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Strategist
2018 Jul 22, 10:14am
Strategist
2018 Jul 22, 10:14am
MisterLefty says
It's murder. He should be charged.
"According to witnesses, McGlockton exited the store and walked over to Drejka who was still arguing with Jacobs in the parking lot. Witnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.
It's murder. He should be charged.
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 22, 10:40am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 22, 10:40am
Strategist says
If not for Stand Your ground White people would walk around in total fear of the thugs. Don't you remember the old lady at the Condo that told a bunch of Thugs trespassing her Condo Pool and having a loud Hip Hop South Beach celebration. They beat and dragged that poor woman. If She had a gun it would have turned out differently.
It's murder. He should be charged.
If not for Stand Your ground White people would walk around in total fear of the thugs. Don't you remember the old lady at the Condo that told a bunch of Thugs trespassing her Condo Pool and having a loud Hip Hop South Beach celebration. They beat and dragged that poor woman. If She had a gun it would have turned out differently.
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Strategist
2018 Jul 22, 10:52am
Strategist
2018 Jul 22, 10:52am
Tenpoundbass says
I'm OK with "stand your ground" In this case the shooter was just pushed to the ground. His life was not in danger, no way justifying the shot he fired.
Strategist saysIt's murder. He should be charged.
If not for Stand Your ground White people would walk around in total fear of the thugs. Don't you remember the old lady at the Condo that told a bunch of Thugs trespassing her Condo Pool and having a loud Hip Hop South Beach celebration. They beat and dragged that poor woman. If She had a gun it would have turned out differently.
I'm OK with "stand your ground" In this case the shooter was just pushed to the ground. His life was not in danger, no way justifying the shot he fired.
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Ceffer
2018 Jul 22, 11:28am
Ceffer
2018 Jul 22, 11:28am
What a waste of meat. The shooter didn't even start chewing on the target's face while he was twitching in death throes.
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theoakman
2018 Jul 22, 11:37am
I support stand your ground, but this looks like manslaughter to me. The guy shoved him which is assault. But as soon as he drew the gun, the guy started to back away.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 22, 11:45am
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 22, 11:45am
Tenpoundbass says
Sounds like everyone involved lacked integrity on some level. If i were a juror and saw no immediate physical threat before he pulled the trigger, thats manslaughter (or murder 2?). If the guy was walking towards him to kick him in the head, then its stand your ground.
Cant blame a guy for pushing over a man who is harassing your wife.
If not for Stand Your ground White people would walk around in total fear of the thugs.
Sounds like everyone involved lacked integrity on some level. If i were a juror and saw no immediate physical threat before he pulled the trigger, thats manslaughter (or murder 2?). If the guy was walking towards him to kick him in the head, then its stand your ground.
Cant blame a guy for pushing over a man who is harassing your wife.
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 22, 12:05pm
Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law
A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony
A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony
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theoakman
2018 Jul 22, 3:45pm
MisterLefty says
That's why I think, according to the letter of the law, this is not stand your ground. Once the gun was out, the guy clearly backed away and it was over. He then proceeded to take his sweet time firing the kill shot. There was nothing wrong with pulling the gun out. And if the guy stayed there or started advancing I'd say fine, shoot him. There's really no difference between shooting someone backing away and shooting someone in the back.
Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law
A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony
That's why I think, according to the letter of the law, this is not stand your ground. Once the gun was out, the guy clearly backed away and it was over. He then proceeded to take his sweet time firing the kill shot. There was nothing wrong with pulling the gun out. And if the guy stayed there or started advancing I'd say fine, shoot him. There's really no difference between shooting someone backing away and shooting someone in the back.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 8:35am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 8:35am
CBOEtrader says
The white dude is going to have some issues. He initially started the verbal abuse on the woman, and when the black dude came to the aid of his wife, he pulled his gun to "protect" himself. You can't start a situation, then claim "Stand your Ground" when the issue goes South.
Plus, the white guy has a history, he once pulled his gun during a road rage incident on another driver. He's also verbally abused other people who parked in that same handicap spot. If you watch a longer video at this link:
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/No-arrest-in-fatal-shooting-during-argument-over-handicap-parking-space_170174041
You'll see the white guy pull in and intentionally park at the end of the store, instead of pulling into one of the empty spots in front of the store. He was looking for a fight.
In the middle of that video, a guy in a gray shirt pauses when entering the store and observes the verbal altercation, it seems he went in to the store to tell other patrons what was going on. Then you see the black dude come out of the store, heading to protect his wife, and the guy in the gray shirt follows him out and heads that way too. It would appear (I wish we had the audio) that the white guy was out of line, and it wasn't just a normal conversation. The black guy was just standing up and protecting his wife with the shove.
The white guy's attorney is going to have his hands full defending him.
Sounds like everyone involved lacked integrity on some level. If i were a juror and saw no immediate physical threat before he pulled the trigger, thats manslaughter (or murder 2?). If the guy was walking towards him to kick him in the head, then its stand your ground.
Cant blame a guy for pushing over a man who is harassing your wife.
The white dude is going to have some issues. He initially started the verbal abuse on the woman, and when the black dude came to the aid of his wife, he pulled his gun to "protect" himself. You can't start a situation, then claim "Stand your Ground" when the issue goes South.
Plus, the white guy has a history, he once pulled his gun during a road rage incident on another driver. He's also verbally abused other people who parked in that same handicap spot. If you watch a longer video at this link:
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/No-arrest-in-fatal-shooting-during-argument-over-handicap-parking-space_170174041
You'll see the white guy pull in and intentionally park at the end of the store, instead of pulling into one of the empty spots in front of the store. He was looking for a fight.
In the middle of that video, a guy in a gray shirt pauses when entering the store and observes the verbal altercation, it seems he went in to the store to tell other patrons what was going on. Then you see the black dude come out of the store, heading to protect his wife, and the guy in the gray shirt follows him out and heads that way too. It would appear (I wish we had the audio) that the white guy was out of line, and it wasn't just a normal conversation. The black guy was just standing up and protecting his wife with the shove.
The white guy's attorney is going to have his hands full defending him.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 9:08am
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 9:08am
Strategist says
Why is that? Being the victim of a surprise attack and finding oneself on the ground with attacker continuing to approach the victim gives the latter the grounds to belive he's in danger of serious injury or death. Remember that thug who sucker punched some guy and continued beating him while the victim was laying on the ground? The one which ate a bullet for his valiant deed? Same situation. No point in wasting public resources on prosecution - the guy will walk.
MisterLefty says"According to witnesses, McGlockton exited the store and walked over to Drejka who was still arguing with Jacobs in the parking lot. Witnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.
It's murder. He should be charged.
Why is that? Being the victim of a surprise attack and finding oneself on the ground with attacker continuing to approach the victim gives the latter the grounds to belive he's in danger of serious injury or death. Remember that thug who sucker punched some guy and continued beating him while the victim was laying on the ground? The one which ate a bullet for his valiant deed? Same situation. No point in wasting public resources on prosecution - the guy will walk.
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Shaman
2018 Jul 23, 9:18am
Shaman
2018 Jul 23, 9:18am
I don’t think this white guy should get away with it. He wasn’t being actively attacked when he decided to fire. If the stand your ground law gives him amnesty for this situation, it’s a very poorly written law.
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Strategist
2018 Jul 23, 9:26am
Strategist
2018 Jul 23, 9:26am
Hassan_Rouhani says
That is not the case here. The shooter instigated the confrontation with his wife. The shooters life was not in danger when the black guy pushed him away. Firing a shot is way off in this case. The shooter seems to have uncontrolled anger issues.
Fair is fair. The white dude needs to face the consequences of his actions.
It's murder. He should be charged.
Why is that? Being the victim of a surprise attack and finding oneself on the ground with attacker continuing to approach the victim gives the latter the grounds to belive he's in danger of serious injury or death. Remember that thug who sucker punched some guy and continued beating him while the victim was laying on the ground? The one which ate a bullet for his valiant deed? Same situation. No point in wasting public resources on prosecution - the guy will walk.
That is not the case here. The shooter instigated the confrontation with his wife. The shooters life was not in danger when the black guy pushed him away. Firing a shot is way off in this case. The shooter seems to have uncontrolled anger issues.
Fair is fair. The white dude needs to face the consequences of his actions.
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Strategist
2018 Jul 23, 9:28am
Strategist
2018 Jul 23, 9:28am
Quigley says
It could take shootings to a whole new level. Anyone involved in the slightest skirmish would be able to legally kill.
I don’t think this white guy should get away with it. He wasn’t being actively attacked when he decided to fire. If the stand your ground law gives him amnesty for this situation, it’s a very poorly written law.
It could take shootings to a whole new level. Anyone involved in the slightest skirmish would be able to legally kill.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 9:32am
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 9:32am
Quigley says
It's a matter of perception: one thing is to armchair quarterbacking while looking at videos from various angles and the whole 'nother is assessing the situation in fractions of seconds while being on the ground after suprise punch/slam by some big dude.
He wasn’t being actively attacked when he decided to fire.
It's a matter of perception: one thing is to armchair quarterbacking while looking at videos from various angles and the whole 'nother is assessing the situation in fractions of seconds while being on the ground after suprise punch/slam by some big dude.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 9:58am
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 9:58am
MrMagic says
'xactly. The other dude should've kept it on this level instead of escalating it into physical realm and effectively writing a check he was unable to cash. The times of duels to defend one's "honor" are long gone. Besides, if you want to have a fucking duel you don't fucking mount a surprise attack. Can't have it both ways.
verbal
'xactly. The other dude should've kept it on this level instead of escalating it into physical realm and effectively writing a check he was unable to cash. The times of duels to defend one's "honor" are long gone. Besides, if you want to have a fucking duel you don't fucking mount a surprise attack. Can't have it both ways.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 10:40am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 10:40am
Hassan_Rouhani says
Wrong , NOT same situation, it was a SINGLE push, not "continued beating".
Strategist says
Exactly, there was distance between him, and when the shooter pulled his gun, the dead guy actually backed off and turned sideways. No need to pull the trigger.
Hassan_Rouhani says
How long do you usually allow your wife to take verbal abuse from a stranger before you step in and stop it? What's your time frame?
Another patron came into the store to notify everyone inside what was going on with the white guy. Wouldn't that be a cause for concern?
Strategist says
His past history proves that.
Remember that thug who sucker punched some guy and continued beating him while the victim was laying on the ground? The one which ate a bullet for his valiant deed? Same situation.
Wrong , NOT same situation, it was a SINGLE push, not "continued beating".
Strategist says
The shooters life was not in danger when the black guy pushed him away.
Exactly, there was distance between him, and when the shooter pulled his gun, the dead guy actually backed off and turned sideways. No need to pull the trigger.
Hassan_Rouhani says
The other dude should've kept it on this level instead of escalating it into physical realm and effectively writing a check he was unable to cash.
How long do you usually allow your wife to take verbal abuse from a stranger before you step in and stop it? What's your time frame?
Another patron came into the store to notify everyone inside what was going on with the white guy. Wouldn't that be a cause for concern?
Strategist says
The shooter seems to have uncontrolled anger issues.
His past history proves that.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 12:07pm
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 12:07pm
MrMagic says
I'll commit a sin of self-quoting:
"It's a matter of perception: one thing is to armchair quarterbacking while looking at videos from various angles and the whole 'nother is assessing the situation in fractions of seconds while being on the ground after suprise punch/slam by some big dude."
The jury (if it comes to that) will be instructed by the judge to look at it from the perspective of split-second decisions by a person being suddenly attacked and put in a disadvantaged position. The prosecution won't touch this unless there is pressure from BLM-type hysterical crowd.
Exactly, there was distance between him, and when the shooter pulled his gun, the dead guy actually backed off and turned sideways. No need to pull the trigger.
I'll commit a sin of self-quoting:
"It's a matter of perception: one thing is to armchair quarterbacking while looking at videos from various angles and the whole 'nother is assessing the situation in fractions of seconds while being on the ground after suprise punch/slam by some big dude."
The jury (if it comes to that) will be instructed by the judge to look at it from the perspective of split-second decisions by a person being suddenly attacked and put in a disadvantaged position. The prosecution won't touch this unless there is pressure from BLM-type hysterical crowd.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 12:15pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 12:15pm
Hassan_Rouhani says
Here's a statement from the Sheriff:
...."The sheriff, however, said the circumstances surrounding the shooting were not clear-cut.
"There is a pause — even if it's only for a couple seconds — there is a pause between the time Drejka hits the ground and he shoots. That pause gives me pause," Gualtieri said. "That pause gives me some concern. And it goes back to what I said when I opened: just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
Even the sheriff is questioning if it was justified.
I'll commit a sin of self-quoting:
"It's a matter of perception: one thing is to armchair quarterbacking while looking at videos from various angles and the whole 'nother is assessing the situation in fractions of seconds while being on the ground after suprise punch/slam by some big dude."
The jury (if it comes to that) will be instructed by the judge to look at it from the perspective of split-second decisions by a person being suddenly attacked and put in a disadvantaged position. The prosecution won't touch this unless there is pressure from BLM-type hysterical crowd.
Here's a statement from the Sheriff:
...."The sheriff, however, said the circumstances surrounding the shooting were not clear-cut.
"There is a pause — even if it's only for a couple seconds — there is a pause between the time Drejka hits the ground and he shoots. That pause gives me pause," Gualtieri said. "That pause gives me some concern. And it goes back to what I said when I opened: just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
Even the sheriff is questioning if it was justified.
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 23, 3:05pm
A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity,
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and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force,
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including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony
- check?
The fellow was assaulted, I would imagine a beating would be a felony. But seriously, if a dude is arguing with your moronic girlfriend who is too lazy to park farther away and would rather use a handicapped parking place, your first reaction is to blindside the guy and push him to the ground?
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and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force,
- check
including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony
- check?
The fellow was assaulted, I would imagine a beating would be a felony. But seriously, if a dude is arguing with your moronic girlfriend who is too lazy to park farther away and would rather use a handicapped parking place, your first reaction is to blindside the guy and push him to the ground?
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 3:13pm
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 3:13pm
MrMagic says
Naturally: he has BLM crowd to appease and doesn't want to be pushed out of his job over this shit.
Even the sheriff is questioning if it was justified.
Naturally: he has BLM crowd to appease and doesn't want to be pushed out of his job over this shit.
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 23, 3:30pm
Hassan_Rouhani says
Naturally: he has BLM crowd to appease and doesn't want to be pushed out of his job over this shit.Protesters held signs calling the law racist, I guess acknowledging that poor impulse control is somehow a racial trait?
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Heraclitusstudent
2018 Jul 23, 5:19pm
Heraclitusstudent
2018 Jul 23, 5:19pm
MisterLefty says
How could it be "stand your ground" if the guy was not standing?
Witnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.
How could it be "stand your ground" if the guy was not standing?
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 6:23pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 6:23pm
MisterLefty says
So is pulling out a gun and pointing it at someone.
We won't mention about shooting a guy who was moving away from you and turning around when you pulled the trigger.
Hassan_Rouhani says
He is actually a Anti-Gun Sheriff, he's just doing a major CYA.
I would imagine a beating would be a felony.
So is pulling out a gun and pointing it at someone.
We won't mention about shooting a guy who was moving away from you and turning around when you pulled the trigger.
Hassan_Rouhani says
MrMagic saysEven the sheriff is questioning if it was justified.
Naturally: he has BLM crowd to appease and doesn't want to be pushed out of his job over this shit.
He is actually a Anti-Gun Sheriff, he's just doing a major CYA.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 6:26pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 6:26pm
MisterLefty says
I agree, shooting and killing a guy because you got a little bump is really bad impulse control.
But, the white guy has a history of bad impulse control, pulling a gun during a road rage incident, and has multiple times verbally harrassed patrons at that same store.
Hope he has a good attorney.
I guess acknowledging that poor impulse control is somehow a racial trait?
I agree, shooting and killing a guy because you got a little bump is really bad impulse control.
But, the white guy has a history of bad impulse control, pulling a gun during a road rage incident, and has multiple times verbally harrassed patrons at that same store.
Hope he has a good attorney.
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Strategist
2018 Jul 23, 7:04pm
Strategist
2018 Jul 23, 7:04pm
MisterLefty says
We don't know if this shooting was really racially motivated. Every time a Black man dies at the hands of a White man, we have protesters claiming racism. So stupid.
Hassan_Rouhani saysNaturally: he has BLM crowd to appease and doesn't want to be pushed out of his job over this shit.Protesters held signs calling the law racist, I guess acknowledging that poor impulse control is somehow a racial trait?
We don't know if this shooting was really racially motivated. Every time a Black man dies at the hands of a White man, we have protesters claiming racism. So stupid.
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komputodo
2018 Jul 23, 9:18pm
komputodo
2018 Jul 23, 9:18pm
MrMagic says
Or maybe he just has an "itchy" trigger finger.
I agree, shooting and killing a guy because you got a little bump is really bad impulse control.
Or maybe he just has an "itchy" trigger finger.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:36am
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:36am
We could make it fun and bet on the outcome instead of rehashing the same tired shit.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:42am
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:42am
MrMagic says
Not after the assault has started. The one who starts the physical shit owns the shit through and through.
And I guarantee you that if tables were turned and we had a feeble older dude coming out of the store and seeing 6'8" 260lbs young guy telling his girlfriend she's abusing the handicap spot there would be no pushing, no Sir Ree Bob.
MisterLefty saysI would imagine a beating would be a felony.
So is pulling out a gun and pointing it at someone
Not after the assault has started. The one who starts the physical shit owns the shit through and through.
And I guarantee you that if tables were turned and we had a feeble older dude coming out of the store and seeing 6'8" 260lbs young guy telling his girlfriend she's abusing the handicap spot there would be no pushing, no Sir Ree Bob.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:46am
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:46am
Heraclitusstudent says
Yeah, looks more like "sit your ground" from the video.
MisterLefty saysWitnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.
How could it be "stand your ground" if the guy was not standing?
Yeah, looks more like "sit your ground" from the video.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 8:53am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 8:53am
Hassan_Rouhani says
Exactly..
The white dude can't START a verbal assault on an unknown person, then claim "Stand your Ground" when someone else shuts him up from that assault.
Plus, the white dude has a history of starting shit with other patrons, so there's that too....
MrMagic saysMisterLefty saysI would imagine a beating would be a felony.
So is pulling out a gun and pointing it at someone
Not after the assault has started. The one who starts the physical shit owns the shit through and through
Exactly..
The white dude can't START a verbal assault on an unknown person, then claim "Stand your Ground" when someone else shuts him up from that assault.
Plus, the white dude has a history of starting shit with other patrons, so there's that too....
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 24, 9:51am
MrMagic says
The white dude can't START a verbal assaultYou are making up nonsense. Verbal assault! OMG, you are engaged in writing assault! LOL.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 10:01am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 10:01am
MisterLefty says
verbal-assault
Noun
(plural verbal assaults)
Often used other than as an idiom: an assault that is verbal.
(US, law) Oral or written speech that creates, or is intended to create, a fear of physical harm
http://www.yourdictionary.com/verbal-assault
Oops..... "nonsense"?
MrMagic saysThe white dude can't START a verbal assaultYou are making up nonsense. Verbal assault! OMG, you are engaged in writing assault! LOL.
verbal-assault
Noun
(plural verbal assaults)
Often used other than as an idiom: an assault that is verbal.
(US, law) Oral or written speech that creates, or is intended to create, a fear of physical harm
http://www.yourdictionary.com/verbal-assault
Oops..... "nonsense"?
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 10:10am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 10:10am
Clearwater gunman confronted man over parking spot weeks before Stand Your Ground shooting.
...."Kelly asked Drejka if his mom was nearby and offered to move his tanker. That’s when he says Drejka became furious.
"He flipped out on me called me every n-word, said he's going to shoot me," Kelly said. "He said he was going to kill me, and he went back to his truck, got something out of his truck and walked back up on me."
Store owner Ali Salous came out and shut down the confrontation.
"I didn't know this was going to happen two months later with another guy. It's really sad," he said.
Salous says Drejka has a history of confrontations in and around his store.
"He told me I can't help it. Every time I do this I get in trouble, and I can't help it. I keep doing it," Salous said.
Kelly said Drejka called his job and left a threatening voice mail on the answering service.
http://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2018/07/23/clearwater-gunman-confronted-man-over-parking-spot-weeks-before-stand-your-ground-shooting
...."Kelly asked Drejka if his mom was nearby and offered to move his tanker. That’s when he says Drejka became furious.
"He flipped out on me called me every n-word, said he's going to shoot me," Kelly said. "He said he was going to kill me, and he went back to his truck, got something out of his truck and walked back up on me."
Store owner Ali Salous came out and shut down the confrontation.
"I didn't know this was going to happen two months later with another guy. It's really sad," he said.
Salous says Drejka has a history of confrontations in and around his store.
"He told me I can't help it. Every time I do this I get in trouble, and I can't help it. I keep doing it," Salous said.
Kelly said Drejka called his job and left a threatening voice mail on the answering service.
http://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2018/07/23/clearwater-gunman-confronted-man-over-parking-spot-weeks-before-stand-your-ground-shooting
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 24, 3:40pm
MrMagic says
Well, I ain't a Florida lawyer, but here is the applicable statute.
ASSAULT; BATTERY; CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE
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784.011 Assault.—
(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.
(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.e,
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html
Please provide a link to the girlfriend's statements verifying that Drejka threatened to do violence to her. Merely haranguing someone for parking illegally would not rise to the definition of verbal assault as defined under Florida law.
Oops..... "nonsense"?
Well, I ain't a Florida lawyer, but here is the applicable statute.
ASSAULT; BATTERY; CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE
View Entire Chapter
784.011 Assault.—
(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.
(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.e,
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html
Please provide a link to the girlfriend's statements verifying that Drejka threatened to do violence to her. Merely haranguing someone for parking illegally would not rise to the definition of verbal assault as defined under Florida law.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 7:08pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 7:08pm
MisterLefty says
to the Florida statutes where it says you can take another person's life with a gun when you're shoved.
Please provide a link
to the Florida statutes where it says you can take another person's life with a gun when you're shoved.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 7:13pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 7:13pm
MisterLefty says
Do you specifically know what he said to her for the few minutes he was giving her shit before her boyfriend came out and stopped it?
Lets see what we know about his PAST behavior:
MrMagic says
Hmmmm, anyone want to take a bet what his conversation was THIS time? Sure sounds like the white dude was doing this LAST time, when he threatened to shoot that guy:
MisterLefty says
Do zebras usually change their stripes?
Merely haranguing someone for parking illegally would not rise to the definition of verbal assault as defined under Florida law.
Do you specifically know what he said to her for the few minutes he was giving her shit before her boyfriend came out and stopped it?
Lets see what we know about his PAST behavior:
MrMagic says
He flipped out on me called me every n-word, said he's going to shoot me," Kelly said. "He said he was going to kill me, and he went back to his truck, got something out of his truck and walked back up on me."
Store owner Ali Salous came out and shut down the confrontation.
"I didn't know this was going to happen two months later with another guy. It's really sad," he said.
Salous says Drejka has a history of confrontations in and around his store.
"He told me I can't help it. Every time I do this I get in trouble, and I can't help it. I keep doing it," Salous said.
Hmmmm, anyone want to take a bet what his conversation was THIS time? Sure sounds like the white dude was doing this LAST time, when he threatened to shoot that guy:
MisterLefty says
An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.
Do zebras usually change their stripes?
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 24, 7:17pm
MrMagic says
Hint: Things that you imagine to have happened and reality are two different things. You claimed verbal assault, giving an irrelevant definition, and yet cannot provide any proof whatever to back up your assertion. From the interviews the girlfriend has given, including to HuffPo, no such assertion of threats were described. They are in your head. You keep making things up, and sadly for you, you belief your own bs.
to the Florida statutes where it says you can take another person's life with a gun when you're shoved.You are continuing to make things up. Your assertion of verbal assault is a fantasy in your head only. The police refused to arrest him, noting the violent push. MrMagic says
Hmmmm, anyone want to take a bet what his conversation was THIS time? Sure sounds like the white dude was doing this LAST time, when he threatened to shoot that guy:
Hint: Things that you imagine to have happened and reality are two different things. You claimed verbal assault, giving an irrelevant definition, and yet cannot provide any proof whatever to back up your assertion. From the interviews the girlfriend has given, including to HuffPo, no such assertion of threats were described. They are in your head. You keep making things up, and sadly for you, you belief your own bs.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 2:23pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 2:23pm
Oops..... Right decision.
Shooter charged with manslaughter in Clearwater stand your ground case.
Prosecutors charged Michael Drejka, the man accused of killing Markeis McGlockton in a shooting that has reignited a debate over Florida’s stand your ground law, with manslaughter Monday.
The warrant notes what McGlockton’s family and their lawyers have pointed out to show that Drejka’s fear wasn’t reasonable.
"Drejka steadies the firearm with both hands," it says. "McGlockton immediately backs up when confronted with the firearm. As he backs up to his vehicle he begins to turn towards the front of the store away from the shooter."
It also notes investigators used a scanner that helps capture measurement and distance to find that Drejka was about 12 feet from McGlockton when he fired the shot.
Drejka has remained largely a mystery to the public in the weeks since the shooting. The Tampa Bay Times reported last week that he has been the accused aggressor in four incidents since 2012. He was not arrested in any of the cases and does not have a criminal history in Florida.
His arrest warrant notes three out of four of the prior cases. Two were road rage incidents documented by law enforcement in which he was accused of showing a gun. A third was an argument a few months ago over the same parking space in which Drejka confronted another man, Rick Kelly, and threatened to shoot him.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/Shooter-charged-with-manslaughter-in-Clearwater-stand-your-ground-case_170853729
Shooter charged with manslaughter in Clearwater stand your ground case.
Prosecutors charged Michael Drejka, the man accused of killing Markeis McGlockton in a shooting that has reignited a debate over Florida’s stand your ground law, with manslaughter Monday.
The warrant notes what McGlockton’s family and their lawyers have pointed out to show that Drejka’s fear wasn’t reasonable.
"Drejka steadies the firearm with both hands," it says. "McGlockton immediately backs up when confronted with the firearm. As he backs up to his vehicle he begins to turn towards the front of the store away from the shooter."
It also notes investigators used a scanner that helps capture measurement and distance to find that Drejka was about 12 feet from McGlockton when he fired the shot.
Drejka has remained largely a mystery to the public in the weeks since the shooting. The Tampa Bay Times reported last week that he has been the accused aggressor in four incidents since 2012. He was not arrested in any of the cases and does not have a criminal history in Florida.
His arrest warrant notes three out of four of the prior cases. Two were road rage incidents documented by law enforcement in which he was accused of showing a gun. A third was an argument a few months ago over the same parking space in which Drejka confronted another man, Rick Kelly, and threatened to shoot him.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/Shooter-charged-with-manslaughter-in-Clearwater-stand-your-ground-case_170853729
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A man who was captured on surveillance video fatally shooting another man in Clearwater, Florida, during a parking-spot spat as his young son watched nearby will not be arrested or charged by police, according to Pinellas County Sheriff.
"I don't make the law. I enforce the law," Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference today. "The law in the state of Florida today is that people have a right to stand their ground and have a right to defend themselves when they believe that they are in harm."
The sheriff announced the case will be sent to the state attorney's office for review.
"This will go to the state attorney. Drejka will not be charged [and] will not be arrested by us," Sheriff Gualtieri said. "The state attorney will review it and either he’ll concur or not. And, if he concurs, then there’ll be no charge. Period. If he doesn’t concur, then he’ll make a determination as to what to do with it. And, if he feels like he can overcome that heavy burden at a Stand Your Ground hearing of proving by clear and convincing evidence that Drejka was not entitled to use force in this circumstance, then that’s the state attorney’s determination to make."
According to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office, around 3:28 p.m. Thursday, Britany Jacobs, 24, was sitting in her car in a handicapped parking space outside a Circle A Food Store while her boyfriend Markeis McGlockton, 28, and their son Markeis McGlockton Jr., 5, went into the store.
While the father and son were in the store, Jacobs was approached by Michael Drejka, 47, police said. The two then got into an argument because of where Jacobs was parked, according to police.
"According to witnesses, McGlockton exited the store and walked over to Drejka who was still arguing with Jacobs in the parking lot. Witnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-parking-space-shooting-charged-stand-ground-law/story?id=56715356