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Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?
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2018 Mar 19, 8:38am 55,104 views 277 comments
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 9:40am
Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 9:40am
drB6 says
I agree there is some nuance, but I still think the common denominator is still Democrat control. There's a reason the economy of Detroit, Baltimore, Cleveland, etc is in ruins, and why gun crime is sky high. Leftist policies in general tend to lead to hollowed out economies, or huge increases in debt, which in turn leads to a breakdown of social fabric.
I do not think that is the only variable. Austin, TX is very democratic and has little crime, so does El Paso TX - last one actually has one of lowest crime rates of big cities in US. Also, this shows that high gun concentrations does not mean high gun homicide rates - these are TX cities which means population is armed to teeth. One can also compare Chicago, IL with (politically purple and ethnically very mixed) Houston, TX which are about the same size. Heavily armed Houston has much less crime/shootings than Chicago with its gun restrictions.
It is overall pretty complicated to figure out all the reasons, but good economy correlates more with lack of crime/shootings than gun restrictions or even party affiliation.
I agree there is some nuance, but I still think the common denominator is still Democrat control. There's a reason the economy of Detroit, Baltimore, Cleveland, etc is in ruins, and why gun crime is sky high. Leftist policies in general tend to lead to hollowed out economies, or huge increases in debt, which in turn leads to a breakdown of social fabric.
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 9:43am
Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 9:43am
HappyGilmore says
Lamb is a 2A supporter, immigration reform supporter, who also supports lefty policies like ObamaCare, but also dislikes Pelosi and coastal elite Democrats. He's a moderate Dem like I said. That's the only reason he was competitive. Had a Pelosi or Kamala Harris run, they would have gotten blown out.
I don't consider him a loss for the country like I don't consider Joe Manchin a loss for the country. It's actually a big win that the Democrats are trying to run these moderate candidates, for everyone involved.
Did you see how much Republicans spent in the PA special election?? $13.3MM+. And lost. In a district they enjoy a +20 advantage. That is so unbelievable you cannot try to lessen the impact. It's why Reps are privately shitting their pants.
Lamb supports Obamacare. And unions. And wants to protect pensions. And wants to reduce inequality. He's a Dem.
Again--Dems are +10 in the generic ballot. Midterms are looking very good. At least 50/50 they take over the House.
Lamb is a 2A supporter, immigration reform supporter, who also supports lefty policies like ObamaCare, but also dislikes Pelosi and coastal elite Democrats. He's a moderate Dem like I said. That's the only reason he was competitive. Had a Pelosi or Kamala Harris run, they would have gotten blown out.
I don't consider him a loss for the country like I don't consider Joe Manchin a loss for the country. It's actually a big win that the Democrats are trying to run these moderate candidates, for everyone involved.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 9:44am
Goran_K says
Oh I had you confused with someone who said “leftists = Democrats “ and “leftists, never once, ever”, and was constantly criticizing democrats and only ever praising Republicans.
I’m politically agnostic myself, and you always seemed hyper partisan.
errc saysagainst weak candidates
By weak candidates, you mean standard Republicans, endorsed by Trump?
As long as they vote the right way when it counts, I don't care if they have a (D) or an (R) before their name, that's the difference between me and partisan big party types.
Oh I had you confused with someone who said “leftists = Democrats “ and “leftists, never once, ever”, and was constantly criticizing democrats and only ever praising Republicans.
I’m politically agnostic myself, and you always seemed hyper partisan.
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 9:46am
Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 9:46am
I voted Democrat in every Presidential election until 2008 when I started voting for Ron Paul. I've NEVER voted GOP in any presidential election. Obama turned the party into shit, and harmed the country enough that I left the party.
If the moderates came back, I wouldn't be against voting for them again, but as it is right now, the people who hold power in the Democrat party are hardened marxist. I would never vote for any of the Pelosi, Schumer types.
If the moderates came back, I wouldn't be against voting for them again, but as it is right now, the people who hold power in the Democrat party are hardened marxist. I would never vote for any of the Pelosi, Schumer types.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 9:54am
Goran_K says
Don’t troll, and you won’t trap yourself.
I reject the premise that “all the heavy gun crime cities are Democrat dominated”. I was helping you clean that up, first. You cannot just posit something based on a failed premise, and then ask others why they cannot answer questions on the matter.
I'm not going to get into a troll trap.
If you can't answer the question of why all the heavy gun crime cities are Democrat dominated (and I'll be honest, most leftist wouldn't answer that question), then we can move on.
Don’t troll, and you won’t trap yourself.
I reject the premise that “all the heavy gun crime cities are Democrat dominated”. I was helping you clean that up, first. You cannot just posit something based on a failed premise, and then ask others why they cannot answer questions on the matter.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 10:01am
Goran_K says
He answered your question perfectly well. If you can't or refuse to understand the answer, then we certainly can't move on.
I'm wondering why he even bothers...
If you can't answer the question
He answered your question perfectly well. If you can't or refuse to understand the answer, then we certainly can't move on.
I'm wondering why he even bothers...
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 10:07am
Goran_K says
Goran_K says
LOL
Democrats/leftist are the most racist people in the country (fought to maintain slavery, formed the KKK, invented a new slavery via LBJ's "great society" movement, their entire identity politics platform).
Goran_K says
I voted Democrat in every Presidential election until 2008
LOL
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 10:08am
Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 10:08am
errc says
You can reject it all you want. But you still haven't explained why this graph looks the way it does.
Don’t troll, and you won’t trap yourself.
I reject the premise that “all the heavy gun crime cities are Democrat dominated”. I was helping you clean that up, first. You cannot just posit something based on a failed premise, and then ask others why they cannot answer questions on the matter.
You can reject it all you want. But you still haven't explained why this graph looks the way it does.
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 10:09am
Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 10:09am
FP says
Never said I was perfect.
btw, keep your comments focused on topic, not the individual. I had to nuke another one of your comments.
LOL
Never said I was perfect.
btw, keep your comments focused on topic, not the individual. I had to nuke another one of your comments.
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 10:11am
Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 10:11am
FP says
Yes, I discovered a lot of the dirtiness behind the DNC around that time. I saw Obama engage in one of the most race baiting campaigns I've ever seen a presidential candidate run. It made me wonder why I was part of the party. I did a lot of reading, and made the decision to leave the party.
Did you learn about slavery, KKK and LBJ in 2008?
Yes, I discovered a lot of the dirtiness behind the DNC around that time. I saw Obama engage in one of the most race baiting campaigns I've ever seen a presidential candidate run. It made me wonder why I was part of the party. I did a lot of reading, and made the decision to leave the party.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 10:14am
Goran_K says
Don't tell me what to do. My comment should, at most, mirror yours.
@patrick
btw, keep your comments focused on topic, not the individual. I had to nuke another one of your comments.
Don't tell me what to do. My comment should, at most, mirror yours.
@patrick
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 10:17am
Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 10:17am
I'm not telling you what to do, just enforcing rules. You're on the borderline with your comments when it comes to making them personal. If you cut it out, I don't ever have to get rid of your comments. Just relax, it's not that serious.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 10:18am
@Patrick
Goran continues to delete comments that do not violate the rules. When are you going to do anything about it?
When are you going to delete his comment with personal attack against me? I am still waiting. Please follow your own rules.
Since my comments are being deleted for no good reason, until you solve your moderator problem, I'll include @patrick in all my comments.
Goran continues to delete comments that do not violate the rules. When are you going to do anything about it?
When are you going to delete his comment with personal attack against me? I am still waiting. Please follow your own rules.
Since my comments are being deleted for no good reason, until you solve your moderator problem, I'll include @patrick in all my comments.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 10:21am
Goran_K says
I don't violate the rules any more than you do and you are lying. We established this for a fact yesterday.
@Patrick
I'm not telling you what to do, just enforcing rules
I don't violate the rules any more than you do and you are lying. We established this for a fact yesterday.
@Patrick
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 10:26am
FP says
There’s a pattern here. Tread lightly. You don’t seem willing to blow Trump, so ypu will be treated as on the opposing team
@Patrick
Goran continues to delete comments that do not violate the rules. When are you going to do anything about it?
When are you going to delete his comment with personal attack against me? I am still waiting. Please follow your own rules.
Since my comments are being deleted for no good reason, until you solve your moderator problem, I'll include @patrick in all my comments.
There’s a pattern here. Tread lightly. You don’t seem willing to blow Trump, so ypu will be treated as on the opposing team
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 10:31am
Patrick says
@patrick,
I did repost it yesterday (by memory) and he has deleted it again. Please restore it from you overnight backup and deal with your moderator.
Do you wish your site to be moderated by people who apply and violate the rules selectively.
FP saysThat's what I wish too. So please restore my comment, which Goran deleted , and delete Goran's attack against me.
@FP Deleted comments are really gone, since backups happen at night.
Can you just repost it? Please do not make it about Goran or about any other user, or about all patrick.net users.
@patrick,
I did repost it yesterday (by memory) and he has deleted it again. Please restore it from you overnight backup and deal with your moderator.
Do you wish your site to be moderated by people who apply and violate the rules selectively.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 10:38am
errc says
Nah, I'll just expose hypocrisy and dishonesty (I'm smart enough to be able to do it within the rules) until something breaks one way or another. I'm enjoying it and this is what this site used to be about once upon a time. @patrick
Tread lightly.
Nah, I'll just expose hypocrisy and dishonesty (I'm smart enough to be able to do it within the rules) until something breaks one way or another. I'm enjoying it and this is what this site used to be about once upon a time. @patrick
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 20, 10:41am
I suspect FP will be the next to lose the ability to post threads and will have all his comments go immediately to moderation...
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 20, 10:46am
Goran_K says
I don't expect you actually want to learn, but just in case, here is some good material for you:
https://medium.com/everyvote/how-the-republicans-and-democrats-switched-on-civil-rights-in-5-racist-steps-92c1b41480b
https://forwardprogressives.com/the-truth-about-republican-racism-and-the-southern-strategy/
I can provide some more if you want to further your learning. Just let me know.
Yes, I discovered a lot of the dirtiness behind the DNC around that time. I saw Obama engage in one of the most race baiting campaigns I've ever seen a presidential candidate run. It made me wonder why I was part of the party. I did a lot of reading, and made the decision to leave the party.
I don't expect you actually want to learn, but just in case, here is some good material for you:
https://medium.com/everyvote/how-the-republicans-and-democrats-switched-on-civil-rights-in-5-racist-steps-92c1b41480b
https://forwardprogressives.com/the-truth-about-republican-racism-and-the-southern-strategy/
I can provide some more if you want to further your learning. Just let me know.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 20, 10:51am
Patrick
2018 Mar 20, 10:51am
I'm just about to ban the fucking word "you".
Don't want to read anything about any user.
Except moderators do indeed have the right to ask users to stop talking about other users. Goran is doing a fine job.
Don't want to read anything about any user.
Except moderators do indeed have the right to ask users to stop talking about other users. Goran is doing a fine job.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 10:57am
Patrick says
@patrick,
Yes, but we have a case where a moderator is: (1) talking about other users, (2) does not allow to be asked by others to stop talking about other uses, (3) deletes comments that do not violate the rules, and (4) lies about the latter.
Furthermore, addressing somebody, or asking somebody a question, is not the same as talking about them.
Except moderators do indeed have the right to ask users to stop talking about other users.
@patrick,
Yes, but we have a case where a moderator is: (1) talking about other users, (2) does not allow to be asked by others to stop talking about other uses, (3) deletes comments that do not violate the rules, and (4) lies about the latter.
Furthermore, addressing somebody, or asking somebody a question, is not the same as talking about them.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 20, 11:03am
Patrick
2018 Mar 20, 11:03am
I looked at Goran's comments and they look OK to me.
I get notified of comments marked "personal" and nearly all of them are indeed personal.
I get notified of comments marked "personal" and nearly all of them are indeed personal.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 11:07am
FP says
@FP I want to keep this in my records. I'll just repost it in resppnse to attacks against democaats/leftists/liberals. Thanks Goran!
Goran_K saysDemocrats/leftist are the most racist people in the country (fought to maintain slavery, formed the KKK, invented a new slavery via LBJ's "great society" movement, their entire identity politics platform).
Goran_K saysI voted Democrat in every Presidential election until 2008
LOL
@FP I want to keep this in my records. I'll just repost it in resppnse to attacks against democaats/leftists/liberals. Thanks Goran!
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 11:08am
Patrick says
@Patrick,
What was "personal" in the comments that he deleted?
How is the coment that I asked you repeatedly to delete not personal? He claims that I have insulted him. Where was the insult in my comment (I reposted it)?
He is writing again above that I'm commenting about other users. This is an insinuation (which is a personal attack!). How are my comments any worse than his?
Please follow your own rules and prevent personal attacks by your moderator.
I looked at Goran's comments and they look OK to me.
I get notified of comments marked "personal" and nearly all of them are indeed personal.
@Patrick,
What was "personal" in the comments that he deleted?
How is the coment that I asked you repeatedly to delete not personal? He claims that I have insulted him. Where was the insult in my comment (I reposted it)?
He is writing again above that I'm commenting about other users. This is an insinuation (which is a personal attack!). How are my comments any worse than his?
Please follow your own rules and prevent personal attacks by your moderator.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 11:18am
FP says
@FP keep this too
Except moderators do indeed have the right to ask users to stop talking about other users.
@patrick,
Yes, but we have a case where a moderator is: (1) talking about other users, (2) does not allow to be asked by others to stop talking about other uses, (3) deletes comments that do not violate the rules, and (4) lies about the latter.
Furthermore, addressing somebody, or asking somebody a question, is not the same as talking about them.
@FP keep this too
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 11:32am
HappyGilmore says
Fair and Balanced
Liberals ruined everything
I suspect FP will be the next to lose the ability to post threads and will have all his comments go immediately to moderation...
Fair and Balanced
Liberals ruined everything
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 11:35am
Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 11:35am
had to do some work, read through the newest comments, and STILL haven't seen any response to this graph.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 11:37am
Patrick says
A bang up job, indeed.
Why do so many people keep complaining about him, it’s wierd that they cannot see that he is Fair and Balanced, and always very genuine and honest
I'm just about to ban the fucking word "you".
Don't want to read anything about any user.
Except moderators do indeed have the right to ask users to stop talking about other users. Goran is doing a fine job.
A bang up job, indeed.
Why do so many people keep complaining about him, it’s wierd that they cannot see that he is Fair and Balanced, and always very genuine and honest
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Shaman
2018 Mar 20, 11:38am
Shaman
2018 Mar 20, 11:38am
Leftists don’t like reason or facts. They mostly enjoy bullying and intimidation, spiced with a side of dogma and groupthink.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 11:43am
Goran_K says
Maybe it was deleted.
had to do some work, read through the newest comments, and STILL haven't seen any response to this graph.
Maybe it was deleted.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 11:49am
FP says
Everyone knows this
The worst is the phony coward right wingers who are too ashamed to admit that they’re halfwits so they call themselves Libertarians. Lmao
Right wingers are imbeciles.
Everyone knows this
The worst is the phony coward right wingers who are too ashamed to admit that they’re halfwits so they call themselves Libertarians. Lmao
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 11:50am
Goran_K says
What are you confused about, it seems rather straightforward
had to do some work, read through the newest comments, and STILL haven't seen any response to this graph.
What are you confused about, it seems rather straightforward
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 12:01pm
errc says
But do you think they, being so dumb, are aware of this fact? Because if not, I can challenge some of them to an IQ competition and they may fall for it. It will be easy money. I think they like betting too.
Everyone knows this
But do you think they, being so dumb, are aware of this fact? Because if not, I can challenge some of them to an IQ competition and they may fall for it. It will be easy money. I think they like betting too.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 12:04pm
FP says
No it’s fairly obvious they aren’t very self aware, otherwise they wouldn’t be right wing pawns. And you could try, but they don’t have money to wager, and even if they did, their word is shit so impossible to have a Gentleman’s wager with people lacking any constitution
errc saysEveryone knows this
But do you think they, being so dumb, are aware of this fact? Because if not, I can challenge some of them to an IQ competition and they may fall for it. It will be easy money. I think they like betting too.
No it’s fairly obvious they aren’t very self aware, otherwise they wouldn’t be right wing pawns. And you could try, but they don’t have money to wager, and even if they did, their word is shit so impossible to have a Gentleman’s wager with people lacking any constitution
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 12:10pm
errc says
Yes, you are right. They are very dishonest and hypocritical. Which is quite ironic since these are two of the characteristics of SJW's and the PC movement against which they rage so much. But dumb is dumb, what can you do?
their word is shit
Yes, you are right. They are very dishonest and hypocritical. Which is quite ironic since these are two of the characteristics of SJW's and the PC movement against which they rage so much. But dumb is dumb, what can you do?
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Bd6r
2018 Mar 20, 12:12pm
Bd6r
2018 Mar 20, 12:12pm
FP says
Might be higher income inequality in US and more ethnically and racially mixed population.
Edit: and a good case in point is actually El Paso, which is ethnically homogeneous (>90% Hispanic) and has very low crime.
explain US vs other developed countries
Might be higher income inequality in US and more ethnically and racially mixed population.
Edit: and a good case in point is actually El Paso, which is ethnically homogeneous (>90% Hispanic) and has very low crime.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 12:23pm
drB6 says
Might be this, might be that. Anything but guns.
You were in academia, right? What's your discipline? It's not physics right?
FP saysexplain US vs other developed countries
Might be higher income inequality in US and more ethnically and racially mixed population.
Edit: and a good case in point is actually El Paso, which is ethnically homogeneous (>90% Hispanic) and has very low crime.
Might be this, might be that. Anything but guns.
You were in academia, right? What's your discipline? It's not physics right?
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Accusing others of being child killers for disagreeing about gun rights -OR- suggesting disagreement can only stem from ignorance or racism or both. This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.
Our forum has become an interesting case study in the leftists psychology. It is the product of $billions worth of propaganda blasting soft minds with news, and nonstop Hollywood bigotry against wrongthink. The Nazi's would be jealous of the righteousness seen in today's left, and even more jealous of the glee with which the left today enacts its fascist, anti-wrongthink agenda