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2018 Apr 7, 3:46pm
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2018 Apr 7, 3:46pm
Mell says
and to lesser extent by the fascist right
What the devil is a "fascist right?" A Fascist is one who believes in government control but not ownership of the means of production. That position is admittedly to right of Communist, but is just another form of Socialism. Hence the best known Fascists, the NAZI party, has a name that translates to "National Socialist Workers Party." "Socialist" and "Workers Party" are hardly right wing concepts, since the Right tends to support limited government. The ultimate right winger would be an Anarchist, who believes in no government at all.
Fascism may be the future though, since like Communism it gives government the control it desires, but unlike Communism it allows the vitality of the free market so that government does not have to preside over a stagnating collectivized economy. China seems to be going the Fascist route by allowing private ownership but definitely maintaining control. USA seems to be heading to Fascism as well by continually adding more controls and licensing over the existing private property and persons.
and to lesser extent by the fascist right
What the devil is a "fascist right?" A Fascist is one who believes in government control but not ownership of the means of production. That position is admittedly to right of Communist, but is just another form of Socialism. Hence the best known Fascists, the NAZI party, has a name that translates to "National Socialist Workers Party." "Socialist" and "Workers Party" are hardly right wing concepts, since the Right tends to support limited government. The ultimate right winger would be an Anarchist, who believes in no government at all.
Fascism may be the future though, since like Communism it gives government the control it desires, but unlike Communism it allows the vitality of the free market so that government does not have to preside over a stagnating collectivized economy. China seems to be going the Fascist route by allowing private ownership but definitely maintaining control. USA seems to be heading to Fascism as well by continually adding more controls and licensing over the existing private property and persons.
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2018 Apr 8, 12:42pm
HeadSet says
There is a good argument to be made that the Nazis were leftists as you mentioned, I have made that before and there is discussions amongst historians about this, but it usually ends with those historians being labeled as "revisionists" which is almost as bad as Nazi. In the end it doesn't matter communists are red painted fascists a famous quote goes. The fascist movement is quite old, much older than the Nazis (comes from the latin word fasces) and it has been more often attributed to so-called right-wing regimes, but in the end it's all the same principle, whether you have government run corporations or big private corporations in bed with politicians, the result is usually the same. Few connected people get very reach and the rest stays poor. It is also true that the non-fascist conservative wing - which is arguably much larger - has been historically advocating for small government and thus certainly cannot be grouped together with the mostly fascist (cultural-marxist) left and the fascist/neocon right. I would definitely argue that recent history has shown that the left has now thoroughly claimed the monopoly on fascism and oppressive government (and facist movements such as antifa) force.
What the devil is a "fascist right?" A Fascist is one who believes in government control but not ownership of the means of production. That position is admittedly to right of Communist, but is just another form of Socialism. Hence the best known Fascists, the NAZI party, has a name that translates to "National Socialist Workers Party." "Socialist" and "Workers Party" are hardly right wing concepts, since the Right tends to support limited government. The ultimate right winger would be an Anarchist, who believes in no government at all.
Fascism may be the future though, since like Communism it gives government the control it desires, but unlike Communism it allows the vitality of the free market so that government does not have to preside over a stagnating collectivized economy. China seems to be going the Fascist route by allowing private ownership but definitely maintaining control. USA seems to be heading to Fascism as well by continually adding more controls and licens...
There is a good argument to be made that the Nazis were leftists as you mentioned, I have made that before and there is discussions amongst historians about this, but it usually ends with those historians being labeled as "revisionists" which is almost as bad as Nazi. In the end it doesn't matter communists are red painted fascists a famous quote goes. The fascist movement is quite old, much older than the Nazis (comes from the latin word fasces) and it has been more often attributed to so-called right-wing regimes, but in the end it's all the same principle, whether you have government run corporations or big private corporations in bed with politicians, the result is usually the same. Few connected people get very reach and the rest stays poor. It is also true that the non-fascist conservative wing - which is arguably much larger - has been historically advocating for small government and thus certainly cannot be grouped together with the mostly fascist (cultural-marxist) left and the fascist/neocon right. I would definitely argue that recent history has shown that the left has now thoroughly claimed the monopoly on fascism and oppressive government (and facist movements such as antifa) force.
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