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MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 6:44pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 6:44pm
DASKAA says
Funny how that happens when a guy is murdered in cold blood.
So they decided to go ahead and waste taxpayer's money after all...
Funny how that happens when a guy is murdered in cold blood.
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RWSGFY
2018 Aug 13, 6:57pm
RWSGFY
2018 Aug 13, 6:57pm
MrMagic says
Funny how all these charges pressed at the mob's demand tend to blow up in court.
DASKAA saysSo they decided to go ahead and waste taxpayer's money after all...
Funny how that happens when a guy is murdered in cold blood.
Funny how all these charges pressed at the mob's demand tend to blow up in court.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 7:15pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 7:15pm
DASKAA says
Except the prosecutors wanted to charge him on day one, but the Sheriff put pressure on them not to. So after they did their investigation and had their evidence, they went forward and charged the guy and said fuck you to the Sheriff.
Don't bet the farm that it blows up in court.
MrMagic says
So, does the 12 feet of distance make it look like the shooter was in immediate harm?
MrMagic saysDASKAA saysSo they decided to go ahead and waste taxpayer's money after all...
Funny how that happens when a guy is murdered in cold blood.
Funny how all these charges pressed at the mob's demand tend to blow up in court.
Except the prosecutors wanted to charge him on day one, but the Sheriff put pressure on them not to. So after they did their investigation and had their evidence, they went forward and charged the guy and said fuck you to the Sheriff.
Don't bet the farm that it blows up in court.
MrMagic says
It also notes investigators used a scanner that helps capture measurement and distance to find that Drejka was about 12 feet from McGlockton when he fired the shot.
So, does the 12 feet of distance make it look like the shooter was in immediate harm?
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RWSGFY
2018 Aug 13, 8:18pm
RWSGFY
2018 Aug 13, 8:18pm
MrMagic says
Yawn, we've been through this many, many times:
"Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, "How Close is Too Close?"[1][2]
A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being accused of murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.
....
MythBusters covered the drill in the 2012 episode "Duel Dilemmas". At 20 ft (6.1 m), the gun-wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot."
If 21ft is generally accepted "clear threat zone" when the defender is standing up, how does 12ft look, especially if defender is laying/sitting on the ground and being very vulnerable to a kick to the head? It doesn't look good at all.
So, does the 12 feet of distance make it look like the shooter was in immediate harm?
Yawn, we've been through this many, many times:
"Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, "How Close is Too Close?"[1][2]
A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being accused of murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.
....
MythBusters covered the drill in the 2012 episode "Duel Dilemmas". At 20 ft (6.1 m), the gun-wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot."
If 21ft is generally accepted "clear threat zone" when the defender is standing up, how does 12ft look, especially if defender is laying/sitting on the ground and being very vulnerable to a kick to the head? It doesn't look good at all.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 8:43pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 13, 8:43pm
DASKAA says
Reading is fundamental...
MrMagic says
Please point out anywhere in the articles where it says the black dude was moving TOWARDS the shooter when the trigger was pulled. He WASN'T charging the shooter, even though your fantasy sees it that way.
DASKAA says
Yes we have, it takes some longer than others to understand the FACTS.
how does 12ft look, especially if defender is laying/sitting on the ground and being very vulnerable to a kick to the head?
Reading is fundamental...
MrMagic says
"Drejka steadies the firearm with both hands," it says. "McGlockton immediately backs up when confronted with the firearm. As he backs up to his vehicle he begins to turn towards the front of the store away from the shooter."
Please point out anywhere in the articles where it says the black dude was moving TOWARDS the shooter when the trigger was pulled. He WASN'T charging the shooter, even though your fantasy sees it that way.
DASKAA says
Yawn, we've been through this many, many times:
Yes we have, it takes some longer than others to understand the FACTS.
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Hircus
2018 Aug 13, 11:00pm
Hircus
2018 Aug 13, 11:00pm
Maybe there's other elements of the situation I'm not aware of that would make me more understanding of the shooter's fear, but from what I can see, the video is pretty damning - shooting that man wasn't justified. I can understand the argument that the black man had just assaulted him, and that at such close range he could stop backing up, pull out a knife, lunge at him and stab him all in under 1.137 seconds....but I think there was way too much indication that drawing the gun had - at least for the moment - improved the situation to one where his level of safety was modest or even good.
While his safety certainly wasn't 100% assured by drawing his gun, we just can't have a society where if someone has the slightest fear, they're allowed to shoot someone. Too many people would be unjustly shot out of "fear" (legit fear, or the convenient kind). I don't know how to draw the line between how much self-danger / risk you must tolerate before you can defend yourself with lethal force, but I don't feel the line was crossed here, and so I'm glad to hear they're charging the shooter.
While his safety certainly wasn't 100% assured by drawing his gun, we just can't have a society where if someone has the slightest fear, they're allowed to shoot someone. Too many people would be unjustly shot out of "fear" (legit fear, or the convenient kind). I don't know how to draw the line between how much self-danger / risk you must tolerate before you can defend yourself with lethal force, but I don't feel the line was crossed here, and so I'm glad to hear they're charging the shooter.
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komputodo
2018 Aug 13, 11:48pm
komputodo
2018 Aug 13, 11:48pm
Hircus says
Seems to me, the system always has been, if he's dark skinned and bigger than you, you get a free pass to shoot him. It's worked all these years.
While his safety certainly wasn't 100% assured by drawing his gun, we just can't have a society where if someone has the slightest fear, they're allowed to shoot someone. Too many people would be unjustly shot out of "fear" (legit fear, or the convenient kind). I don't know how to draw the line between how much self-danger / risk you must tolerate before you can defend yourself with lethal force,
Seems to me, the system always has been, if he's dark skinned and bigger than you, you get a free pass to shoot him. It's worked all these years.
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RWSGFY
2018 Aug 14, 7:50am
RWSGFY
2018 Aug 14, 7:50am
Hircus says
All it takes is a kick to the head. The jury will be instructed to assess the situation from the point of view of the guy sitting on the ground, not from the point of view of someone sitting in an armchair in front of a monitor slow-playing video shot from completely different angle.
pull out a knife, lunge at him and stab him all in under 1.137 seconds
All it takes is a kick to the head. The jury will be instructed to assess the situation from the point of view of the guy sitting on the ground, not from the point of view of someone sitting in an armchair in front of a monitor slow-playing video shot from completely different angle.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 8:03am
MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 8:03am
ThreeBays says
The funny thing, he's not parked in a designated parking spot either.
Can you say "hot -headed hypocrite"?
After checking out the car, he's pretty clearly gesturing at the woman as to why is she parked in the reserved disabled spot, instead of the non-reserved spots right by him. She's in the wrong at this point,
The funny thing, he's not parked in a designated parking spot either.
Can you say "hot -headed hypocrite"?
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 7:27pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 7:27pm
Florida man threatened people 3 different times before shooting man in 'stand your ground' case.
About three months ago, Richard Kelly told a Pinellas County Sheriff's Office detective he was confronted by Drejka at Circle A Food Store, the same store where he shot McGlockton. Drejka, documents said, was upset because Kelly parked in a handicapped-accessible spot. The exchange between the two became very loud and Kelly said at some point during the argument Drejka told him he was going to shoot him, documents said.
Court documents said Drejka wanted to voice his complaint to Kelly's employer, AA Cut-Rate Septic Tank Service, so he spoke to the owner, John Tyler. Drejka told the business owner he was lucky he didn't blow his employee's head off, documents said.
On December 12, 2012, a woman told a Largo Police Department officer that a man driving a black Toyota truck, later identified as Drejka, pointed a gun at her and the passengers in the vehicle. The officer spoke with Drejka, documents said, and he told the officer the woman was driving too slow through a school zone.
Drejka denied pointing a gun at the occupants of the car, documents said, but he did have a gun in his vehicle.
On January 10, 2012, Tyler Smith, 18, was driving with a friend when a traffic light turned yellow. Smith decided not to drive through the light and stopped his vehicle.
A truck, driven by Drejka, was behind Smith. Drejka honked his horn, documents said, and yelled at Smith. Drejka held a black handgun out the driver's side window of his vehicle and motioned for Smith to walk back to his truck, documents said. Drejka then followed the teen's vehicle, passed it and slammed on his brakes, according to police reports.
Drejka was driving his truck down US Route 19 Alternate in Pinellas County on November 13, 2013, when a woman turned onto the route, pulling into the center lane so that Drejka could pass, according to a police report. She then pulled out behind Drejka.
Drejka would later tell a state trooper that he felt the woman, who had her 4- and 7-year-old children in the car, almost hit him when she pulled into the center lane, the police report said. He began hitting his brakes "in an aggressive manner," closing the distance between him and the woman, the report said.
As she got closer, he again slammed his brakes aggressively and the woman rear-ended him, the report said.
"Based on my training and experience and the damage to both vehicles, (Drejka) did not attempt to turn prior to the crash," the trooper wrote in the report, which said Drejka was cited for stopping or sudden decrease in speed without signaling.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/florida-stand-your-ground-previous-incidents/index.html
Sounds like a really mentally unstable guy with a "small dick" syndrome.
But, but, but, Drejka was in fear that his head was going to be kicked in from 10 feet away, that's why he pulled the trigger....
Yeah, sure....
About three months ago, Richard Kelly told a Pinellas County Sheriff's Office detective he was confronted by Drejka at Circle A Food Store, the same store where he shot McGlockton. Drejka, documents said, was upset because Kelly parked in a handicapped-accessible spot. The exchange between the two became very loud and Kelly said at some point during the argument Drejka told him he was going to shoot him, documents said.
Court documents said Drejka wanted to voice his complaint to Kelly's employer, AA Cut-Rate Septic Tank Service, so he spoke to the owner, John Tyler. Drejka told the business owner he was lucky he didn't blow his employee's head off, documents said.
On December 12, 2012, a woman told a Largo Police Department officer that a man driving a black Toyota truck, later identified as Drejka, pointed a gun at her and the passengers in the vehicle. The officer spoke with Drejka, documents said, and he told the officer the woman was driving too slow through a school zone.
Drejka denied pointing a gun at the occupants of the car, documents said, but he did have a gun in his vehicle.
On January 10, 2012, Tyler Smith, 18, was driving with a friend when a traffic light turned yellow. Smith decided not to drive through the light and stopped his vehicle.
A truck, driven by Drejka, was behind Smith. Drejka honked his horn, documents said, and yelled at Smith. Drejka held a black handgun out the driver's side window of his vehicle and motioned for Smith to walk back to his truck, documents said. Drejka then followed the teen's vehicle, passed it and slammed on his brakes, according to police reports.
Drejka was driving his truck down US Route 19 Alternate in Pinellas County on November 13, 2013, when a woman turned onto the route, pulling into the center lane so that Drejka could pass, according to a police report. She then pulled out behind Drejka.
Drejka would later tell a state trooper that he felt the woman, who had her 4- and 7-year-old children in the car, almost hit him when she pulled into the center lane, the police report said. He began hitting his brakes "in an aggressive manner," closing the distance between him and the woman, the report said.
As she got closer, he again slammed his brakes aggressively and the woman rear-ended him, the report said.
"Based on my training and experience and the damage to both vehicles, (Drejka) did not attempt to turn prior to the crash," the trooper wrote in the report, which said Drejka was cited for stopping or sudden decrease in speed without signaling.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/florida-stand-your-ground-previous-incidents/index.html
Sounds like a really mentally unstable guy with a "small dick" syndrome.
But, but, but, Drejka was in fear that his head was going to be kicked in from 10 feet away, that's why he pulled the trigger....
Yeah, sure....
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RWSGFY
2018 Aug 14, 7:32pm
RWSGFY
2018 Aug 14, 7:32pm
MrMagic says
... who's been previously charged with assault and battery. There are no angels in that story. But the first illegal act on that particular day was the physical assault on the guy who was simply talking. BTW, the woman who exits the safety of her car can't claim she was "assaulted" or even "scared", so the notion of her boyfriend "defending" her won't fly.
Florida man threatened people 3 different times before shooting man ...
... who's been previously charged with assault and battery. There are no angels in that story. But the first illegal act on that particular day was the physical assault on the guy who was simply talking. BTW, the woman who exits the safety of her car can't claim she was "assaulted" or even "scared", so the notion of her boyfriend "defending" her won't fly.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 8:23pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 14, 8:23pm
DASKAA says
So, in your mind, if someone bumps you trying to get ahead of you in the grocery store line, that gives you carte blanche to pull out your CCW and bam, bam, bam, I was just "Standing My Ground" because he pushed me for no reason?
Is that how it works now?
But the first illegal act on that particular day was the physical assault on the guy who was simply talking.
So, in your mind, if someone bumps you trying to get ahead of you in the grocery store line, that gives you carte blanche to pull out your CCW and bam, bam, bam, I was just "Standing My Ground" because he pushed me for no reason?
Is that how it works now?
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Hircus
2018 Aug 15, 12:56am
Hircus
2018 Aug 15, 12:56am
DASKAA says
I think we all would hope so? This thread is more of a morals / ideals discussion. Everyone here knows the real situation may have "other elements" that we aren't aware of.
True, but that doesn't mean you can shoot someone out of fear of an outcome that isn't very certain to occur. Shooting people for little stuff like that is crazy, and I hope all such potential/idealistic shooters get removed from the society I live in.
The jury will be instructed to assess the situation from the point of view of the guy sitting on the ground, not from the point of view of someone sitting in an armchair in front of a monitor slow-playing video shot from completely different angle.
I think we all would hope so? This thread is more of a morals / ideals discussion. Everyone here knows the real situation may have "other elements" that we aren't aware of.
All it takes is a kick to the head.
True, but that doesn't mean you can shoot someone out of fear of an outcome that isn't very certain to occur. Shooting people for little stuff like that is crazy, and I hope all such potential/idealistic shooters get removed from the society I live in.
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A man who was captured on surveillance video fatally shooting another man in Clearwater, Florida, during a parking-spot spat as his young son watched nearby will not be arrested or charged by police, according to Pinellas County Sheriff.
"I don't make the law. I enforce the law," Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference today. "The law in the state of Florida today is that people have a right to stand their ground and have a right to defend themselves when they believe that they are in harm."
The sheriff announced the case will be sent to the state attorney's office for review.
"This will go to the state attorney. Drejka will not be charged [and] will not be arrested by us," Sheriff Gualtieri said. "The state attorney will review it and either he’ll concur or not. And, if he concurs, then there’ll be no charge. Period. If he doesn’t concur, then he’ll make a determination as to what to do with it. And, if he feels like he can overcome that heavy burden at a Stand Your Ground hearing of proving by clear and convincing evidence that Drejka was not entitled to use force in this circumstance, then that’s the state attorney’s determination to make."
According to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office, around 3:28 p.m. Thursday, Britany Jacobs, 24, was sitting in her car in a handicapped parking space outside a Circle A Food Store while her boyfriend Markeis McGlockton, 28, and their son Markeis McGlockton Jr., 5, went into the store.
While the father and son were in the store, Jacobs was approached by Michael Drejka, 47, police said. The two then got into an argument because of where Jacobs was parked, according to police.
"According to witnesses, McGlockton exited the store and walked over to Drejka who was still arguing with Jacobs in the parking lot. Witnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-parking-space-shooting-charged-stand-ground-law/story?id=56715356