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errc says

Vermont is sparsely populated with the only city center type town being a college town on the Canadian border.

Wrong.

Vermont has lots of gun nutters. One of the most active NRA chapters is in Vermont, and they can own Class III NFA items (not available in California or New York).

Lots of Democrats = Lots of gun homicide

Goran_K says

errc says

Vermont is sparsely populated with the only city center type town being a college town on the Canadian border.

Wrong.

Vermont has lots of gun nutters. One of the most active NRA chapters is in Vermont, and they can own Class III NFA items (not available in California or New York).

Lots of Democrats = Lots of gun homicide

You quoted what i said, which was absolutely correct, bizarrely responded by falsely claiming i was wrong when it is easily verifiable, and then went off on some off topic tangent

Burlington has less than 50k residents, most of which are college kids

You’d be lucky to find any other towns with population larger than 10k

Not sure what comparisons you feel you can draw from Vermont, but it’s obvious you’ve never been and whatever you’re reading is confusing you

errc says

Goran_K says

errc says

Vermont is sparsely populated with the only city center type town being a college town on the Canadian border.

Wrong.

Vermont has lots of gun nutters. One of the most active NRA chapters is in Vermont, and they can own Class III NFA items (not available in California or New York).

Lots of Democrats = Lots of gun homicide

You quoted what i said, which was absolutely correct, bizarrely responded by falsely claiming i was wrong when it is easily verifiable, and then went off on some off topic tangent

Burlington has less than 50k residents, most of which are college kids

You’d be l...

So no response to the actual fact that where you find high populations of Democrats, you get sky high gun crime? Going to go onto a tangent about "Burlington having 50k residents"?

Okay!

If you disagree with the left, full force of left wing media goes to work to assault and destroy you. Yet somehow they think they stand for freedom.

Glad Trump won, someone needed to stop left wing propaganda and their anti American views.

FortWayne says

Glad Trump won, someone needed to stop left wing propaganda and their anti American views.

Just the damage Trump has done to the DNC and CNN's brand was all worth it.Everything else is icing on the cake.

The Democrat party has not seen lower opinion of its party according to Gallup EVER.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-democrats-taxes/index.html

Only 37% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Democrats, down from 44% in March of this year. A majority, 54%, have an unfavorable view, matching their highest mark in polls from CNN and SSRS, CNN/ORC and CNN/USA Today/Gallup stretching back to 1992.

Mind you, this was from a CNN poll. The true percentage is probably a lot lower.

As much as I can't stand SJW's and other zealous left-wing ideologues, I'm beginning to think that they serve a useful function. Namely, to counter-balance the right wing loonatics.

From now on, when I see a SJW, I'll just think: "Hey, this is the person that cancels out 2G+"

Goran_K says

Just the damage Trump has done to the DNC and CNN's brand was all worth it.Everything else is icing on the cake.

The Democrat party has not seen lower opinion of its party according to Gallup EVER.

Funny that they're winning elections in Alabama, rural PA, and all over Virginia. What's it say about the Republican brand if they are losing the generic ballot by 10 pts?

HappyGilmore says

Funny that they're winning elections in Alabama, rural PA, and all over Virginia. What's it say about the Republican brand if they are losing the generic ballot by 10 pts?

Special elections against weak candidates where the Democrat candidate was actually fairly moderate. I consider Conor Lamb a Joe Machin Democrat. Joe Machin voted for the "Stop Dangerous Sanctuary Cities Act ", and helped pass Trump's budget for fucks sake. Both support 2A, both support border security, both support immigration reform, both are not fervently anti-Trump. I have no problem with these "Democrats" holding office over some establishment Republican like Mccain or Flake.

is that really a win for leftist? I don't think so.

Also remember the DNC is the one that lost the most expensive House election of all-time.

2018 is the real barometer. So we'll see how the DNC will do when they are in debt, unable to attract donations, and have record low approval ratings.

against weak candidates

By weak candidates, you mean standard Republicans, endorsed by Trump?

errc says

against weak candidates

By weak candidates, you mean standard Republicans, endorsed by Trump?

As long as they vote the right way when it counts, I don't care if they have a (D) or an (R) before their name, that's the difference between me and partisan big party types.

Goran_K says

So no response to the actual fact that where you find high populations of Democrats, you get sky high gun crime?

I do not think that is the only variable. Austin, TX is very democratic and has little crime, so does El Paso TX - last one actually has one of lowest crime rates of big cities in US. Also, this shows that high gun concentrations does not mean high gun homicide rates - these are TX cities which means population is armed to teeth. One can also compare Chicago, IL with (politically purple and ethnically very mixed) Houston, TX which are about the same size. Heavily armed Houston has much less crime/shootings than Chicago with its gun restrictions.

It is overall pretty complicated to figure out all the reasons, but good economy correlates more with lack of crime/shootings than gun restrictions or even party affiliation.

For context:

Goran says : “Cherry picked point is cherry picked.

Take out all Democrat controlled inner cities and the gun homicide rate nationally is comparable to the UK and Australia per capita.

Vermont is a blue state and has very LOOSE gun crime statistics, much much lower than California per capita.

How do you explain that?”

Errc responds to Goran question: “Vermont is sparsely populated with the only city center type town being a college town on the Canadian border.

So lots of liberals, not so many gun nutters = low crime”.

Gorans question was answered. I easily explained that which confused him

But then, Goran falsely claimed that I was wrong.

Which I quickly proved with facts backing up my claim.

Then Goran moves the goal posts and instead of saying “i was wrong again, errc was right again, like every other time we’ve disagreed about something “, he goes on a tangent about Democrats

How do you expect civil conversation when this is how you act?

drB6 says

It is overall pretty complicated to figure out all the reasons, but good economy correlates more with lack of crime/shootings than gun restrictions or even party affiliation.

Sure there are many factors. But if weak gun restrictions is not an important factor, explain US vs other developed countries.

I'm not going to get into a troll trap.

If you can't answer the question of why all the heavy gun crime cities are Democrat dominated (and I'll be honest, most leftist wouldn't answer that question), then we can move on.

Goran_K says

Special elections against weak candidates where the Democrat candidate was actually fairly moderate. I consider Conor Lamb a Joe Machin Democrat. Joe Machin voted for the "Stop Dangerous Sanctuary Cities Act ", and helped pass Trump's budget for fucks sake. Both support 2A, both support border security, both support immigration reform, both are not fervently anti-Trump. I have no problem with these "Democrats" holding office over some establishment Republican like Mccain or Flake.

is that really a win for leftist? I don't think so.

Also remember the DNC is the one that lost the most expensive House election of all-time.

2018 is the real barometer. So we'll see how the DNC will do when they are in debt, unable to attract donations, and have record low approval ratings.

Did you see how much Republicans spent in the PA special election?? $13.3MM+. And lost. In a district they enjoy a +20 advantage. That is so unbelievable you cannot try to lessen the impact. It's why Reps are privately shitting their pants.

Lamb supports Obamacare. And unions. And wants to protect pensions. And wants to reduce inequality. He's a Dem.

Again--Dems are +10 in the generic ballot. Midterms are looking very good. At least 50/50 they take over the House.

drB6 says

I do not think that is the only variable. Austin, TX is very democratic and has little crime, so does El Paso TX - last one actually has one of lowest crime rates of big cities in US. Also, this shows that high gun concentrations does not mean high gun homicide rates - these are TX cities which means population is armed to teeth. One can also compare Chicago, IL with (politically purple and ethnically very mixed) Houston, TX which are about the same size. Heavily armed Houston has much less crime/shootings than Chicago with its gun restrictions.

It is overall pretty complicated to figure out all the reasons, but good economy correlates more with lack of crime/shootings than gun restrictions or even party affiliation.

I agree there is some nuance, but I still think the common denominator is still Democrat control. There's a reason the economy of Detroit, Baltimore, Cleveland, etc is in ruins, and why gun crime is sky high. Leftist policies in general tend to lead to hollowed out economies, or huge increases in debt, which in turn leads to a breakdown of social fabric.

HappyGilmore says

Did you see how much Republicans spent in the PA special election?? $13.3MM+. And lost. In a district they enjoy a +20 advantage. That is so unbelievable you cannot try to lessen the impact. It's why Reps are privately shitting their pants.

Lamb supports Obamacare. And unions. And wants to protect pensions. And wants to reduce inequality. He's a Dem.

Again--Dems are +10 in the generic ballot. Midterms are looking very good. At least 50/50 they take over the House.

Lamb is a 2A supporter, immigration reform supporter, who also supports lefty policies like ObamaCare, but also dislikes Pelosi and coastal elite Democrats. He's a moderate Dem like I said. That's the only reason he was competitive. Had a Pelosi or Kamala Harris run, they would have gotten blown out.

I don't consider him a loss for the country like I don't consider Joe Manchin a loss for the country. It's actually a big win that the Democrats are trying to run these moderate candidates, for everyone involved.

Goran_K says

errc says

against weak candidates

By weak candidates, you mean standard Republicans, endorsed by Trump?

As long as they vote the right way when it counts, I don't care if they have a (D) or an (R) before their name, that's the difference between me and partisan big party types.

Oh I had you confused with someone who said “leftists = Democrats “ and “leftists, never once, ever”, and was constantly criticizing democrats and only ever praising Republicans.

I’m politically agnostic myself, and you always seemed hyper partisan.

I voted Democrat in every Presidential election until 2008 when I started voting for Ron Paul. I've NEVER voted GOP in any presidential election. Obama turned the party into shit, and harmed the country enough that I left the party.

If the moderates came back, I wouldn't be against voting for them again, but as it is right now, the people who hold power in the Democrat party are hardened marxist. I would never vote for any of the Pelosi, Schumer types.

Goran_K says

I'm not going to get into a troll trap.

If you can't answer the question of why all the heavy gun crime cities are Democrat dominated (and I'll be honest, most leftist wouldn't answer that question), then we can move on.

Don’t troll, and you won’t trap yourself.

I reject the premise that “all the heavy gun crime cities are Democrat dominated”. I was helping you clean that up, first. You cannot just posit something based on a failed premise, and then ask others why they cannot answer questions on the matter.

Goran_K says

If you can't answer the question

He answered your question perfectly well. If you can't or refuse to understand the answer, then we certainly can't move on.

I'm wondering why he even bothers...

Goran_K says

Democrats/leftist are the most racist people in the country (fought to maintain slavery, formed the KKK, invented a new slavery via LBJ's "great society" movement, their entire identity politics platform).

Goran_K says

I voted Democrat in every Presidential election until 2008

LOL

errc says

Don’t troll, and you won’t trap yourself.

I reject the premise that “all the heavy gun crime cities are Democrat dominated”. I was helping you clean that up, first. You cannot just posit something based on a failed premise, and then ask others why they cannot answer questions on the matter.

You can reject it all you want. But you still haven't explained why this graph looks the way it does.

Did you learn about slavery, KKK and LBJ in 2008?

FP says

LOL

Never said I was perfect.

btw, keep your comments focused on topic, not the individual. I had to nuke another one of your comments.

FP says

Did you learn about slavery, KKK and LBJ in 2008?

Yes, I discovered a lot of the dirtiness behind the DNC around that time. I saw Obama engage in one of the most race baiting campaigns I've ever seen a presidential candidate run. It made me wonder why I was part of the party. I did a lot of reading, and made the decision to leave the party.

Goran_K says

btw, keep your comments focused on topic, not the individual. I had to nuke another one of your comments.

Don't tell me what to do. My comment should, at most, mirror yours.

@patrick

I'm not telling you what to do, just enforcing rules. You're on the borderline with your comments when it comes to making them personal. If you cut it out, I don't ever have to get rid of your comments. Just relax, it's not that serious.

@Patrick

Goran continues to delete comments that do not violate the rules. When are you going to do anything about it?

When are you going to delete his comment with personal attack against me? I am still waiting. Please follow your own rules.

Since my comments are being deleted for no good reason, until you solve your moderator problem, I'll include @patrick in all my comments.

Goran_K says

I'm not telling you what to do, just enforcing rules

I don't violate the rules any more than you do and you are lying. We established this for a fact yesterday.

@Patrick

FP says

@Patrick

Goran continues to delete comments that do not violate the rules. When are you going to do anything about it?

When are you going to delete his comment with personal attack against me? I am still waiting. Please follow your own rules.

Since my comments are being deleted for no good reason, until you solve your moderator problem, I'll include @patrick in all my comments.

There’s a pattern here. Tread lightly. You don’t seem willing to blow Trump, so ypu will be treated as on the opposing team

Patrick says

FP says

That's what I wish too. So please restore my comment, which Goran deleted , and delete Goran's attack against me.

@FP Deleted comments are really gone, since backups happen at night.

Can you just repost it? Please do not make it about Goran or about any other user, or about all patrick.net users.

@patrick,

I did repost it yesterday (by memory) and he has deleted it again. Please restore it from you overnight backup and deal with your moderator.

Do you wish your site to be moderated by people who apply and violate the rules selectively.

errc says

Tread lightly.

Nah, I'll just expose hypocrisy and dishonesty (I'm smart enough to be able to do it within the rules) until something breaks one way or another. I'm enjoying it and this is what this site used to be about once upon a time. @patrick

I suspect FP will be the next to lose the ability to post threads and will have all his comments go immediately to moderation...

Goran_K says

Yes, I discovered a lot of the dirtiness behind the DNC around that time. I saw Obama engage in one of the most race baiting campaigns I've ever seen a presidential candidate run. It made me wonder why I was part of the party. I did a lot of reading, and made the decision to leave the party.

I don't expect you actually want to learn, but just in case, here is some good material for you:

https://medium.com/everyvote/how-the-republicans-and-democrats-switched-on-civil-rights-in-5-racist-steps-92c1b41480b

https://forwardprogressives.com/the-truth-about-republican-racism-and-the-southern-strategy/

I can provide some more if you want to further your learning. Just let me know.

I'm just about to ban the fucking word "you".

Don't want to read anything about any user.

Except moderators do indeed have the right to ask users to stop talking about other users. Goran is doing a fine job.

Patrick says

Except moderators do indeed have the right to ask users to stop talking about other users.

@patrick,

Yes, but we have a case where a moderator is: (1) talking about other users, (2) does not allow to be asked by others to stop talking about other uses, (3) deletes comments that do not violate the rules, and (4) lies about the latter.

Furthermore, addressing somebody, or asking somebody a question, is not the same as talking about them.

I looked at Goran's comments and they look OK to me.

I get notified of comments marked "personal" and nearly all of them are indeed personal.

FP says

Goran_K says

Democrats/leftist are the most racist people in the country (fought to maintain slavery, formed the KKK, invented a new slavery via LBJ's "great society" movement, their entire identity politics platform).

Goran_K says

I voted Democrat in every Presidential election until 2008

LOL

@FP I want to keep this in my records. I'll just repost it in resppnse to attacks against democaats/leftists/liberals. Thanks Goran!

Patrick says

I looked at Goran's comments and they look OK to me.

I get notified of comments marked "personal" and nearly all of them are indeed personal.

@Patrick,

What was "personal" in the comments that he deleted?

How is the coment that I asked you repeatedly to delete not personal? He claims that I have insulted him. Where was the insult in my comment (I reposted it)?

He is writing again above that I'm commenting about other users. This is an insinuation (which is a personal attack!). How are my comments any worse than his?

Please follow your own rules and prevent personal attacks by your moderator.