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Yeah then it's just one entity to outsource.

Anything short of a Federal Medical Army and adequate medical practicing facilities. Is just Government meddling to make other people rich. No system will ever be a baby bottom smooth ride. Might as well go by the most beneficial method. And perhaps fees could be income based as well.
Regardless the model, ailment shouldn't bankrupt any family regardless of socioeconomic standing.

A Government Ran Health Agency.
We're past insurance, we need actual help with the fucking bills and the service. We don't need more useless Shitbags working in multi layers of entrenchment eating the bulk our health care expenses. While we're still on the hook for what should be the honest price in the first place.

For all citizens. Not for illegals. As Dems would never agree to this, it doesn't have a chance, I am afraid.

As long as we are only talking about US citizens it has to be all in or nothing. Anything else and its just milking taxpayers and will be taken advantage of by third parties like every other half ass government program. Would also like to see a two tier system one for people that work and contribute to society or are children and one that is for people that are just drainers.

Illegals already get free health care.

Moronic thread. Sure right congress is going to open up medicare for all and BTW change federal law so illegals can use is. Idiotic.

tovarichpeter says

Medicare for All is the realistic solution

No it's not.

Tenpoundbass says

A Government Ran Health Agency.

We already have a government run health agency. Its called the VA, which despite critics who are very interested in turning it over to their corporate donors to make big bucks on, does work pretty well. If Obama wanted to actually help the uninsured rather than the insurance industry he could have opened up the VA to the uninsured, after expanding it to handle the load, with a sliding premium scale based on income. No muss, no fuss, everything is already in place and operating. The only work would have been calculating the premiums, which would have been nothing since there is 70 years worth of real data right there. No guess work needed. That would have beat the shit out of spending billions on developing 51 health exchanges and taking a bunch of SWAG (scientific wild ass guesses) on how much things were going to cost. .

bob2356 says

Its called the VA, which despite critics who are very interested in turning it over to their corporate donors to make big bucks on, does work pretty well.

I'm quite certain any failings of the VA is the result of special interests lobbying like hell to make it fail.
The VA has been undermined by our own government and pundits since the day it was founded. If there were honest failings in the VA you would think the incompetence, the bad management and the handling of the VA would have been investigated and fixed Years ago. But the talking heads make it sound like a systemic inherent problem with Government ran health care to protect their private health care interests. They aren't interested in a working efficient health care system ran by the Government it's a threat to everything they hold dear at the bank.
We would have had a Civic minded Healthcare system years ago if that were not the case.

They even managed to brainwash the most Patriot of the Patriots of Americans that honestly believes there's nothing America can't do if we set our minds to it. Into believing America can do anything but have a beneficial health care system ran by the government. There's just no "Can Do" spirit there, the brainwashing is too deep.

VA could perhaps be pretty good if there was some sort of accountability on all levels. When they killed my dad my local congressmen that I was working with told me he was shocked at how powerless he was to do anything to help me dad while he was there. I spent a lot of time there with my dad and the amount of waste that I witnessed was insane.

bob2356 says

tovarichpeter says

Medicare for All is the realistic solution

No it's not.

bob2356 says

We already have a government run health agency. Its called the VA, which despite critics who are very interested in turning it over to their corporate donors to make big bucks on, does work pretty well.

Medicare works pretty well too.

Strategist says

bob2356 says

We already have a government run health agency. Its called the VA, which despite critics who are very interested in turning it over to their corporate donors to make big bucks on, does work pretty well.

Medicare works pretty well too

Medicare has most of the built in problems of the private system. A huge overhead cost for billing and a fee for service model which is ripe for fraud and over treatment. . Medicare is prohibited by law from negotiating drug prices (thanks george bush).. Any and everything paid for by medicare from an Tylenol tablet to brain surgery is subject to multiple profit mark ups. There is a gigantic bureaucracy devoted to managing the setting of fees to be paid. The only real advantage Medicare has is it is funded by taxes rather than hundreds of insurance companies that must advertise, collect premiums, pay out claims, pay executive salaries, pay out dividends. pay for lobbying, negotiate fees with doctors and hospitals, etc., etc. etc. which all adds (a lot) to the cost of health care while providing zero actual health care.

The VA is more like denmark or iceland's systems. Doctors are employees. There is no billing costs and no incentive to over treat. The VA negotiates for better prices on drugs. There is no profit mark ups across the board for each and every item. The VA in general does a good job. Especially considering they treat 9 million people in 1200 facilities, many with really unique and severe issues. There have been problems, but in any system that large there are going to be problems even in the private sector.