patrick.net

Sniper says

google.com

So, they were made up then. Typical

Why can't Trump Supporters and Gun nuts every have a productive conversation without inserting strawmen arguments and outright lies?

HappyGilmore says

sources for those supposed lies?

Here's one.

Bizarre Video: David Hogg Says Sister Lost 4 Friends, Then 2…Then 3?

Video shared on social media shows anti-gun activist David Hogg reporting three different accounts on the deaths of his sister’s friends.

In the video, the Marjory Stoneman Douglas student can be seen describing three different accounts of his sister’s friends’ deaths.

In the beginning of the video (Feb. 17), Hogg says during a speech his sister lost four friends.

“Sadly, my sister lost four of her friends…”

In the next clip (Feb. 15), he says his sister lost two friends.

“However, my sister – who’s a freshman here – she had two of her, like, best friends die.”

In yet another clip (Feb. 16), Hogg says his sister actually lost three friends.

“The amount of deaths I’ve had to deal with, with my sister having three of her best friends die.”

In the final clip (Feb. 15), Hogg says his sister lost two friends.

“And then, my sister – she’s a freshman – and she had two of her best friends die.”

Independent investigator Laura Loomer was banned from Facebook on Monday for sharing the video and calling Hogg a “liar”.

https://www.infowars.com/bizarre-video-david-hogg-says-sister-lost-4-best-friends-then-2-then-3/

socal2 says

Responsible and sober Liberals should be counseling these kids instead of letting them go out and be as hyperbolic as possible.

I don't think Liberals and gun-grabbers realize how bad this is hurting their cause.

I agree that type of language is over the top and not helpful.

But you're wrong if you think it's hurting the cause. Those kids have done more for that cause than has been done in the last 20 years.

The whole thing is Fake News.

The kids are put in front of the cameras while aged Progressives run the show with big Hollywood money.

There's been almost no interviews of the survivors who weren't Left Wing Radicals.

And the son doesn't fall far from the tree with arrogance mixed with ineptitude - his father Kevin Hogg was an FBI agent.

HappyGilmore says

sources for those supposed lies?

Try this:

David Hogg Changes Story, Wasn’t At School When Cruz Opened Fire.

In a not-yet-released CBS Documentary, David Hogg, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student who has become the face of the gun control movement, changes his entire story and admits that he was not at the school during the event.

In a Time interview done within hours of the shooting Hogg recounted, “Our first response was ‘that sounded a lot like a gun shot’ and we closed the door.” Hogg claimed that he was in his AP enviromental science class during the shooting. He also made videos of himself and other students, regarding gun control, purportedly while the shooting was going on.

But CBS News has released some transcripts from its “39 Days” documentary, in which student David Hogg is quoted.

“On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and rode as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting,” Hogg said in his CBS News interview.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/breaking-david-hogg-changes-story-wasnt-school-cruz-opened-fire/

Yes, it can be difficult when being shot at to determine if you're in a classroom or miles away at home. When you're a blatant liar, these small details can slip by.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/david-hogg-conspiracy-theory-explained-144917479.html

"Red State printed an update on its article and the author apologized, but the updated story received only a fraction of the engagement that the original post had on Facebook. Big League Politics, meanwhile, was still pushing the conspiracy theory after 9 a.m. Tuesday. Infowars was also posting the story on Tuesday morning.
Fans of both sites were still swallowing up the stories."

Sniper is clearly one of those fans.

HappyGilmore says

conspiracy theory

Sniper says

In a Time interview done within hours of the shooting Hogg recounted,

Sniper says

But CBS News has released some transcripts

So Happy, you're saying that Time and CBS News are conspiracy organizations and they "doctor up" transcripts and videos?

socal2 says

HappyGilmore says

Do you have a link to that quote?

Sure - here is a super-cut of Hogg.

The dude is a strident foul-mouthed moron. Even my gun grabbing liberal mother-in-law can't stand him and says he is turning people off.
www.youtube.com/embed/8aYUOqZrhos

She's right. The kid is insufferable. He's a straight shill w an enormous ego. Since he was rejected from merely ok schools like UC Irvine, his new goal is to take a gap year to "change the world." All the while he accuses anyone who disagrees as having "blood of dead children" on their hands. Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance. This kids offers nothing but theatrics to the tyrants.

He's a terrible influence

CBOEtrader says

All the while he accuses anyone who disagrees as having "blood of dead children" on their hands. Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance. This kids offers nothing but theatrics to the tyrants.

No--he accuses Congresspeople who are bought and paid for by the NRA as having the blood of dead children on their hands.

Like I said--I don't agree with the hyperbole, but at least get it right. No need for you to exaggerate and remove nuance too.

HappyGilmore says

Congresspeople who are bought and paid for by the NRA

You mean those congresspeople who support the 2nd A?

HappyGilmore says

I don't agree with the hyperbole

Lol! and yet you speak in hyperbole.

HappyGilmore says

but at least get it right.

I did. The kid uses inclusive phrasing such as "what type of person chooses guns over childrens lives" and "our old ass parents don't know how to use a democracy."

He's a pure corporate shill, and a terrible influence.

HappyGilmore says

No--he accuses Congresspeople who are bought and paid for by the NRA as having the blood of dead children on their hands.

Like I said--I don't agree with the hyperbole, but at least get it right. No need for you to exaggerate and remove nuance too.

See - this insufferably smug moron of a kid even has you aping the same crazy rhetoric..........saying Republicans and the NRA have blood on their hands. All the while Hogg and his buddies actually defend the total incompetence and cowardice of their local sheriff's department and the FBI failing to do something despite a gazillions signs and warnings that Cruz was going to shoot up a school.

Talk about having blood on one's hands!

Meanwhile, despite a month straight of our liberal media giving these kids non-stop coverage to bash the NRA, gun owners and Republicans.......

*Poll: 58 percent say gun ownership increases safety*
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna859231?__twitter_impression=true

HappyGilmore says

No--he accuses Congresspeople who are bought and paid for by the NRA as having the blood of dead children on their hands.

Believing what a spoiled 17 year old brat, who is clueless on life, is saying to the world,

Will the Liberals EVER get a clue?

Sniper says

Believing what a spoiled 17 year old brat, who is clueless on life, is saying to the world,

Will the Liberals EVER get a clue?

Liberals listen and verify by checking the facts. In this case, Rubio has taken a great deal of $$ from the NRA and his voting record seems to indicate this cash bought his loyalty.

The real clueless ones are the guys who believe whatever nonsense they read on redstate or bigleaguepolitics. How many times can Trump supporters fall for the same BS lies? I guess a lot--otherwise there wouldn't be so many websites that pander to them.

HappyGilmore says

Liberals listen and verify by checking the facts.

The "facts" posted daily on WaPo and NYT?

Those "facts"??

errc says

Abortion survivors? Lol wtf

Yes - it's a thing.
http://theabortionsurvivors.com/

Then there are the hundreds of thousands of children who were adopted as opposed to being aborted.

Not to mention humans born with Downs Syndrome who were given the chance to live.

www.youtube.com/embed/yQJEoRhkapw

Squeal like a Pig Hogg!

Everything that little punk says is Hogg Wash.

Are Liberals getting tired of face palming yet?

I'm going to fart so loud he leaves the State.
Little snowflake punk.

I live in South Florida if I ever see that punk in public I'm going to Fart Rape the fuck out of that little Homo bitch.

Tenpoundbass says

Everything that little punk says is Hogg Wash.

Are Liberals getting tired of face palming yet?

Hogg Yesterday: "Fucking NRA BLood on Your Handz The Revolution is Coming We are Taking YOUR GUNS! We are the future!! Tremble with Fear you pathetic fools!!'
Hogg Today: "I'm just a kid, everybody boycott people who make fun of meeeeeee Waaaaah."

AltLeft Everyday: "Take these kids seriously."

Oh, the old days, when there was only a daily paper and some news channels, and it was easy to create the illusion that something totally nuts was reasonable and you were the only one of a handful aside from a tiny handful of people on some BBS or usenet forum who saw through the BS.

Thank God the Legacy Media Brainwash is Kaput from Competition by two-way communications tools.

CBOEtrader says

He's a pure corporate shill, and a terrible influence.

He's a wonderful influence. Now the dumbass 60s era rejects and professional activists who haven't been outside LA, DC, and NY in 30 years certainly think so.

You know, the kind of brilliant people who lost a rigged election, despite raising almost double the money, will the Legacy Media running 90% negative stories against their gal's opponent, with help from the FBI getting FISA warrants on fake info from their Oppo Research PR Firm to smear a candidate.

Let them keep on thinking so.

RafiMaas says

Soundss like Hogg has got rightists panties in a bunch.

The opposite. I get uncomfortable from a FREEDOM! boner, knowing he's turned another person away from the dark side with his puerile smug stupidity.

Never interrupt your enemies when they're putting on a clown show, digging deeper, and thinking their mistakes are the pathway to Victory.

RafiMaas says

Soundss like Hogg has got rightists panties in a bunch.

Sounds like Leftist are sheep and lemmings and will follow clueless Hogg right off the cliff.

Just wait until Cruz starts talking.

All these swarmy drama kids who think they're hot shit - it's gonna turn out they were the worst bullies of Cruz out of all of them, and thus, partially responsible for the whole thing.

Goodbye, moral superiority.

errc says

Abortion survivors? Lol wtf

Yeah. You know the thing that ends dozens of lives for every life ended by gun crime. Yes, that thing.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The opposite. I get uncomfortable from a FREEDOM! boner, knowing he's turned another person away from the dark side with his puerile smug stupidity.

Never interrupt your enemies when they're putting on a clown show, digging deeper, and thinking their mistakes are the pathway to Victory.

lol. It is amazing that Trump supporters are in such a bubble that they have no idea how these issues are really playing in the country. All they know is how their extreme base reacts.

Here's a little real data:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380443-students-leading-gun-violence-protests-seen-more-favorably-than

"A majority of respondents, 56 percent, see the students of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who organized Saturday's March for Our Lives, in a positive light, compared to 34 percent who say they have an unfavorable view of them.
By comparison, only 39 percent of voters have a favorable opinion of the NRA, the powerful gun rights lobbying group that has vehemently opposed the student-led protests. Forty-four percent of respondents have a negative view."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/379939-ap-poll-finds-highest-support-for-gun-control-in-five-years

"Nearly 7 in 10 adults surveyed in the Associated Press–NORC poll are now in favor of stronger gun control laws, the highest measure of support in the five years the AP has asked the question. Overall, 69 percent of those polled favored stricter gun control measures, a large jump from the 55 percent who indicated support in an October 2013 poll."

This is a NOT a winning issue for Republicans. But, by all means, keep mocking high school kids! Keep calling them names!

I'm sure suburban soccer Moms will react favorably to that...

HappyGilmore says

, Rubio has taken a great deal of $$ from the NRA a

How much?

Nice that a poster asks me an easily answered question but ignores me so I can't respond to him. I guess that's how Trump supporters roll these days. Very trollish behavior.

But, in any event, here's a source with Rubio's NRA money.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/marco-rubio-took-millions-from-nra-did-nothing-to-prevent-parkland-10089415

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/opinion/thoughts-prayers-nra-funding-senators.html

Rubio--$3.3MM

HappyGilmore says

This is a NOT a winning issue

The blind masses have often been against the constitution. That's the point of the constitution. The idiot masses are not supposed to be able to tread on your sovereign individual rights

errc says

Ends dozens of lives

Dozens per gun crime death, yes. Abortion is thus a far larger moral issue.

HappyGilmore says

But, in any event, here's a source with Rubio's NRA money.

Why does it matter if voters pool capital to support guns rights and political proponents of those rights?

The extreme left has proven the value of an NRA membership. I don't own any guns, but I may join the nra today because the 2nd amendment is both of vital importance and under attack.

CBOEtrader says

Why does it matter if voters pool capital to support guns rights and political proponents of those rights?

The extreme left has proven the value of an NRA membership. I don't own any guns, but I may join the nra today because the 2nd amendment is both of vital importance and under attack.

It matters if that money is used to buy votes. That's illegal.

Planned parenthood alone performs abortions equaling about 10x the gun crime death rate each year.

CBOEtrader says

The blind masses have often been against the constitution. That's the point of the constitution. The idiot masses are not supposed to be able to tread on your sovereign individual rights

I don't think anyone is against the right for militias to bear arms. So, really, nobody is against the Constitution.

HappyGilmore says

I don't think anyone is against the right for militias to bear arms. So, really, nobody is against the Constitution.

As long as the current population uses muskets, and not the currently available firearms, right?

Sniper says

As long as the current population uses muskets, and not the currently available firearms, right?

The current population is irrelevant. We're talking about militias.

HappyGilmore says

It matters if that money is used to buy votes. That's illegal.

Define "buy votes". The NRA collects money from millions of americans and gives money to 2nd A proponents. Period. It's as democratic and grassroots as a political organization gets.

CBOEtrader says

Define "buy votes".

Giving money to a candidate in return for a guarantee that he/she will vote in the way you tell them to.

CBOEtrader says

It's as democratic and grassroots as a political organization gets.

lol. Grassroots is giving money to a candidate because you share his views. NRA instructs candidates how to vote and keeps a scorecard to blackmail them. Threatens to finance their opponents if they don't vote the way the NRA orders them to.

The NRA is the exact opposite of grassroots and democratic. It is part of the swamp.

Where does the NRA gets its money/influence?

Your answer here = grassroots.

CBOEtrader says

Where does the NRA gets its money/influence?

Your answer here = grassroots.

Russia.

HappyGilmore says

Giving money to a candidate in return for a guarantee that he/she will vote in the way you tell them to.

Yes it is perfectly reasonable, even preferable, in a democratic republic to state exactly what your group expects from elected officials. TY for proving that the NRA is a model for grassroots political support.

CBOEtrader says

Yes it is perfectly reasonable, even preferable, in a democratic republic to state exactly what your group expects from elected officials. TY for proving that the NRA is a model for grassroots political support.

Sure--but you cannot pay for that vote. That is illegal.