Cutting welfare to illegal aliens would pay for Trump’s wall
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2018 Aug 4, 7:43am 4,575 views 22 comments
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mell
2018 Aug 4, 8:59am
Great plan - they should cut all welfare for illegal aliens now. Working legal H1Bs (and other visa type workers) pay taxes and SS, fees to DHS etc. and get no welfare or UE. How the fuck should this not be the same for illegal aliens can only be explained in the America-last leftoid mind.
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MisterLefty
2018 Aug 4, 9:12am
Figure 1. Source of payment for the delivery, by race and Hispanic origin of mother: United States, 2016
60% of Hispanic births in the USA are paid for via Medicaid.
66% of black births are paid for via Medicaid.
25% of Asian births are paid for via Medicaid.
30% of white births are paid for via Medicaid.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_01.pdf
60% of Hispanic births in the USA are paid for via Medicaid.
66% of black births are paid for via Medicaid.
25% of Asian births are paid for via Medicaid.
30% of white births are paid for via Medicaid.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_01.pdf
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BayArea
2018 Aug 5, 4:47am
BayArea
2018 Aug 5, 4:47am
MisterLefty says
See the slope of the chart above? Thank the left political party and their “progressive” bullshit for that ?
See the slope of the chart above? Thank the left political party and their “progressive” bullshit for that ?
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MisterLefty
2018 Aug 5, 5:10am
TrumpingTits says
So...this means that in addition to building the wallwe need a merit based immigration system. Poor uneducated folks who like to have many babies once in the USA are a drain on Medicaid, and access to Medicaid clearly provides a magnet for poor uneducated folks to illegally immigrate.
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bob2356
2018 Aug 5, 5:54am
MisterLefty says
I've been a big proponent of merit based for decades. But, how do you merit base illegals? By definition they aren't looked at.
You do know that you have to be a legal resident for 5 years to apply for medicaid don't you? Although some states allow medicaid for pregnant women that are illegals. CIS is the most anti immigrant group out there and CIS reports that for illegal pregnant women medicaid puts out 1.2 billion a year. That's not draining a 600 billion a year program.
Why are there so many jobs for these poor uneducated people? If they didn't have jobs they wouldn't be here and there would be no need for a wall. When are we going to see the executives from the big corporate employers of illegals doing perp walks? MAGA.
we need a merit based immigration system. Poor uneducated folks who like to have many babies once in the USA is a drain on Medicaid, and clearly provides a magnet for poor uneducated folks to illegally immigrate.
I've been a big proponent of merit based for decades. But, how do you merit base illegals? By definition they aren't looked at.
You do know that you have to be a legal resident for 5 years to apply for medicaid don't you? Although some states allow medicaid for pregnant women that are illegals. CIS is the most anti immigrant group out there and CIS reports that for illegal pregnant women medicaid puts out 1.2 billion a year. That's not draining a 600 billion a year program.
Why are there so many jobs for these poor uneducated people? If they didn't have jobs they wouldn't be here and there would be no need for a wall. When are we going to see the executives from the big corporate employers of illegals doing perp walks? MAGA.
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bob2356
2018 Aug 5, 6:08am
MrMagic says
Ah yes from the famous CIS report. The one that includes things like the National Park Service and the FAA as part of welfare for illegals.
Illegals manage to pay 12 billion a year into social security they are never going to collect. No one is complaining about that.
If you don't want them here get rid of the jobs. Trump could have turned ICE loose on employers full force day 1. Not a peep. Nothing. Nada. Odd for someone who claims to be so passionate about getting rid of illegals. Makes perfect sense for someone who wants to pretend to be passionate abut getting rid of illegals without actually accomplishing anything.
That means if they work, they tend to make low wages; and as a result pay relatively little in taxes while using public services.
Ah yes from the famous CIS report. The one that includes things like the National Park Service and the FAA as part of welfare for illegals.
Illegals manage to pay 12 billion a year into social security they are never going to collect. No one is complaining about that.
If you don't want them here get rid of the jobs. Trump could have turned ICE loose on employers full force day 1. Not a peep. Nothing. Nada. Odd for someone who claims to be so passionate about getting rid of illegals. Makes perfect sense for someone who wants to pretend to be passionate abut getting rid of illegals without actually accomplishing anything.
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MisterLefty
2018 Aug 5, 6:14am
Population by race, USA:
White 63.3%
Black 12.6%
Hispanic 16.2%
https://statisticalatlas.com/United-States/Race-and-Ethnicity
Distribution of the Nonelderly with Medicaid by Race/Ethnicity
White 43%
Black 18%
Hispanic 30%
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity-4/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
White 63.3%
Black 12.6%
Hispanic 16.2%
https://statisticalatlas.com/United-States/Race-and-Ethnicity
Distribution of the Nonelderly with Medicaid by Race/Ethnicity
White 43%
Black 18%
Hispanic 30%
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity-4/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
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MisterLefty
2018 Aug 5, 6:15am
bob2356 says
You do know that you have to be a legal resident for 5 yearsLinks would be helpful. An argument against amnesty, and if the mom is illegal, the kids don't have to apply for citizenship, do they? Aren't they citizens as soon as they plop out in the USA?
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bob2356
2018 Aug 5, 6:43am
MisterLefty says
Links? Its federal law. 8 U.S.C. 1642. Here is the bill https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/3734?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22cite%3APL104-193%22%5D%7D&r=1
Everyone born on US soil is a US citizen. With all the rights of any other US citizen. It doesn't matter who the parents are. Don't like it write your congressman. or don't give illegals jobs so they aren't here making babies.
I didn't know that anyone was arguing for amnesty That was reagan's gig.
bob2356 saysYou do know that you have to be a legal resident for 5 yearsLinks would be helpful. An argument against amnesty, and if the mom is illegal, the kids don't have to apply for citizenship, do they? Aren't they citizens as soon as they plop out in the USA?
Links? Its federal law. 8 U.S.C. 1642. Here is the bill https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/3734?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22cite%3APL104-193%22%5D%7D&r=1
Everyone born on US soil is a US citizen. With all the rights of any other US citizen. It doesn't matter who the parents are. Don't like it write your congressman. or don't give illegals jobs so they aren't here making babies.
I didn't know that anyone was arguing for amnesty That was reagan's gig.
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MisterLefty
2018 Aug 5, 7:07am
bob2356 says
Everyone born on US soil is a US citizen.Yes, and so an illegals' magnet. Changing the law would be a solution. Keeping illegals out another.
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MisterLefty
2018 Aug 5, 7:11am
How American Citizens Finance $18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants
All told, Americans cross-subsidize health care for unauthorized immigrants to the tune of $18.5 billion a year . Of this total, federal taxpayers provided $11.2 billion in subsidized care to unauthorized immigrants in 2016 .
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#3b1b9c6112c4
All told, Americans cross-subsidize health care for unauthorized immigrants to the tune of $18.5 billion a year . Of this total, federal taxpayers provided $11.2 billion in subsidized care to unauthorized immigrants in 2016 .
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#3b1b9c6112c4
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 5, 7:24am
MrMagic
2018 Aug 5, 7:24am
bob2356 says
Kinda contradicted yourself there, didn't you?
So, when an illegal shows up at the emergency room, throwing up with a 104 fever and passing out, they tell him to come back in 5 years for treatment, when he's legal?
Is that what the hospital does?
You do know that you have to be a legal resident for 5 years to apply for medicaid don't you? Although some states allow medicaid for pregnant women that are illegals.
Kinda contradicted yourself there, didn't you?
So, when an illegal shows up at the emergency room, throwing up with a 104 fever and passing out, they tell him to come back in 5 years for treatment, when he's legal?
Is that what the hospital does?
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bob2356
2018 Aug 5, 8:12am
MisterLefty says
I've read it, have you?
Current federal policy is to prohibit federal tax funding of health care to unauthorized immigrants through either Medicaid or Obamacare. Nevertheless, rough estimates suggest that the nation's 3.9 million uninsured immigrants who are unauthorized likely receive about $4.6 billion in health services paid for by federal taxes, $2.8 billion in health services financed by state and local taxpayers, another $3.0 bankrolled through "cost-shifting" i.e., higher payments by insured patients to cover hospital uncompensated care losses, and roughly $1.5 billion in physician charity care. In addition to these amounts, unauthorized immigrants likely benefit from at least $0.9 billion in implicit federal subsidies due to the tax exemption for nonprofit hospitals and another $5.7 billion in tax expenditures from the employer tax exclusion.
It includes charity care, hardly a taxpayer subsidy. It includes cost shifting but all cost shifting, not just illegals. Federal subsides for all uncompensated case, not just illegals. Tax exclusions for everyone, not just illegals. Why all the fudging?
Say the very generous real number is 10 billion state and federal including fraud. That's not draining 7 trillion in federal, state, and local taxes.
Still 10 billion dollars is a very good reason for trump to start jailing employers NOW. Doesn't he believe in law and order?
How American Citizens Finance $18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants
I've read it, have you?
Current federal policy is to prohibit federal tax funding of health care to unauthorized immigrants through either Medicaid or Obamacare. Nevertheless, rough estimates suggest that the nation's 3.9 million uninsured immigrants who are unauthorized likely receive about $4.6 billion in health services paid for by federal taxes, $2.8 billion in health services financed by state and local taxpayers, another $3.0 bankrolled through "cost-shifting" i.e., higher payments by insured patients to cover hospital uncompensated care losses, and roughly $1.5 billion in physician charity care. In addition to these amounts, unauthorized immigrants likely benefit from at least $0.9 billion in implicit federal subsidies due to the tax exemption for nonprofit hospitals and another $5.7 billion in tax expenditures from the employer tax exclusion.
It includes charity care, hardly a taxpayer subsidy. It includes cost shifting but all cost shifting, not just illegals. Federal subsides for all uncompensated case, not just illegals. Tax exclusions for everyone, not just illegals. Why all the fudging?
Say the very generous real number is 10 billion state and federal including fraud. That's not draining 7 trillion in federal, state, and local taxes.
Still 10 billion dollars is a very good reason for trump to start jailing employers NOW. Doesn't he believe in law and order?
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bob2356
2018 Aug 5, 8:21am
MrMagic says
Not at all. Illegals are never eligible for federal aid. Legal immigrants have to wait 5 years to apply for federal aid. Try to keep up with subject.
Uncompensated is either written off, added onto other billings, or paid out of Disproportionate Share Hospital payments. Not medicaid. Don't like the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act write to your congressman.
Uncompensated er visits are another very good reason for trump to start jailing employers NOW. Doesn't he believe in law and order?
bob2356 saysYou do know that you have to be a legal resident for 5 years to apply for medicaid don't you? Although some states allow medicaid for pregnant women that are illegals.
Kinda contradicted yourself there, didn't you?
So, when an illegal shows up at the emergency room, throwing up with a 104 fever and passing out, they tell him to come back in 5 years for treatment, when he's legal?
Not at all. Illegals are never eligible for federal aid. Legal immigrants have to wait 5 years to apply for federal aid. Try to keep up with subject.
Uncompensated is either written off, added onto other billings, or paid out of Disproportionate Share Hospital payments. Not medicaid. Don't like the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act write to your congressman.
Uncompensated er visits are another very good reason for trump to start jailing employers NOW. Doesn't he believe in law and order?
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komputodo
2018 Aug 5, 8:24am
komputodo
2018 Aug 5, 8:24am
Cutting generational welfare to lazy jigs could pay for 10 walls. Even better.
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komputodo
2018 Aug 5, 8:26am
komputodo
2018 Aug 5, 8:26am
MrMagic says
No, they give them $5 worth of meds and try to bill them for $5000 dollars.
So, when an illegal shows up at the emergency room, throwing up with a 104 fever and passing out, they tell him to come back in 5 years for treatment, when he's legal?
Is that what the hospital does?
No, they give them $5 worth of meds and try to bill them for $5000 dollars.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 5, 8:30am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 5, 8:30am
A while back, I posted a link to instructions from either Boston or Mass Legal Aid walking illegals step-by-step how to get Food Stamps from a supplemental state program.
Many States provide additional funding to SNAP under separate programs; because they're not federal, they've been set up so illegals can take advantage of them, to satisfy ethnic special interests and help employers pay less.
They even (wink wink nudge nudge) "Let women know" they can claim to be a partner fleeing abuse, which allows them to access programs with no citizenship or residency requirements, nor any proof of abuse (such as restraining order or separation/divorce papers or police report)
"Oh si, chess, my husband Juan I flee him in the night, senior."
5 minutes later!
"CHESS! Papitas just in time for la Copa del Mundo!"
Nor is it limited to state programs, you can get FEMA assistance if you're illegal and effected by a "Disaster", and I'm sure there are a host of loopholes for other agencies.
Many States provide additional funding to SNAP under separate programs; because they're not federal, they've been set up so illegals can take advantage of them, to satisfy ethnic special interests and help employers pay less.
They even (wink wink nudge nudge) "Let women know" they can claim to be a partner fleeing abuse, which allows them to access programs with no citizenship or residency requirements, nor any proof of abuse (such as restraining order or separation/divorce papers or police report)
"Oh si, chess, my husband Juan I flee him in the night, senior."
5 minutes later!
"CHESS! Papitas just in time for la Copa del Mundo!"
Nor is it limited to state programs, you can get FEMA assistance if you're illegal and effected by a "Disaster", and I'm sure there are a host of loopholes for other agencies.
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bob2356
2018 Aug 5, 8:33am
komputodo says
Welfare reform happend under Cllinton to eliminate this. Keeping up with current events is important. Three quarters of people collecting welfare are working. Which means that taxpayers are paying for profits at walmart and mcd's. when they don't pay enough for their workers to be above the poverty line. https://mashable.com/2015/07/27/welfare-myths-debunked/#fHTQl8b_rZq6
You could buy 100 walls with the welfare at dod and agriculture. Should we start with cutting the big welfare bucks first? Can you say F-35?
Cutting generational welfare to lazy jigs could pay for 10 walls. Even better.
Welfare reform happend under Cllinton to eliminate this. Keeping up with current events is important. Three quarters of people collecting welfare are working. Which means that taxpayers are paying for profits at walmart and mcd's. when they don't pay enough for their workers to be above the poverty line. https://mashable.com/2015/07/27/welfare-myths-debunked/#fHTQl8b_rZq6
You could buy 100 walls with the welfare at dod and agriculture. Should we start with cutting the big welfare bucks first? Can you say F-35?
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bob2356
2018 Aug 5, 8:49am
TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
For christ sakes, they can get food and shelter from FEMA. Are conservatives/libertarians such fucking pricks they would tell illegals to live in the street and starve after surviving a hurricane or earthquake? . Conservatives/libertarians sure don't mind having cheap food picked, butchered, processed, packed by illegals working long hours n brutal conditions. Fucking despicable hypocrites.
https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2004/06/17/questions-and-answers-undocumented-immigrants-regarding-fema-assistancehttps://www.fema.gov/news-release/2004/06/17/questions-and-answers-undocumented-immigrants-regarding-fema-assistance
If I am an undocumented immigrant, am I eligible for any assistance from FEMA?
You may be eligible for Crisis Counseling or Disaster Legal Services, and other short-term, non-cash, emergency aid.
You will not be eligible for Disaster Unemployment Assistance.
Nor is it limited to state programs, you can get FEMA assistance if you're illegal and effected by a "Disaster", and I'm sure there are a host of loopholes for other agencies.
For christ sakes, they can get food and shelter from FEMA. Are conservatives/libertarians such fucking pricks they would tell illegals to live in the street and starve after surviving a hurricane or earthquake? . Conservatives/libertarians sure don't mind having cheap food picked, butchered, processed, packed by illegals working long hours n brutal conditions. Fucking despicable hypocrites.
https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2004/06/17/questions-and-answers-undocumented-immigrants-regarding-fema-assistancehttps://www.fema.gov/news-release/2004/06/17/questions-and-answers-undocumented-immigrants-regarding-fema-assistance
If I am an undocumented immigrant, am I eligible for any assistance from FEMA?
You may be eligible for Crisis Counseling or Disaster Legal Services, and other short-term, non-cash, emergency aid.
You will not be eligible for Disaster Unemployment Assistance.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 5, 9:42am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 5, 9:42am
bob2356 says
Actually, those used to be good unionized jobs paying very well and with benefits. WHITE people used to line up around the block for hours to apply. Big Business brought up all the indies, then used illegals, covered by friendly politicians, to bust the unions and replace them with wetbacks. Then told everybody how humane and loving they were by supporting the Third World people.
bob2356 says
Psychologists and Lawyers are expensive.
In the words of the guy from Clerks
They're not even supposed to be here TODAY!
Conservatives/libertarians sure don't mind having cheap food picked, butchered, processed, packed by illegals working long hours n brutal conditions.
Actually, those used to be good unionized jobs paying very well and with benefits. WHITE people used to line up around the block for hours to apply. Big Business brought up all the indies, then used illegals, covered by friendly politicians, to bust the unions and replace them with wetbacks. Then told everybody how humane and loving they were by supporting the Third World people.
bob2356 says
You may be eligible for Crisis Counseling or Disaster Legal Services, and other short-term, non-cash, emergency aid.
Psychologists and Lawyers are expensive.
In the words of the guy from Clerks
They're not even supposed to be here TODAY!
Mexico won’t have to pay for the wall, after all. US taxpayers won’t have to pick up the tab, either. The controversial barrier, rather, will cover its own cost just by closing the border to illegal immigrants who tend to go on the federal dole.
That’s the finding of recent immigration studies showing the $18 billion wall President Trump plans to build along the southern border will pay for itself by curbing the importation of not only crime and drugs, but poverty.
“The wall could pay for itself even if it only modestly reduced illegal crossings and drug smuggling,” Steven A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, told The Post.
A two-story corrugated metal fence in El Paso, Texas, first erected under the Bush administration has already curtailed illegal border crossings there by more than 89 percent over the five-year period during which it was built.
Camarota explains that illegal border-crossers from Mexico and Central America — who account for more than 75 percent of the illegal immigrant population in the US — are overwhelmingly poor, uneducated and lack English language and other skills. In fact, the average Latino illegal immigrant has less than a 10th-grade education. That means if they work, they tend to make low wages; and as a result pay relatively little in taxes while using public services. And if they have children while in the US, they more often than not receive welfare benefits on behalf of those US-born children, who have the same welfare eligibility as any other citizen.
While the national media routinely report that illegal immigrants don’t go on welfare, Camarota says this is a pervasive myth. While in most cases they can’t legally qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid or other public benefits, the reality is that the vast majority of households headed by illegal immigrants are on welfare through their children.
While Democrats complain the $18 billion price tag for the Trump wall is too high, the “Dreamers” amnesty bill they want Trump and Republicans to pass in exchange for funding the wall (or ideally in spite of the wall) would cost US taxpayers even more than the construction of the border partition over 10 years.
“The cost of the DREAM Act has been estimated as very large — a $26 billion net cost in the first 10 years,” Camarota noted.
https://nypost.com/2018/03/10/cutting-welfare-to-illegal-aliens-would-pay-for-trumps-wall/