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It's not like these people couldn't work and produce wealth. It is that mere humans can't do it efficiently enough to be competitive with robots.
The idea that socialism would take better care of the "weaker" and more retarded is proven false everywhere it's been tried.
Homo Sapiens would not have emerged if not for the earlier and more primitive life forms and species having died off all along the direct path leading to humanity!
Why can't Capitalism thrive under a system of slavery and tyranny? Shareholders can be the sole beneficiaries of a fascist tyranny while the rest toil at gunpoint. No?
Capitalistic free market place is about giving every individual the right to choose, by using his/her own money.
I'm not saying socialism is better. I don't think it is. You are completely missing the point. I'm saying capitalism is dying.
Evolution works, but a society is not a Darwinian experiment. Poor people do not die. If starving they eventually rise up and kill rich people.
Society is of course Darwinian. Evolution is always taking place for not only the genetic human organism but also human ideas ("memic evolution").
Every episode of capitalism in human history (e.g. Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, Hrappans) eventually died because the children growing up under prosperity went to school and learned socialism/communism (e.g. Plato) and tried to become "social engineers" and worshipers of authority (as students being appraised by professors) instead of staying in the habit of a free market place and appreciate the difference between individuals and the invisible hand that bring forth both prosperity and innovation.
Reality saysCapitalistic free market place is about giving every individual the right to choose, by using his/her own money.
That worked when most people could play a useful role in a society. This doesn't work when poor people have no useful skills to offer, don't have land to produce food, don't have land to build a shelter, and basically are left out with time stamps, and pooping between cars on the street.
there is always a place for human effort, and automation won’t eliminate that anytime soon. If it did, perhaps more things could be socialized to the point where nobody would need to work to provide basic necessities. But, those who DID choose to work would be rewarded with the first pick of every luxury and status symbol. I’d guess that’s our end point.
Reality saysSociety is of course Darwinian. Evolution is always taking place for not only the genetic human organism but also human ideas ("memic evolution").
Evolution of human ideas has nothing to do with Darwinian evolution. Poor people now reproduce at a much faster rate than rich people.
Thus society is by definition not Darwinian evolution.
And when upheaval happens, more poor people may die but not in the same proportion as rich people. The French or Russian revolution decimated the aristocracy. To say that Robespierre or Lenin were not poor is missing the point. Of course they were smart enough to elevate themselves, but they were not aristocrats, nor rich.
Reality saysEvery episode of capitalism in human history (e.g. Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, Hrappans) eventually died because the children growing up under prosperity went to school and learned socialism/communism (e.g. Plato) and tried to become "social engineers" and worshipers of authority (as students being appraised by professors) instead of staying in the habit of a free market place and appreciate the difference between individuals and the invisible hand that bring forth both prosperity and innovation.
Ok, let's not try to engineer anything. Let us let capitalism die and collapse from its own weight in the process I described.
Like I care.
If / when you get caught up in that process, chances are very high that you will die in that baptism of fire. The population of Ancient Rome collapsed by 90% in a few decades.
Reality saysIf / when you get caught up in that process, chances are very high that you will die in that baptism of fire. The population of Ancient Rome collapsed by 90% in a few decades.
So either we let capitalism die by itself and civilization collapses, or we manage it and socialism destroys civilization.
Sounds like we're fucked either way.
Don't worry, the power-that-be will put everyone on welfare, and keep for themselves the opulent fruits technocracy.
But of course Reality will still be preaching capitalism long after capitalists around the world have fled it and it has ceased to exist.
So either we let capitalism die by itself and civilization collapses, or we manage it and socialism destroys civilization.
Sounds like we're fucked either way.
That worked when most people could play a useful role in a societySomething wrong with picking fruit?
FortWayne saysUnder Trump capitalism is roaring back!!!
Really? Where do you see Free Market Capitalism roaring back?
I look around the System of the USA, and I struggle to find any remnants of Free Market Capitalism. The last part of the economy that resembles a Free Market for Capitalists is the Cannabis marketplace, but even that is being invaded by the Regulators
In fact, because people with an IQ that low are certifiably retarded/disabled, the employers are exempt from minimum wage laws when hiring them
This phenomenon really proves that "unemployable" in most cases is actually the result of minimum wage laws / welfare rules.
even that is being invaded by the Regulators
farming is highly automated now and run by big corporations. They don't want or need you to come and work their farms, they got high tech equipment for that
But the prospects for those who can learn tech deeply keep getting better.
Something wrong with picking fruit?
In general, there are plenty of good jobs all the time, it's just that those jobs require those IQ points and some years of dedicated study. As tech gets better, the prospects for those who cannot or will not dedicate themselves to learning keep getting worse. But the prospects for those who can learn tech deeply keep getting better.
This phenomenon really proves that "unemployable" in most cases is actually the result of minimum wage laws / welfare rules.
Where in that world does the 30% of population below 90 IQ find an opportunity?
In fact, because people with an IQ that low are certifiably retarded/disabled, the employers are exempt from minimum wage laws when hiring them
Wait. How much does it cost to hire a retard army?
Do you genuinely feel that post AI there will be enough employment for zero skill laborers? Pretty sure drivers of every kind, dishwashers, veggie choppers, busboys, lawn mowers, pizza delivery drivers, and especially fast food workers... are all being looked at for robot replacement.
To be a good programmer you need a minimum 115 IQ (just my observation). The best programmers are perhaps the most brilliant people you'd ever meet.
Where in that world does the 30% of population below 90 IQ find an opportunity?
Reality saysThis phenomenon really proves that "unemployable" in most cases is actually the result of minimum wage laws / welfare rules.
If it wasn't for minimum wages laws, wages would fall to $2/h. As a result the end demand would collapse further, and even more debt would be required. Why do you never consider the effect of low wages on spending when half the population already can't come up with 400 fucking dollars?
Jordan Peterson talks about the 85 IQ lower limit for US army employment. Something like 12% to 15% of the population is lower than that, and therefore not intelligent enough to wash trucks.So do we prop up that 12-15% and let them create more retards, or do we let them die off as nature intended?
CBOEtrader saysJordan Peterson talks about the 85 IQ lower limit for US army employment. Something like 12% to 15% of the population is lower than that, and therefore not intelligent enough to wash trucks.So do we prop up that 12-15% and let them create more retards, or do we let them die off as nature intended?
You can think of it as working for the elites, or you can take a wider more expansive view, you can consider the progress that the amalgamation of human work and ingenuity has produced, the cities, the infrastructure, the amenities, the entertainment, the easy access to necessities and also luxuries, the medicine that gives us long lifespans, and the ever escalating technological progress that keeps moving the bar forward. You can consider the absolutely INCREDIBLE advances humanity as a WHOLE has experienced, how an average worker in middle class America has more choices for luxury and medicine than Louis XIV, and you can conclude that human work has moved HUMANITY forward! Sure, the elites maintain an edge over the average man, and they still call the shots for the most part. But the improvements our combined work has wrought upon the land are enjoyed by all of us!
You’re not working for the boss, in furtherance of his bottom line. You’re working for the human race, in ...
What bothers me is that the vast majority of people do not earn enough to pay for a home of their own. The average worker should be able to earn enough from his labor to literally own his own home (home loan paid off completely) after 15 years of work. That cannot be allowed by the elites because then there is less motivation to continue working for them. It is the corrupt banking system that makes us all slaves.
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Half the US population couldn't come up with $400 to face an emergency.
The incentive of capitalism are clear: workers are a cost to be eliminated. And companies have become extremely good at this game. Unfortunately, having customers is also a requirement for capitalism. And customers normally get their cash from wages. This means the system is not stable. It's gravitating more and more around the top 10% of the population. The goals that we are optimizing against are simply not good for society and humanity. The goal can't be a winner take all system. You need to invest in people.
So you see the hollowing of the economy, you see the shrinking opportunities and social mobility, the rise of economic frailties and poverty, the rise of debts to compensate the dearth of incomes. All these are not the results of social programs, or socialism. Instead they are the natural results of capitalism gone wild at a global level.
And it won't stop there:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/global-sales-of-industrial-robots-log-staggering-rise/
"New data confirms anecdotal reports of the blistering hot global automation industry."
"The biggest growth came from China, where sales rose 58 percent."
Ironically the only way capitalism could endure is precisely through more social programs, and a better safety net.
A heavy dose of socialism is the only way to entrench capitalism. Without that, capitalism as a whole is probably doomed.
Suck it up right wingers.