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TwoScoopsPlissken says

The first comment wasn't even a snarky remark, it was a friendly ribbing, with "I Kid, I Kid". Technically I suppose it was personal, but let's not act like somebody had a stream of virulent abuse directed at them.

I see, proving my point that the mods saw it and let it stand, giving personal attacks likes rather than doing their job to uphold Patricks desires to Discuss Anything But Other Posters.

So may i levy personal attacks, so long as i qualify them with “I kid, I kid”?

errc says

So may i levy personal attacks, so long as i qualify them with “I kid, I kid”?

I think personal "attack" is stretching it. But i suppose it was "personal".

TwoScoopsPlissken says

errc says

So may i levy personal attacks, so long as i qualify them with “I kid, I kid”?

I think personal "attack" is stretching it. But i suppose it was "personal".

Goran said he assumes most here are fairly intelligent

It would be better if most were genuine and honest.

I’m not sure how any honest person would claim that it was anything but a personal attack. I mean c’mon, we all know that what the intent was.

Something changed late 2016. Previously, I would have said my friend Thunderlips was honest and Trustworthy. Back then, we all put the utmost value on Free Speech. Truth is at the heart of Free Speech, so it should be of no surprise what happened after all of a sudden, some decided that Free Speech, and hence the truth, no longer had value. I get it, it was of absolute necessity in order for this all to happen

errc says

Something changed late 2016

Yes, Trump won and there was a national outbreak of unbelievable TDS.

Goran_K says

We're all fairly intelligent adults here.

I'm flattered, Moderator. Such a mature thing to say. Intelligent person!

errc says

What about the third option that was exercised here in this thread?

Levy obvious and direct personal attacks without any repercussions other than the mods allowing it to stand, and giving it likes?

Or is that option reserved for Republicans/“Libertarians” only?

Like I said, I didn't see the comment, and honestly didn't even visit this thread until after it was all cleaned up. I think Silicon Valley is a great show, but yes, all of those guys come off as cucky, beta, faggots. That's part of the charm IMO.

Goran_K says

errc says

What about the third option that was exercised here in this thread?

Levy obvious and direct personal attacks without any repercussions other than the mods allowing it to stand, and giving it likes?

Or is that option reserved for Republicans/“Libertarians” only?

Like I said, I didn't see the comment, and honestly didn't even visit this thread until after it was all cleaned up. I think Silicon Valley is a great show, but yes, all of those guys come off as cucky, beta, faggots. That's part of the charm IMO.

That’s the problem, you didn’t say that you didn’t see the post.
You said:
“No one is allowing any personal attacks on errc.”

Which was an outright lie, proven by the admission of a mod in this thread that he saw it, and let it stand.

That’s your problem, you make claims about things when you don’t know wtf you’re talking about, and then get all triggered when someone rightly calls you out on the lie.

Like when you said that Patrick never allowed the post by Sniper/Ironman calling Obama a nigger. You got all triggered when i called you on your lie, and then Patrick himself came in and confirmed! Yet you never back down from, or retract your lies

We have to be able to call out lies when we see them, we have to be able to speak the truth, or Speech, Free or otherwise has no meaning.

I get that most people are lame, disinteresting halfwits, and they can’t participate in most discussions because they’re not on the level, so it explains why those jerk offs enjoy doing the only thing they are capable of, disrupting others. However, for intelligent Americans, Free Speech has value, and The Truth is axiomatic and at the core of Free Speech. Free Speech can be false and dishonest, however for it to have any value it must be open to being called for the bullshit it is, by honest people with integrity.

errc says

I get that most people are lame, disinteresting halfwits, and they can’t participate in most discussions because they’re not on the level, so it explains why those jerk offs enjoy doing the only thing they are capable of, disrupting others. However, for intelligent Americans, Free Speech has value, and The Truth is axiomatic and at the core of Free Speech. Free Speech can be false and dishonest, however for it to have any value it must be open to being called for the bullshit it is, by honest people with integrity.

You were right about the nigger comment, but I was right that patrick wiped out the account that levied that vile word. You also levied another equally vile racist comment not too long ago, and I think the mods were very lenient in their response to your vile racist comment, wouldn't you agree?

Also the supposed "personal attack" was wiped out, and I don't see it in the delete queue anymore, so obviously it was handled.

Honestly, what more do you want?

errc says

How else do you explain all my posts being pre screened by moderators and my inability to mark a personal attack ad a personal attack?

Other users mark those as personal, not the mods. Everything else was a follow-up determined by the logic in Patrick's code. It's not a perfect system, but it seems to work fairly well.

errc says

Something changed late 2016.

Some people couldn't handle the election outcome without frequent (or even more than the usual) expletive-filled tirades and when the new system was established left on their own volition. Others then became more and more confrontational when their spokes-person left while the rest moved on.

Goran_K says

errc says

I get that most people are lame, disinteresting halfwits, and they can’t participate in most discussions because they’re not on the level, so it explains why those jerk offs enjoy doing the only thing they are capable of, disrupting others. However, for intelligent Americans, Free Speech has value, and The Truth is axiomatic and at the core of Free Speech. Free Speech can be false and dishonest, however for it to have any value it must be open to being called for the bullshit it is, by honest people with integrity.

You were right about the nigger comment, but I was right that patrick wiped out the account that levied that vile word. You also levied another equally vile racist comment not too long ago, and I think the mods were very lenient in their response to your vile racist comment, wouldn't you agree?

Also the supposed "personal attack" was wiped out, and I don't ...

Patrick has established many times that it seems (paraphrased) the truth for many is a very subjective thing and he'd rather let wild ideas (without personal attacks) stand than personal attacks, so there is no use in claiming to speak the truth or aggressively/repeatedly calling someone else out on a perceived lie, besides continuing the discussion with civility. So I think you are assuming that truth and free speech go together, but they don't, at least not from my understanding. In fact, free speech almost demands to let "lies" stand.

errc says

That’s your problem, you make claims about things when you don’t know wtf you’re talking about, and then get all triggered when someone rightly calls you out on the lie.

WOW, man, such a language with a Moderator?! Do you know what he can do to you?

mell says

errc says

How else do you explain all my posts being pre screened by moderators and my inability to mark a personal attack ad a personal attack?

Other users mark those as personal, not the mods. Everything else was a follow-up determined by the logic in Patrick's code. It's not a perfect system, but it seems to work fairly well.

errc says

Something changed late 2016.

Some people couldn't handle the election outcome without frequent (or even more than the usual) expletive-filled tirades and when the new system was established left on their own volition. Others then became more and more confrontational when their spokes-person left while the rest moved on.

Goran_K says

errc...

My lord, there’s so much wrong here, I’m not sure where to start. I qualified that Free Speech only matters if you allow the lies to be spoken, so that honest people can speak truth to them. I had a thread about it recently I’ll bump it. The rest of what you posted may make sense in an alternate reality, but in the real world, it’s utter nonsense

mell says

Some people couldn't handle the election outcome

We know who they were.

P N Dr Lo R says

mell says

Some people couldn't handle the election outcome

We know who they were.

Yup, however, you’ve referenced the wrong election, and identified the wrong group of people.

TDS is made up bullshit for the people that constantly seek to be triggered by Entertainment News.

The correct election was 2008
The people suffering from Delusional Syndrome are the wackjobs that fucking lost it when the Dem with a permanent tan became the first Black Man to hold the office.

For those who operate in reality, we remember the nonstop Birther bullshit propagated for years by Trump and Co. And the relentless venom that was spewed his way by those suffering from Delusion Syndrome. All day, every day, it was Socialist Communist Obama gonna ruin our country (because he’s black!)

Like all things, eventually that would run stale, but not before the whole Tea Party bullshit to attempt and Starve the Beast and shutdown the government until we could get a White Republican in office.

The Obama Delusion Syndrome was replaced by Hillary Delusion Syndrome, where the same lemmings gobbled up the propaganda and worked themselves into a years long frenzy about the Insanely Criminal Clinton.

But people like to project their poorest qualities onto others, so once they got a Surprise Trump win, many of the same people who were strongly against Trump, began to come around once they realized he was going to be just like any Republican, and cut the taxes for the Wealthy, boost Military Spending, run up the deficit and the Debt, Champion the Christian Church what with all his obvious Christian Values, attack Liberals at every turn, and wage war against the Mexican laborers Boogeyman, they were quick to come around. So they did the only thing the y know how, and projected their defects onto others, and fling poo. Trump Delusion Syndrome!
It’s real! We saw it on the FakeNews! Trigglypuff and those Berkeley twigs with their meanness and Antifa!

I don’t know of even one actual person who strongly supported Hillary. Almost everyone was actively rooting against her, so it just doesn’t jive with reality that anyone went off the deep end when she lost.

errc says

I don’t know of even one actual person who strongly supported Hillary. Almost everyone was actively rooting against her, so it just doesn’t jive with reality that anyone went off the deep end when she lost.

Really?
www.youtube.com/embed/wDYNVH0U3cs



I was crying with laughter for days. TDS gave me months of entertainment and I didn't even vote for Trump.

errc says

mell says

errc says

How else do you explain all my posts being pre screened by moderators and my inability to mark a personal attack ad a personal attack?

Other users mark those as personal, not the mods. Everything else was a follow-up determined by the logic in Patrick's code. It's not a perfect system, but it seems to work fairly well.

errc says

Something changed late 2016.

Some people couldn't handle the election outcome without frequent (or even more than the usual) expletive-filled tirades and when the new system was established left on their own volition. Others then became more and more confrontational when their spokes-person left while the rest moved on.

Goran...

I see the thread you bumped, but it doesn't make much sense to me. Free speech can be used to collectively find the truth, yes, but that is certainly not a prerequisite. For most free speech is simply voicing their opinions without repercussions. Which you can do on this site as long as you don't violate the law or use personal attacks. Nobody has covered up any lies, but if a comment gets jailed it obviously is not there anymore in the thread/discussion and it makes it harder to memorize, eventually it will get lost. When it comes to politics, it is simply a choice of what is most important to them. To give you an example, you keep referring to the Mexican boogeymen. For many living in/near border-towns with high violent crime or even some sanctuary cities and for those with depressed wages or out of a job those are real problems - likely much more important than weed - and making fun of grave problems likely won't win them over. In the end it's about priorities, as there is no universal truth. I want weed (pretty much all drugs) to be legalized and illegal immigration to be stopped entirely. If I only get both legal or illegal I would choose to live with illegal weed as it doesn't matter as much to me as illegal immigration. For you it's apparently the opposite, but that doesn't make the high crime in border towns and towns with many illegals/refugees less of a reality. So while Trump is far from perfect, one can agree with a majority of his policies and therefore become a "Trumpkin".

errc says

Almost everyone was actively rooting against her, so it just doesn’t jive with reality that anyone went off the deep end when she lost.

Being in academic environment, I know quite a few people who are still lamenting her loss, mostly feminist-type middle-aged or older womyn. They actively supported her in election, some even worked for her (or should I say xer) as volunteers. A few still can not stop talking about the election. Remember also "I will move to Canada if Trump wins" - I heard that kind of talk a few weeks ago.

You are extremely lucky if you do not hear this nonsense. I would love to be that sheltered.

Indeed my wife is in academia and many of her cohorts are die-hard Hillary fans who can’t help decrying Trump. While I understand the urge to shit on the Donald, since he is so very assholish, I can’t understand people who champion the Leftist cause. It’s unpatriotic, it’s unamerican, it’s anti- life, it’s frankly evil! Turn LIVE around and you get EVIL, and since Democrat polices seem to be anti-life at every point, I term them evil.

Quigley says

champion the Leftist cause.

Who is championing leftist causes in the US? I don't know anybody of significance.

errc says

It also explains the proliferation of guns that coincide the rise of the betas. Alphas handle business with our bare hands, betas clamor for daddy and guns to protect them from the boogeyman, while wearing suits and ties.

You're confused. Betas want nothing to do with guns. It's the Alphas that are the owners.

The Betas are busy holding their hot chocolate, wearing their onesies pajamas and living in mom's basement.

drB6 says

errc says

Almost everyone was actively rooting against her, so it just doesn’t jive with reality that anyone went off the deep end when she lost.

Being in academic environment, I know quite a few people who are still lamenting her loss, mostly feminist-type middle-aged or older womyn. They actively supported her in election, some even worked for her (or should I say xer) as volunteers. A few still can not stop talking about the election. Remember also "I will move to Canada if Trump wins" - I heard that kind of talk a few weeks ago.

You are extremely lucky if you do not hear this nonsense. I would love to be that sheltered.

It’s not about being sheltered, It’s about asserting yourself. Why do you choose to subject yourself to such nonsense?

I can’t imagine a situation where I’d subject myself to such torture. I have better things to do with my time then sit around and listen to aged broads whine about nonsense. I get more than enough of that here on Patnet

errc says

Why do you choose to subject yourself to such nonsense?

Faculty dinners with visitors, either here or when I am lecturing somewhere else. Can not escape, unfortunately. In more open areas I rapidly retreat when hearing Hillary laments.

May be it is environment, but in personal interactions I can talk at least limited amount of sense into Trump supporters, but never into Hillary fans (e.i. fucking white male hater club). Then again, I can see, at least in theory if not in practice, that a few things advocated by Trump make sense - not that he is doing those things in a rational or any way at all - but I really can not find anything rational in Hillary as she was the candidate of status quo in corrupt and fucked up political system.

Quigley says

While I understand the urge to shit on the Donald, since he is so very assholish, I can’t understand people who champion the Leftist cause. It’s unpatriotic, it’s unamerican, it’s anti- life, it’s frankly evil!

@Quigley I think the ultimate reason is that the leftist cause is simply a religion:

A basic feature of inclusiveness that explains a great deal of its power is its religious quality. Inclusiveness presents a vision of unity in a world without outsiders and without borders. one in which there is no "they" but only "we." That vision is seen as an overriding goal, always to be striven for, though never quite achieved. Inclusiveness thus functions as a religion, and indeed as the established religion that determines how things must be discussed and what can be treated as real. Every view must align with it to be legitimate, and those who express doubts-the Watsons and Summerses-are treated as heretics.

...

Other religions that want to remain socially acceptable must assimilate to inclusiveness and become something other than they were. Respectable Western Christianity has largely done so. In mainline churches, the Gospel is now said to be radically inclusive above all else. In that setting, as in society at large, inclusiveness has become a principle of justification that covers a multitude of sins. Whatever his other qualities, anyone can become superior to the traditionally moral by invoking it. The latter are presumed guilty of bigotry, an unforgivable sin that requires perpetual confession and atonement that are never sufficient to restore the offender's moral standing.

https://patrick.net/post/1314416/2018-03-14-how-the-diversity-regime-is-flattening-america-and-the-west-and-what-to-do-about-it

The leftist goal is actually to destroy the country and indeed all countries and borders, so that humans may all live in peace and harmony as generic consumers in globo-corporate paradise.

The left's vision of paradise corresponds very well with the deepest desires of the biggest shareholders in the stock markets, and so it is heavily funded by those shareholders. To the left, Trump represents the hell of distinct countries with distinct characteristics, delaying the coming of the borderless corporate paradise.

The leftist goal is actually to destroy the country and indeed all countries and borders, so that humans may all live in peace and harmony as generic consumers in globo-corporate paradise.

The left's vision of paradise corresponds very well with the deepest desires of the biggest shareholders in the stock markets, and so it is heavily funded by those shareholders. To the left, Trump represents the hell of distinct countries with distinct characteristics, delaying the coming of the borderless corporate paradise.

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Interesting take. What about the “right”? What is their goal and vision of paradise?

@errc there is no right. It’s an illusion, a deliberate farce. Or haven’t you been paying attention to #nevertrump and the extreme resistance he incurred by daring to be nationalist in spite of the globalist agenda championed by the “right?”

Trump has no political party, or at least his message doesn’t. Socially he’s left, fiscally he’s right, but the important bit is that nationally he’s American. When it comes to whether we tear down this country as both the Left and the Right have been doing to usher in the new corporate paradise, he says no.

Don’t worry I still think he’s an asshole and he is wrong on marijuana, but these are peripheral issues to the EXISTENTIAL issue of whether we remain as a nation or devolve into a corporate interest.

The Left's vision is simply this...eliminate all competition. Competing is hard and requires having winners and losers, but it's at the heart of evolving any species. Without it, you artificially support the weak, who thereby become entitled, and perpetuate further weakness in humanity. The Right drives to keep competition, but that's now viewed by the Left as immoral or harsh under the guise of charitable thinking. Little do the Left know that their "charity" is destroying our race (e.g., rise of the beta male, feminazis) only to leave women wondering, "Where are all the manly men??"