  

AmericanKulak says

Miss Lindsay is ready to bend over!




FJB, FLG, and F all the Rinos and commies.
699   Robert Sproul   2022 Jun 3, 2:42pm  

PeopleUnited says
Ask Ukraine why the right to bear semi auto or better is so important, right Joe?

In February they distributed 10,000 rifles, presumably AR platform, to the citizens of Kyiv. They said in the news that 'Ukraine provided them' but c'mon man, they don't have shit that we didn't give them so they were our guns.
As was said recently you arm your allies, you disarm your enemies. We are their enemy.
700   Bd6r   2022 Jun 3, 2:57pm  

Robert Sproul says
presumably AR platform, to the citizens of Kyiv. They said in the news that 'Ukraine provided them' but c'mon man, they don't have shit that we didn't give them so they were our guns.

They were FULLY AUTOMATIC AK's from old Soviet stock, a family acquaintance has relatives there who got one.
On another note, Ukr interior minister said a few days ago that attitude towards civilian ownership of arms will change and every citizen should be armed. If I understood this correctly, he meant full auto rifles and RPG's.
701   RWSGFY   2022 Jun 3, 3:41pm  

Robert Sproul says

PeopleUnited says
Ask Ukraine why the right to bear semi auto or better is so important, right Joe?

In February they distributed 10,000 rifles, presumably AR platform, to the citizens of Kyiv. They said in the news that 'Ukraine provided them' but c'mon man, they don't have shit that we didn't give them so they were our guns.
As was said recently you arm your allies, you disarm your enemies. We are their enemy.


Wrong: they gave out AK-47 and AK-74 with giggle switches. Also they have a native manufacturer of AR and Tavor patterned rifles in 7.62x39, 5.45x39 and 5.56x45, so the premise of "everything is provided by us" is simply incorrect. Grand total we took way more weapons from them than we ever gave (cough, nukes, ICBMs, strategic bombers, cruise missiles, cough).
702   PeopleUnited   2022 Jun 3, 4:01pm  

RWSGFY says
they gave out AK-47 and AK-74 with giggle switches. Also they have a native manufacturer of AR and Tavor patterned rifles in 7.62x39, 5.45x39 and 5.56x45,


All of these are things they are trying to ban here in America, while giving them to drug cartels in Mexico and civilians in Ukraine.
703   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 3, 4:12pm  

Yep, PeopleUnited, the Biden Clique disarms it's enemies
704   PeopleUnited   2022 Jun 3, 4:15pm  

AmericanKulak says

Yep, PeopleUnited, the Biden Regime disarms it's enemies


Fixed it for you.
705   RWSGFY   2022 Jun 3, 4:20pm  

PeopleUnited says

RWSGFY says
they gave out AK-47 and AK-74 with giggle switches. Also they have a native manufacturer of AR and Tavor patterned rifles in 7.62x39, 5.45x39 and 5.56x45,


All of these are things they are trying to ban here in America, while giving them to drug cartels in Mexico and civilians in Ukraine.



Different "they". Points for creative quoting though.
706   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 3, 4:31pm  

As usual, America pays most of the bill, the Euros combined not even half as us, despite being most of the G7 and as a whole,wealthier than the USA.

708   Bd6r   2022 Jun 3, 7:17pm  

Question to Patnetters - is there a need to stock up on additional 9mm? Will they be able to mess with it like tax, registration, ban?
709   PeopleUnited   2022 Jun 3, 7:20pm  

Arms, ammo, magazines. They are coming for them all.
710   PeopleUnited   2022 Jun 3, 7:22pm  

RWSGFY says
Different "they". Points for creative quoting though.



The USA is directly and indirectly arming civilians and soldiers in Ukraine while they work to disarm civilians in America.

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