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MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 10:40am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 10:40am
Hassan_Rouhani says
Wrong , NOT same situation, it was a SINGLE push, not "continued beating".
Strategist says
Exactly, there was distance between him, and when the shooter pulled his gun, the dead guy actually backed off and turned sideways. No need to pull the trigger.
Hassan_Rouhani says
How long do you usually allow your wife to take verbal abuse from a stranger before you step in and stop it? What's your time frame?
Another patron came into the store to notify everyone inside what was going on with the white guy. Wouldn't that be a cause for concern?
Strategist says
His past history proves that.
Remember that thug who sucker punched some guy and continued beating him while the victim was laying on the ground? The one which ate a bullet for his valiant deed? Same situation.
Wrong , NOT same situation, it was a SINGLE push, not "continued beating".
Strategist says
The shooters life was not in danger when the black guy pushed him away.
Exactly, there was distance between him, and when the shooter pulled his gun, the dead guy actually backed off and turned sideways. No need to pull the trigger.
Hassan_Rouhani says
The other dude should've kept it on this level instead of escalating it into physical realm and effectively writing a check he was unable to cash.
How long do you usually allow your wife to take verbal abuse from a stranger before you step in and stop it? What's your time frame?
Another patron came into the store to notify everyone inside what was going on with the white guy. Wouldn't that be a cause for concern?
Strategist says
The shooter seems to have uncontrolled anger issues.
His past history proves that.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 12:07pm
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 12:07pm
MrMagic says
I'll commit a sin of self-quoting:
"It's a matter of perception: one thing is to armchair quarterbacking while looking at videos from various angles and the whole 'nother is assessing the situation in fractions of seconds while being on the ground after suprise punch/slam by some big dude."
The jury (if it comes to that) will be instructed by the judge to look at it from the perspective of split-second decisions by a person being suddenly attacked and put in a disadvantaged position. The prosecution won't touch this unless there is pressure from BLM-type hysterical crowd.
Exactly, there was distance between him, and when the shooter pulled his gun, the dead guy actually backed off and turned sideways. No need to pull the trigger.
I'll commit a sin of self-quoting:
"It's a matter of perception: one thing is to armchair quarterbacking while looking at videos from various angles and the whole 'nother is assessing the situation in fractions of seconds while being on the ground after suprise punch/slam by some big dude."
The jury (if it comes to that) will be instructed by the judge to look at it from the perspective of split-second decisions by a person being suddenly attacked and put in a disadvantaged position. The prosecution won't touch this unless there is pressure from BLM-type hysterical crowd.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 12:15pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 12:15pm
Hassan_Rouhani says
Here's a statement from the Sheriff:
...."The sheriff, however, said the circumstances surrounding the shooting were not clear-cut.
"There is a pause — even if it's only for a couple seconds — there is a pause between the time Drejka hits the ground and he shoots. That pause gives me pause," Gualtieri said. "That pause gives me some concern. And it goes back to what I said when I opened: just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
Even the sheriff is questioning if it was justified.
I'll commit a sin of self-quoting:
"It's a matter of perception: one thing is to armchair quarterbacking while looking at videos from various angles and the whole 'nother is assessing the situation in fractions of seconds while being on the ground after suprise punch/slam by some big dude."
The jury (if it comes to that) will be instructed by the judge to look at it from the perspective of split-second decisions by a person being suddenly attacked and put in a disadvantaged position. The prosecution won't touch this unless there is pressure from BLM-type hysterical crowd.
Here's a statement from the Sheriff:
...."The sheriff, however, said the circumstances surrounding the shooting were not clear-cut.
"There is a pause — even if it's only for a couple seconds — there is a pause between the time Drejka hits the ground and he shoots. That pause gives me pause," Gualtieri said. "That pause gives me some concern. And it goes back to what I said when I opened: just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
Even the sheriff is questioning if it was justified.
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 23, 3:05pm
A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity,
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and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force,
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including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony
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The fellow was assaulted, I would imagine a beating would be a felony. But seriously, if a dude is arguing with your moronic girlfriend who is too lazy to park farther away and would rather use a handicapped parking place, your first reaction is to blindside the guy and push him to the ground?
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and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force,
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including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony
- check?
The fellow was assaulted, I would imagine a beating would be a felony. But seriously, if a dude is arguing with your moronic girlfriend who is too lazy to park farther away and would rather use a handicapped parking place, your first reaction is to blindside the guy and push him to the ground?
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 3:13pm
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 23, 3:13pm
MrMagic says
Naturally: he has BLM crowd to appease and doesn't want to be pushed out of his job over this shit.
Even the sheriff is questioning if it was justified.
Naturally: he has BLM crowd to appease and doesn't want to be pushed out of his job over this shit.
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 23, 3:30pm
Hassan_Rouhani says
Naturally: he has BLM crowd to appease and doesn't want to be pushed out of his job over this shit.Protesters held signs calling the law racist, I guess acknowledging that poor impulse control is somehow a racial trait?
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Heraclitusstudent
2018 Jul 23, 5:19pm
Heraclitusstudent
2018 Jul 23, 5:19pm
MisterLefty says
How could it be "stand your ground" if the guy was not standing?
Witnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.
How could it be "stand your ground" if the guy was not standing?
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 6:23pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 6:23pm
MisterLefty says
So is pulling out a gun and pointing it at someone.
We won't mention about shooting a guy who was moving away from you and turning around when you pulled the trigger.
Hassan_Rouhani says
He is actually a Anti-Gun Sheriff, he's just doing a major CYA.
I would imagine a beating would be a felony.
So is pulling out a gun and pointing it at someone.
We won't mention about shooting a guy who was moving away from you and turning around when you pulled the trigger.
Hassan_Rouhani says
MrMagic saysEven the sheriff is questioning if it was justified.
Naturally: he has BLM crowd to appease and doesn't want to be pushed out of his job over this shit.
He is actually a Anti-Gun Sheriff, he's just doing a major CYA.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 6:26pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 23, 6:26pm
MisterLefty says
I agree, shooting and killing a guy because you got a little bump is really bad impulse control.
But, the white guy has a history of bad impulse control, pulling a gun during a road rage incident, and has multiple times verbally harrassed patrons at that same store.
Hope he has a good attorney.
I guess acknowledging that poor impulse control is somehow a racial trait?
I agree, shooting and killing a guy because you got a little bump is really bad impulse control.
But, the white guy has a history of bad impulse control, pulling a gun during a road rage incident, and has multiple times verbally harrassed patrons at that same store.
Hope he has a good attorney.
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Strategist
2018 Jul 23, 7:04pm
Strategist
2018 Jul 23, 7:04pm
MisterLefty says
We don't know if this shooting was really racially motivated. Every time a Black man dies at the hands of a White man, we have protesters claiming racism. So stupid.
Hassan_Rouhani saysNaturally: he has BLM crowd to appease and doesn't want to be pushed out of his job over this shit.Protesters held signs calling the law racist, I guess acknowledging that poor impulse control is somehow a racial trait?
We don't know if this shooting was really racially motivated. Every time a Black man dies at the hands of a White man, we have protesters claiming racism. So stupid.
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komputodo
2018 Jul 23, 9:18pm
komputodo
2018 Jul 23, 9:18pm
MrMagic says
Or maybe he just has an "itchy" trigger finger.
I agree, shooting and killing a guy because you got a little bump is really bad impulse control.
Or maybe he just has an "itchy" trigger finger.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:36am
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:36am
We could make it fun and bet on the outcome instead of rehashing the same tired shit.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:42am
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:42am
MrMagic says
Not after the assault has started. The one who starts the physical shit owns the shit through and through.
And I guarantee you that if tables were turned and we had a feeble older dude coming out of the store and seeing 6'8" 260lbs young guy telling his girlfriend she's abusing the handicap spot there would be no pushing, no Sir Ree Bob.
MisterLefty saysI would imagine a beating would be a felony.
So is pulling out a gun and pointing it at someone
Not after the assault has started. The one who starts the physical shit owns the shit through and through.
And I guarantee you that if tables were turned and we had a feeble older dude coming out of the store and seeing 6'8" 260lbs young guy telling his girlfriend she's abusing the handicap spot there would be no pushing, no Sir Ree Bob.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:46am
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 24, 7:46am
Heraclitusstudent says
Yeah, looks more like "sit your ground" from the video.
MisterLefty saysWitnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.
How could it be "stand your ground" if the guy was not standing?
Yeah, looks more like "sit your ground" from the video.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 8:53am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 8:53am
Hassan_Rouhani says
Exactly..
The white dude can't START a verbal assault on an unknown person, then claim "Stand your Ground" when someone else shuts him up from that assault.
Plus, the white dude has a history of starting shit with other patrons, so there's that too....
MrMagic saysMisterLefty saysI would imagine a beating would be a felony.
So is pulling out a gun and pointing it at someone
Not after the assault has started. The one who starts the physical shit owns the shit through and through
Exactly..
The white dude can't START a verbal assault on an unknown person, then claim "Stand your Ground" when someone else shuts him up from that assault.
Plus, the white dude has a history of starting shit with other patrons, so there's that too....
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 24, 9:51am
MrMagic says
The white dude can't START a verbal assaultYou are making up nonsense. Verbal assault! OMG, you are engaged in writing assault! LOL.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 10:01am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 10:01am
MisterLefty says
verbal-assault
Noun
(plural verbal assaults)
Often used other than as an idiom: an assault that is verbal.
(US, law) Oral or written speech that creates, or is intended to create, a fear of physical harm
http://www.yourdictionary.com/verbal-assault
Oops..... "nonsense"?
MrMagic saysThe white dude can't START a verbal assaultYou are making up nonsense. Verbal assault! OMG, you are engaged in writing assault! LOL.
verbal-assault
Noun
(plural verbal assaults)
Often used other than as an idiom: an assault that is verbal.
(US, law) Oral or written speech that creates, or is intended to create, a fear of physical harm
http://www.yourdictionary.com/verbal-assault
Oops..... "nonsense"?
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 10:10am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 10:10am
Clearwater gunman confronted man over parking spot weeks before Stand Your Ground shooting.
...."Kelly asked Drejka if his mom was nearby and offered to move his tanker. That’s when he says Drejka became furious.
"He flipped out on me called me every n-word, said he's going to shoot me," Kelly said. "He said he was going to kill me, and he went back to his truck, got something out of his truck and walked back up on me."
Store owner Ali Salous came out and shut down the confrontation.
"I didn't know this was going to happen two months later with another guy. It's really sad," he said.
Salous says Drejka has a history of confrontations in and around his store.
"He told me I can't help it. Every time I do this I get in trouble, and I can't help it. I keep doing it," Salous said.
Kelly said Drejka called his job and left a threatening voice mail on the answering service.
http://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2018/07/23/clearwater-gunman-confronted-man-over-parking-spot-weeks-before-stand-your-ground-shooting
...."Kelly asked Drejka if his mom was nearby and offered to move his tanker. That’s when he says Drejka became furious.
"He flipped out on me called me every n-word, said he's going to shoot me," Kelly said. "He said he was going to kill me, and he went back to his truck, got something out of his truck and walked back up on me."
Store owner Ali Salous came out and shut down the confrontation.
"I didn't know this was going to happen two months later with another guy. It's really sad," he said.
Salous says Drejka has a history of confrontations in and around his store.
"He told me I can't help it. Every time I do this I get in trouble, and I can't help it. I keep doing it," Salous said.
Kelly said Drejka called his job and left a threatening voice mail on the answering service.
http://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2018/07/23/clearwater-gunman-confronted-man-over-parking-spot-weeks-before-stand-your-ground-shooting
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 24, 3:40pm
MrMagic says
Well, I ain't a Florida lawyer, but here is the applicable statute.
ASSAULT; BATTERY; CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE
View Entire Chapter
784.011 Assault.—
(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.
(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.e,
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html
Please provide a link to the girlfriend's statements verifying that Drejka threatened to do violence to her. Merely haranguing someone for parking illegally would not rise to the definition of verbal assault as defined under Florida law.
Oops..... "nonsense"?
Well, I ain't a Florida lawyer, but here is the applicable statute.
ASSAULT; BATTERY; CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE
View Entire Chapter
784.011 Assault.—
(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.
(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.e,
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html
Please provide a link to the girlfriend's statements verifying that Drejka threatened to do violence to her. Merely haranguing someone for parking illegally would not rise to the definition of verbal assault as defined under Florida law.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 7:08pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 7:08pm
MisterLefty says
to the Florida statutes where it says you can take another person's life with a gun when you're shoved.
Please provide a link
to the Florida statutes where it says you can take another person's life with a gun when you're shoved.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 7:13pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 24, 7:13pm
MisterLefty says
Do you specifically know what he said to her for the few minutes he was giving her shit before her boyfriend came out and stopped it?
Lets see what we know about his PAST behavior:
MrMagic says
Hmmmm, anyone want to take a bet what his conversation was THIS time? Sure sounds like the white dude was doing this LAST time, when he threatened to shoot that guy:
MisterLefty says
Do zebras usually change their stripes?
Merely haranguing someone for parking illegally would not rise to the definition of verbal assault as defined under Florida law.
Do you specifically know what he said to her for the few minutes he was giving her shit before her boyfriend came out and stopped it?
Lets see what we know about his PAST behavior:
MrMagic says
He flipped out on me called me every n-word, said he's going to shoot me," Kelly said. "He said he was going to kill me, and he went back to his truck, got something out of his truck and walked back up on me."
Store owner Ali Salous came out and shut down the confrontation.
"I didn't know this was going to happen two months later with another guy. It's really sad," he said.
Salous says Drejka has a history of confrontations in and around his store.
"He told me I can't help it. Every time I do this I get in trouble, and I can't help it. I keep doing it," Salous said.
Hmmmm, anyone want to take a bet what his conversation was THIS time? Sure sounds like the white dude was doing this LAST time, when he threatened to shoot that guy:
MisterLefty says
An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.
Do zebras usually change their stripes?
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MisterLefty
2018 Jul 24, 7:17pm
MrMagic says
Hint: Things that you imagine to have happened and reality are two different things. You claimed verbal assault, giving an irrelevant definition, and yet cannot provide any proof whatever to back up your assertion. From the interviews the girlfriend has given, including to HuffPo, no such assertion of threats were described. They are in your head. You keep making things up, and sadly for you, you belief your own bs.
to the Florida statutes where it says you can take another person's life with a gun when you're shoved.You are continuing to make things up. Your assertion of verbal assault is a fantasy in your head only. The police refused to arrest him, noting the violent push. MrMagic says
Hmmmm, anyone want to take a bet what his conversation was THIS time? Sure sounds like the white dude was doing this LAST time, when he threatened to shoot that guy:
Hint: Things that you imagine to have happened and reality are two different things. You claimed verbal assault, giving an irrelevant definition, and yet cannot provide any proof whatever to back up your assertion. From the interviews the girlfriend has given, including to HuffPo, no such assertion of threats were described. They are in your head. You keep making things up, and sadly for you, you belief your own bs.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 2:23pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 2:23pm
Oops..... Right decision.
Shooter charged with manslaughter in Clearwater stand your ground case.
Prosecutors charged Michael Drejka, the man accused of killing Markeis McGlockton in a shooting that has reignited a debate over Florida’s stand your ground law, with manslaughter Monday.
The warrant notes what McGlockton’s family and their lawyers have pointed out to show that Drejka’s fear wasn’t reasonable.
"Drejka steadies the firearm with both hands," it says. "McGlockton immediately backs up when confronted with the firearm. As he backs up to his vehicle he begins to turn towards the front of the store away from the shooter."
It also notes investigators used a scanner that helps capture measurement and distance to find that Drejka was about 12 feet from McGlockton when he fired the shot.
Drejka has remained largely a mystery to the public in the weeks since the shooting. The Tampa Bay Times reported last week that he has been the accused aggressor in four incidents since 2012. He was not arrested in any of the cases and does not have a criminal history in Florida.
His arrest warrant notes three out of four of the prior cases. Two were road rage incidents documented by law enforcement in which he was accused of showing a gun. A third was an argument a few months ago over the same parking space in which Drejka confronted another man, Rick Kelly, and threatened to shoot him.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/Shooter-charged-with-manslaughter-in-Clearwater-stand-your-ground-case_170853729
Shooter charged with manslaughter in Clearwater stand your ground case.
Prosecutors charged Michael Drejka, the man accused of killing Markeis McGlockton in a shooting that has reignited a debate over Florida’s stand your ground law, with manslaughter Monday.
The warrant notes what McGlockton’s family and their lawyers have pointed out to show that Drejka’s fear wasn’t reasonable.
"Drejka steadies the firearm with both hands," it says. "McGlockton immediately backs up when confronted with the firearm. As he backs up to his vehicle he begins to turn towards the front of the store away from the shooter."
It also notes investigators used a scanner that helps capture measurement and distance to find that Drejka was about 12 feet from McGlockton when he fired the shot.
Drejka has remained largely a mystery to the public in the weeks since the shooting. The Tampa Bay Times reported last week that he has been the accused aggressor in four incidents since 2012. He was not arrested in any of the cases and does not have a criminal history in Florida.
His arrest warrant notes three out of four of the prior cases. Two were road rage incidents documented by law enforcement in which he was accused of showing a gun. A third was an argument a few months ago over the same parking space in which Drejka confronted another man, Rick Kelly, and threatened to shoot him.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/Shooter-charged-with-manslaughter-in-Clearwater-stand-your-ground-case_170853729
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 6:44pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 6:44pm
DASKAA says
Funny how that happens when a guy is murdered in cold blood.
So they decided to go ahead and waste taxpayer's money after all...
Funny how that happens when a guy is murdered in cold blood.
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RWSGFY
2018 Aug 13, 6:57pm
RWSGFY
2018 Aug 13, 6:57pm
MrMagic says
Funny how all these charges pressed at the mob's demand tend to blow up in court.
DASKAA saysSo they decided to go ahead and waste taxpayer's money after all...
Funny how that happens when a guy is murdered in cold blood.
Funny how all these charges pressed at the mob's demand tend to blow up in court.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 7:15pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 7:15pm
DASKAA says
Except the prosecutors wanted to charge him on day one, but the Sheriff put pressure on them not to. So after they did their investigation and had their evidence, they went forward and charged the guy and said fuck you to the Sheriff.
Don't bet the farm that it blows up in court.
MrMagic says
So, does the 12 feet of distance make it look like the shooter was in immediate harm?
MrMagic saysDASKAA saysSo they decided to go ahead and waste taxpayer's money after all...
Funny how that happens when a guy is murdered in cold blood.
Funny how all these charges pressed at the mob's demand tend to blow up in court.
Except the prosecutors wanted to charge him on day one, but the Sheriff put pressure on them not to. So after they did their investigation and had their evidence, they went forward and charged the guy and said fuck you to the Sheriff.
Don't bet the farm that it blows up in court.
MrMagic says
It also notes investigators used a scanner that helps capture measurement and distance to find that Drejka was about 12 feet from McGlockton when he fired the shot.
So, does the 12 feet of distance make it look like the shooter was in immediate harm?
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RWSGFY
2018 Aug 13, 8:18pm
RWSGFY
2018 Aug 13, 8:18pm
MrMagic says
Yawn, we've been through this many, many times:
"Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, "How Close is Too Close?"[1][2]
A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being accused of murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.
....
MythBusters covered the drill in the 2012 episode "Duel Dilemmas". At 20 ft (6.1 m), the gun-wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot."
If 21ft is generally accepted "clear threat zone" when the defender is standing up, how does 12ft look, especially if defender is laying/sitting on the ground and being very vulnerable to a kick to the head? It doesn't look good at all.
So, does the 12 feet of distance make it look like the shooter was in immediate harm?
Yawn, we've been through this many, many times:
"Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, "How Close is Too Close?"[1][2]
A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being accused of murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.
....
MythBusters covered the drill in the 2012 episode "Duel Dilemmas". At 20 ft (6.1 m), the gun-wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot."
If 21ft is generally accepted "clear threat zone" when the defender is standing up, how does 12ft look, especially if defender is laying/sitting on the ground and being very vulnerable to a kick to the head? It doesn't look good at all.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 8:43pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 8:43pm
DASKAA says
Reading is fundamental...
MrMagic says
Please point out anywhere in the articles where it says the black dude was moving TOWARDS the shooter when the trigger was pulled. He WASN'T charging the shooter, even though your fantasy sees it that way.
DASKAA says
Yes we have, it takes some longer than others to understand the FACTS.
how does 12ft look, especially if defender is laying/sitting on the ground and being very vulnerable to a kick to the head?
Reading is fundamental...
MrMagic says
"Drejka steadies the firearm with both hands," it says. "McGlockton immediately backs up when confronted with the firearm. As he backs up to his vehicle he begins to turn towards the front of the store away from the shooter."
Please point out anywhere in the articles where it says the black dude was moving TOWARDS the shooter when the trigger was pulled. He WASN'T charging the shooter, even though your fantasy sees it that way.
DASKAA says
Yawn, we've been through this many, many times:
Yes we have, it takes some longer than others to understand the FACTS.
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Hircus
2018 Aug 13, 11:00pm
Hircus
2018 Aug 13, 11:00pm
Maybe there's other elements of the situation I'm not aware of that would make me more understanding of the shooter's fear, but from what I can see, the video is pretty damning - shooting that man wasn't justified. I can understand the argument that the black man had just assaulted him, and that at such close range he could stop backing up, pull out a knife, lunge at him and stab him all in under 1.137 seconds....but I think there was way too much indication that drawing the gun had - at least for the moment - improved the situation to one where his level of safety was modest or even good.
While his safety certainly wasn't 100% assured by drawing his gun, we just can't have a society where if someone has the slightest fear, they're allowed to shoot someone. Too many people would be unjustly shot out of "fear" (legit fear, or the convenient kind). I don't know how to draw the line between how much self-danger / risk you must tolerate before you can defend yourself with lethal force, but I don't feel the line was crossed here, and so I'm glad to hear they're charging the shooter.
While his safety certainly wasn't 100% assured by drawing his gun, we just can't have a society where if someone has the slightest fear, they're allowed to shoot someone. Too many people would be unjustly shot out of "fear" (legit fear, or the convenient kind). I don't know how to draw the line between how much self-danger / risk you must tolerate before you can defend yourself with lethal force, but I don't feel the line was crossed here, and so I'm glad to hear they're charging the shooter.
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komputodo
2018 Aug 13, 11:48pm
komputodo
2018 Aug 13, 11:48pm
Hircus says
Seems to me, the system always has been, if he's dark skinned and bigger than you, you get a free pass to shoot him. It's worked all these years.
While his safety certainly wasn't 100% assured by drawing his gun, we just can't have a society where if someone has the slightest fear, they're allowed to shoot someone. Too many people would be unjustly shot out of "fear" (legit fear, or the convenient kind). I don't know how to draw the line between how much self-danger / risk you must tolerate before you can defend yourself with lethal force,
Seems to me, the system always has been, if he's dark skinned and bigger than you, you get a free pass to shoot him. It's worked all these years.
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RWSGFY
2018 Aug 14, 7:50am
RWSGFY
2018 Aug 14, 7:50am
Hircus says
All it takes is a kick to the head. The jury will be instructed to assess the situation from the point of view of the guy sitting on the ground, not from the point of view of someone sitting in an armchair in front of a monitor slow-playing video shot from completely different angle.
pull out a knife, lunge at him and stab him all in under 1.137 seconds
All it takes is a kick to the head. The jury will be instructed to assess the situation from the point of view of the guy sitting on the ground, not from the point of view of someone sitting in an armchair in front of a monitor slow-playing video shot from completely different angle.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 8:03am
MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 8:03am
ThreeBays says
The funny thing, he's not parked in a designated parking spot either.
Can you say "hot -headed hypocrite"?
After checking out the car, he's pretty clearly gesturing at the woman as to why is she parked in the reserved disabled spot, instead of the non-reserved spots right by him. She's in the wrong at this point,
The funny thing, he's not parked in a designated parking spot either.
Can you say "hot -headed hypocrite"?
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 7:27pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 7:27pm
Florida man threatened people 3 different times before shooting man in 'stand your ground' case.
About three months ago, Richard Kelly told a Pinellas County Sheriff's Office detective he was confronted by Drejka at Circle A Food Store, the same store where he shot McGlockton. Drejka, documents said, was upset because Kelly parked in a handicapped-accessible spot. The exchange between the two became very loud and Kelly said at some point during the argument Drejka told him he was going to shoot him, documents said.
Court documents said Drejka wanted to voice his complaint to Kelly's employer, AA Cut-Rate Septic Tank Service, so he spoke to the owner, John Tyler. Drejka told the business owner he was lucky he didn't blow his employee's head off, documents said.
On December 12, 2012, a woman told a Largo Police Department officer that a man driving a black Toyota truck, later identified as Drejka, pointed a gun at her and the passengers in the vehicle. The officer spoke with Drejka, documents said, and he told the officer the woman was driving too slow through a school zone.
Drejka denied pointing a gun at the occupants of the car, documents said, but he did have a gun in his vehicle.
On January 10, 2012, Tyler Smith, 18, was driving with a friend when a traffic light turned yellow. Smith decided not to drive through the light and stopped his vehicle.
A truck, driven by Drejka, was behind Smith. Drejka honked his horn, documents said, and yelled at Smith. Drejka held a black handgun out the driver's side window of his vehicle and motioned for Smith to walk back to his truck, documents said. Drejka then followed the teen's vehicle, passed it and slammed on his brakes, according to police reports.
Drejka was driving his truck down US Route 19 Alternate in Pinellas County on November 13, 2013, when a woman turned onto the route, pulling into the center lane so that Drejka could pass, according to a police report. She then pulled out behind Drejka.
Drejka would later tell a state trooper that he felt the woman, who had her 4- and 7-year-old children in the car, almost hit him when she pulled into the center lane, the police report said. He began hitting his brakes "in an aggressive manner," closing the distance between him and the woman, the report said.
As she got closer, he again slammed his brakes aggressively and the woman rear-ended him, the report said.
"Based on my training and experience and the damage to both vehicles, (Drejka) did not attempt to turn prior to the crash," the trooper wrote in the report, which said Drejka was cited for stopping or sudden decrease in speed without signaling.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/florida-stand-your-ground-previous-incidents/index.html
Sounds like a really mentally unstable guy with a "small dick" syndrome.
But, but, but, Drejka was in fear that his head was going to be kicked in from 10 feet away, that's why he pulled the trigger....
Yeah, sure....
About three months ago, Richard Kelly told a Pinellas County Sheriff's Office detective he was confronted by Drejka at Circle A Food Store, the same store where he shot McGlockton. Drejka, documents said, was upset because Kelly parked in a handicapped-accessible spot. The exchange between the two became very loud and Kelly said at some point during the argument Drejka told him he was going to shoot him, documents said.
Court documents said Drejka wanted to voice his complaint to Kelly's employer, AA Cut-Rate Septic Tank Service, so he spoke to the owner, John Tyler. Drejka told the business owner he was lucky he didn't blow his employee's head off, documents said.
On December 12, 2012, a woman told a Largo Police Department officer that a man driving a black Toyota truck, later identified as Drejka, pointed a gun at her and the passengers in the vehicle. The officer spoke with Drejka, documents said, and he told the officer the woman was driving too slow through a school zone.
Drejka denied pointing a gun at the occupants of the car, documents said, but he did have a gun in his vehicle.
On January 10, 2012, Tyler Smith, 18, was driving with a friend when a traffic light turned yellow. Smith decided not to drive through the light and stopped his vehicle.
A truck, driven by Drejka, was behind Smith. Drejka honked his horn, documents said, and yelled at Smith. Drejka held a black handgun out the driver's side window of his vehicle and motioned for Smith to walk back to his truck, documents said. Drejka then followed the teen's vehicle, passed it and slammed on his brakes, according to police reports.
Drejka was driving his truck down US Route 19 Alternate in Pinellas County on November 13, 2013, when a woman turned onto the route, pulling into the center lane so that Drejka could pass, according to a police report. She then pulled out behind Drejka.
Drejka would later tell a state trooper that he felt the woman, who had her 4- and 7-year-old children in the car, almost hit him when she pulled into the center lane, the police report said. He began hitting his brakes "in an aggressive manner," closing the distance between him and the woman, the report said.
As she got closer, he again slammed his brakes aggressively and the woman rear-ended him, the report said.
"Based on my training and experience and the damage to both vehicles, (Drejka) did not attempt to turn prior to the crash," the trooper wrote in the report, which said Drejka was cited for stopping or sudden decrease in speed without signaling.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/florida-stand-your-ground-previous-incidents/index.html
Sounds like a really mentally unstable guy with a "small dick" syndrome.
But, but, but, Drejka was in fear that his head was going to be kicked in from 10 feet away, that's why he pulled the trigger....
Yeah, sure....
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RWSGFY
2018 Aug 14, 7:32pm
RWSGFY
2018 Aug 14, 7:32pm
MrMagic says
... who's been previously charged with assault and battery. There are no angels in that story. But the first illegal act on that particular day was the physical assault on the guy who was simply talking. BTW, the woman who exits the safety of her car can't claim she was "assaulted" or even "scared", so the notion of her boyfriend "defending" her won't fly.
Florida man threatened people 3 different times before shooting man ...
... who's been previously charged with assault and battery. There are no angels in that story. But the first illegal act on that particular day was the physical assault on the guy who was simply talking. BTW, the woman who exits the safety of her car can't claim she was "assaulted" or even "scared", so the notion of her boyfriend "defending" her won't fly.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 8:23pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 8:23pm
DASKAA says
So, in your mind, if someone bumps you trying to get ahead of you in the grocery store line, that gives you carte blanche to pull out your CCW and bam, bam, bam, I was just "Standing My Ground" because he pushed me for no reason?
Is that how it works now?
But the first illegal act on that particular day was the physical assault on the guy who was simply talking.
So, in your mind, if someone bumps you trying to get ahead of you in the grocery store line, that gives you carte blanche to pull out your CCW and bam, bam, bam, I was just "Standing My Ground" because he pushed me for no reason?
Is that how it works now?
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Hircus
2018 Aug 15, 12:56am
Hircus
2018 Aug 15, 12:56am
DASKAA says
I think we all would hope so? This thread is more of a morals / ideals discussion. Everyone here knows the real situation may have "other elements" that we aren't aware of.
True, but that doesn't mean you can shoot someone out of fear of an outcome that isn't very certain to occur. Shooting people for little stuff like that is crazy, and I hope all such potential/idealistic shooters get removed from the society I live in.
The jury will be instructed to assess the situation from the point of view of the guy sitting on the ground, not from the point of view of someone sitting in an armchair in front of a monitor slow-playing video shot from completely different angle.
I think we all would hope so? This thread is more of a morals / ideals discussion. Everyone here knows the real situation may have "other elements" that we aren't aware of.
All it takes is a kick to the head.
True, but that doesn't mean you can shoot someone out of fear of an outcome that isn't very certain to occur. Shooting people for little stuff like that is crazy, and I hope all such potential/idealistic shooters get removed from the society I live in.
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A man who was captured on surveillance video fatally shooting another man in Clearwater, Florida, during a parking-spot spat as his young son watched nearby will not be arrested or charged by police, according to Pinellas County Sheriff.
"I don't make the law. I enforce the law," Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference today. "The law in the state of Florida today is that people have a right to stand their ground and have a right to defend themselves when they believe that they are in harm."
The sheriff announced the case will be sent to the state attorney's office for review.
"This will go to the state attorney. Drejka will not be charged [and] will not be arrested by us," Sheriff Gualtieri said. "The state attorney will review it and either he’ll concur or not. And, if he concurs, then there’ll be no charge. Period. If he doesn’t concur, then he’ll make a determination as to what to do with it. And, if he feels like he can overcome that heavy burden at a Stand Your Ground hearing of proving by clear and convincing evidence that Drejka was not entitled to use force in this circumstance, then that’s the state attorney’s determination to make."
According to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office, around 3:28 p.m. Thursday, Britany Jacobs, 24, was sitting in her car in a handicapped parking space outside a Circle A Food Store while her boyfriend Markeis McGlockton, 28, and their son Markeis McGlockton Jr., 5, went into the store.
While the father and son were in the store, Jacobs was approached by Michael Drejka, 47, police said. The two then got into an argument because of where Jacobs was parked, according to police.
"According to witnesses, McGlockton exited the store and walked over to Drejka who was still arguing with Jacobs in the parking lot. Witnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-parking-space-shooting-charged-stand-ground-law/story?id=56715356