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iwogian asymptote to hell!

Iwogian? Is that a "canard? (Yes, I know, a pun is the lowest form of humor).

Onvacation says

he melting between decades is much less than the melting between seasons. Unless you mistake the seasonal variations as an iwogian asymptote to hell!
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

#1-- It's the trend that matters, not the seasonality.
#2-- You should be worried about the Antarctic, not the arctic.
#3-- The ice in Antarctica is melting faster than modeled.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/antarctica-lost-three-trillion-tonnes-174950597.html

LeonDurham says

#3-- The ice in Antarctica is melting faster than modeled.

Then why is Florida still above sea level?

Onvacation says

Then why is Florida still above sea level?

Can you show me the model that predicted Florida would be under water in 2018?

LeonDurham says

Onvacation says

Then why is Florida still above sea level?

Can you show me the model that predicted Florida would be under water in 2018?

I'm not the one posting links that say the ice is all melting and the sea level is rising.

Saved by volcanoes!
"If we have volcanic cooling, it does buy us a little bit of time. So does extra solar cooling," Folland told Haaretz. "It buys us a little bit of extra time to respond through mitigation or adaptation to global warming."

https://www.haaretz.com/amp/science-and-health/MAGAZINE-we-need-more-volcanoes-eruptions-slowed-global-warming-in-past-1.6155381

Again, if someone could show me with photographic proof that oceans are rising, I would be open minded. Here is another bit of photographic proof of basically no change, certainly no rise.

http://extra.heraldtribune.com/2016/06/09/throwback-thursday-photos-venice-avenue-then-and-now/

Here’s another one. Please take note, absolutely no change in the high water line, almost perfect match where the grass grows.

ALERT!
Arctic ice levels are at their 10th lowest levels since records have been kept!
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

And it's only June!

Onvacation says

Arctic ice levels are at their 10th lowest levels

How can the alarmist continue with their hyperbole when the sea ice is thicker than it was 12 years ago?

"Image result for june world temperaturewww.ncdc.noaa.gov June 2018 was warmer than average, though its temperature was similar to the June values for several recent years. The European-average anomaly is 0.9°C for June 2018; this compares with 1.4°C for June 1999, the warmest June on record."


So Last month was a half degree cooler than 1999. Except in Siberia. Siberia was 50 degrees warmer than average yesterday.

...eh hem!

"Oh Yeah and just that half a degree is a huge difference in the average global temperature."

Or so I've been told.

Funny you never get it coming back in the other direction.

2018 is promising to be the 6th warmest year since we have been keeping record!

the theory of man-caused, catastrophic, global warming is embraced not because of any “science,” (that sham is for the “useful idiots,”), but because it is a justification for a government takeover of the energy industry, with massive increases in regulation, taxes and government spending. The United Nations loves it because it inspires fantasies of the UN growing up to be a world government, with real government powers of global taxation, spending and regulation, all “to save the planet.” Scientists who go along with the cause are rewarded not only with praise for their worthy social conscience, but also with altogether billions in hard, cold cash (government and environmental grants), for their cooperation in helping to play the “useful idiots.” Moreover, many academic scientists are “progressives” themselves, and so favor sharp increases in government spending, taxes and regulation, because they are certain they know how to run your life better than you do.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/12/the-coming-revelation-of-the-global-warming-fraud-resembles-the-obamacare-lie/amp/

Old article but interesting.

Onvacation says

2018 is promising to be the 6th warmest year since we have been keeping record!

I just can't figure out why it gets hot every Summer. Maybe one of the GW Alarmists can explain.

MrMagic says

I just can't figure out why it gets hot every Summer. Maybe one of the GW Alarmists can explain.

It is August and 2018 IS projected to be the 5th ( maybe 6th) hottest year EVER.

NOAA's temperature numbera are out for July 2018. It was the 11th hottest July on record, tied with 1998.

The trend is down.
Wetbulb death may take a little longer.

Pollution is real, and the damage is obvious. AGW may or may not be real, but the same steps to abate pollution and resource depletion would also abate AGW. The obvious action to take is to limit 1st world population. The fertility rate in 1st world countries was actually decreasing, and the coming smaller population (along with improved efficiencies) would allow sustainable measure such as wind and solar to actually work. Unfortunately, the opening of borders to unfettered immigration makes good politics for the leftist politicos who fake actual concern for the ecology.

True environmentalists (left or right) would support:
1. 1st world nations ending immigration from 3rd world
2. Banning any imports from a country that manufacturers products with lax environmental laws.

Onvacation says

was the 11th hottest July on record, tied with 1998.

August and September here in SoCal have been cooler than usual. September especially! I’ve been here fifteen years and never seen a September that wasn’t stinking hot! This one has been cool and comfortable! Something is definitely different!

Onvacation says

NOAA's temperature numbera are out for July 2018. It was the 11th hottest July on record, tied with 1998.

How would one go about measuring the temperature of November?

Serious question

HeadSet says

AGW may or may not be real, but the same steps to abate pollution and resource depletion would also abate AGW.

R u sure about that? The push for diesel passenger cars in Europe under the AGW abatement agenda has worsened local pollution, for example.

DASKAA says

HeadSet says

AGW may or may not be real, but the same steps to abate pollution and resource depletion would also abate AGW.

R u sure about that? The push for diesel passenger cars in Europe under the AGW abatement agenda has worsened local pollution, for example.

When I was in France in the 90's, diesel passenger cars were common place. I even drove a diesel Chrysler minivan. This was done for economics, I was not aware that diesel polluted less than gasoline. Maybe the higher mileage of diesel means less pollutants per mile driven.. Even so, my point is that fewer people means less driving (diesel or otherwise) and less pollution/carbon footprint. Enough fewer people would go a long way to making a nationwide fleet of electric vehicles supportable by wind/solar/hydro/nuke generating capacity.

HeadSet says

DASKAA says

HeadSet says

AGW may or may not be real, but the same steps to abate pollution and resource depletion would also abate AGW.

R u sure about that? The push for diesel passenger cars in Europe under the AGW abatement agenda has worsened local pollution, for example.

When I was in France in the 90's, diesel passenger cars were common place. I even drove a diesel Chrysler minivan. This was done for economics, I was not aware that diesel polluted less than gasoline. Maybe the higher mileage of diesel means less pollutants per mile driven.. Even so, my point is that fewer people means less driving (diesel or otherwise) and less pollution/carbon footprint. Enough fewer people would go a long way to making a nationwide fleet of electric vehicles supportable by wind/solar/hydro/nuke generating capacity.

They pollute more in every measure - NOX, particles, ozone, etc. - except CO2. The latter was the reason to promote them as "less polluting". This is my main beef with the AGW hysteria: downplaying real, immediately harmful pollution and overhyping the emissions of harmless gas.

Have no problem with "less people is good" idea, but this means "wasist" immigration laws will have to be written and enforced. Don't really see the current AGW champions - the left - embracing such policy.

Don't really see the current AGW champions - the left - embracing such policy.

True, if you really believed in AGW, you would not be for unfettered immigration.

CBOEtrader says

How would one go about measuring the temperature of November?

Serious question

That is a great question. How do the climate change believers calculate worldwide average temperature?

The alarmists claim that 2016 was the hottest year ever, exceeding 2015 by 4/100 of one degree. Since then the temp has gone down. NOAA reports it, I repeat it.

Onvacation says

The alarmists claim that 2016 was the hottest year ever, exceeding 2015 by 4/100 of one degree. Since then the temp has gone down. NOAA reports it, I repeat it.

LeonDurham says

LeonDurham says

Onvacation says

The alarmists claim that 2016 was the hottest year ever, exceeding 2015 by 4/100 of one degree. Since then the temp has gone down. NOAA reports it, I repeat it.

LeonDurham says

And the trend is down...

Onvacation says

And the trend is down...

Nope. It sure isn't.

Washington Post blames Trump for Hurricane Florence. I guess they think he can do this:

LeonDurham says

Nope. It sure isn't.

When do you suppose Florida is going under water? What's the wetbulb death count this year? Is there any ice left in the arctic?

Onvacation says

When do you suppose Florida is going under water? What's the wetbulb death count this year? Is there any ice left in the arctic?

Do you understand trending now?

god forbid, you even try to understand this, or put it in perspective. Here's a gragh from the source of that data.

The high you see on the orange (land only) graph is the feb 2016 data point. It's not updated, but you can easily figure out that the down spike since then takes us to about the 2012 lows. .





I wish you were right. with your fantasies. I really do.

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/

marcus says

god forbid

So what's your guess for an ice free arctic?

Onvacation says

So what's your guess for an ice free arctic?

Ice free ? In the middle of winter ? Let's hope never. These down spikes will be harder to come by if arctic ice was completely gone in the winter. We're totally fucked if that happens.

But gone in the summer ? Sadly I definitely think probably less than another decade before we see that. I hope I'm wrong.

When is your guess for when the land and ocean (combined) graph can be seen to be in an actual clear down trend ?

marcus says

But gone in the summer ? Sadly I definitely think probably less than another decade

I'll put you down for 2028. Iwog guessed 2022 and Gore predicted 2013.

Smart alarmists are putting the doom out into the distant future.

marcus says

god forbid, you even try to understand this, or put it in perspective. Here's a gragh from the source of that data.

Ok help us understand it. How does one measure "global surface mean air temperature"? Then explain how they did it in the 1880's.