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I’m also not clear on the process of what would need to take place for it to be eliminated (given that most people believe it should be eliminated)

You could live in Arizona or Indiana. Or just get your area you live in to agree to stop daylight savings time. Don't wait for someone far away who doesn't give a fuck about you, be the change you want.

Of course we'd still need to change back to real time this weekend, as obviously time should be as accurate as possible, not cater to people's whims.

komputodo says

what needs to be done to roll it out? Just don't change the clocks.

The Y2K Bug was just hype for no reason, programmed time works flawlessly if you do it right. The years of programming into every appliance, and computer chip that has a calendar and self adjusts for daylight savings time. Many of them don't have a tick that disables it, those devices will be an hour off part of the year. Computers Locale to regions and countries are built into their daylight saving adjustments. You can't just stop doing it, as there will still be countries and even some counties or cities in America that will still use it.

That's the only issue I can think of not to do it. .But then again, it would be a great excuse to make every computer, phone and household AV electronic device obsolete and require a new buying boom.

But I don't think Buttplug is considering anything that I said. He's just a useless shiftless fuck that has no business in the position that he's in. His reason for not doing it, is most probably with a 99% certainty. He's not doing it, because Trump championed it and got the ball rolling on it.

Tenpoundbass says

komputodo says

what needs to be done to roll it out? Just don't change the clocks.

The Y2K Bug was just hype for no reason, programmed time works flawlessly if you do it right. The years of programming into every appliance, and computer chip that has a calendar and self adjusts for daylight savings time. Many of them don't have a tick that disables it, those devices will be an hour off part of the year. Computers Locale to regions and countries are built into their daylight saving adjustments. You can't just stop doing it, as there will still be countries and even some counties or cities in America that will still use it.

That's the only issue I can think of not to do it. .But then again, it would be a great excuse to make every computer, phone and household AV electronic device obsolete and require a new buying boom.

I've never seen a computer that you can't disable DST or a smartphone for that matter. I can't think of any kitchen appliances that have dates either..so they wouldn't know when DST kicks in. BTW, how many clocks does an average american house have in it? Counting all the clocks, including phones. And how many do they really need?

It doesn't really matter to me. If some asshat sends me a meeting invitation outside of my comfortable hours - I don't accept it. Other than that I don't care what time it is.

Ceffer says

DST keeps people out of max light for the 4 months that cold and flu season lasts.

I thought TV and video games did that

Is it really that big of an issue? Are we becoming that weak that 1 hour each way two times a year is a big deal? I really don't see the problem with it. If you're depressed or suck at driving, change that. You could live in Alaska for fucks sake. Enjoy that time change there.

The areas on the map in the above comment highlight why we do it. Generally first world countries further north or south in their respective hemisphere. Would anyone here want to live in the countries that don't to DST? I don't care if it changes, but really think what the "fight" is for. Average American doesn't care but bitches for two days. The horror.

WookieMan says

Is it really that big of an issue? Are we becoming that weak that 1 hour each way two times a year is a big deal? I really don't see the problem with it. If you're depressed or suck at driving, change that. You could live in Alaska for fucks sake. Enjoy that time change there.

The areas on the map in the above comment highlight why we do it. Generally first world countries further north or south in their respective hemisphere. Would anyone here want to live in the countries that don't to DST? I don't care if it changes, but really think what the "fight" is for. Average American doesn't care but bitches for two days. The horror.

The constant bitching over petty things seems to be the pattern. This brings a sense of general unhappiness with no good underlying reason for it. When my kids start bitching and moaning about something insignificant I tell them they should be glad these little things are the only problems they have.

It's more than the inconvenience of the time change. For many people for about two months a year, it is pitch dark on their drive home. You get home at 6 to 6:15 PM and it's too dark outside to do anything you might want or need to do. Now up North where its too cold or snowing it might not be a big deal. But for people in the deep South, there's yard work or cutting of the lawn that might need to be done, it's a perfect cool weather to paint the house, or some other major back yard project, that was too hot in the Summer to do.

If you are concerned about how they will spread the word, make a law that states that every time the name TRUMP is mentioned on all media, they must include the message "DON'T CHANGE YOUR CLOCK"...the result will be massive coverage.

Tenpoundbass says

It's more than the inconvenience of the time change. For many people for about two months a year, it is pitch dark on their drive home. You get home at 6 to 6:15 PM and it's too dark outside to do anything you might want or need to do. Now up North where its too cold or snowing it might not be a big deal. But for people in the deep South, there's yard work or cutting of the lawn that might need to be done, it's a perfect cool weather to paint the house, or some other major back yard project, that was too hot in the Summer to do.

Doesn't flex time that a lot of employers have now fix this?

Since we're willing to meddle with the time. Why don't they invent a clock that adjusts the time at midnight every day by one minute less or more depending on the season? That way it will always be noon at 12pm and it will always get dark at 7pm, in the Summer and Winter.
It's not doable with analogue clocks but no problem for digital clocks

Tenpoundbass says

It's more than the inconvenience of the time change. For many people for about two months a year, it is pitch dark on their drive home. You get home at 6 to 6:15 PM and it's too dark outside to do anything you might want or need to do. Now up North where its too cold or snowing it might not be a big deal. But for people in the deep South, there's yard work or cutting of the lawn that might need to be done, it's a perfect cool weather to paint the house, or some other major back yard project, that was too hot in the Summer to do.

Get home at 5pm, duh!

RWSGFY says

WookieMan says

Is it really that big of an issue? Are we becoming that weak that 1 hour each way two times a year is a big deal? I really don't see the problem with it. If you're depressed or suck at driving, change that. You could live in Alaska for fucks sake. Enjoy that time change there.....

The constant bitching over petty things seems to be the pattern. This brings a sense of general unhappiness with no good underlying reason for it.

Talking about chosing your reasons for being unhappy: there was a member on this site who once expressed serious emotional distress because his natgas bill was projected to be up $120 year-over-YEAR. Like honest to God distress. He sounded almost suicidal over it.

komputodo says

like the imperial system?

English spelling with more exceptions than rules?

NuttBoxer says

komputodo says

I've never seen a computer that you can't disable DST or a smartphone for that matter.

That's because you don't live in Arizona, so you've never had to make sure it was disabled. Mac's and Iphone's have it.

As a matter of fact, my pc and my android phone are both on AZ time. Also both devices have the option to turn off DST. Are you saying that iPhones do or don't have the option?

AmericanKulak says

komputodo says

like the imperial system?

English spelling with more exceptions than rules?

Like teaching a foreigner how to pronounce WASH and CASH?

WookieMan says

Would anyone here want to live in the countries that don't to DST?

You mean that country called Arizona?

komputodo says

WookieMan says

Would anyone here want to live in the countries that don't to DST?

You mean that country called Arizona?

You want to live in AZ? That's hell on earth. They don't want the daylight saved. They want night time.

komputodo says

As a matter of fact, my pc and my android phone are both on AZ time. Also both devices have the option to turn off DST. Are you saying that iPhones do or don't have the option?

Mis-read, deleted.

Ten years ago I wouldn't have given a shit about this. But now days, with people increasingly engaging in fantasy over reality, I'm adamantly opposed to anything that's not real. DST is not real. People need to re-ground, not fantasize that the day is longer when it's not.

NuttBoxer says

people increasingly engaging in fantasy over reality

Time is totally a man made construct. So much to the point, we fantasize that it's a dimension that one can go forward and backwards through.
Time's sole purpose is to keep track of the Sun cycle, and the seasons, and make sense of the Gregorian Calendar.
It's a mathematical model that is only applicable on Earth. And a sloppy one at that!

At this point I'm surprised that time hasn't been converted to metric. Where the time and date is represented in just one floating point number.
It would take over 100,000 years before that number would be as large as the National debt, as our national debt stands now.

86,400 seconds in a day
X 365
31,536,000 seconds in a year

National Debt
33,705,145,000,000

seconds in 100,000 years
31,536,600,000,000

Tenpoundbass says

At this point I'm surprised that time hasn't been converted to metric.

Like the unix timestamp?

People aren't like us, they want visual aids. All I'm saying is that the visual aids should be as accurate as possible, not randomly change the time to create the illusion of more daylight for people too lazy to wake up earlier.

Tenpoundbass says

At this point I'm surprised that time hasn't been converted to metric.

Jokes aside some assholes are now communicating time in UTC and expect you to do the conversion.

komputodo says

Tenpoundbass says

I could do without it getting dark at 5:00 mid and end December.

you would rather have it dark later in the morning?

Why are people slaves to a clock? Do you have very specific hours to be at work?

Eric Holder says

Jokes aside some assholes are now communicating time in UTC and expect you to do the conversion.

They are expecting a computer to do the conversion, not a person.

There's a reason to use UTC if you tune into live broadcasts that are on the other side of the planet or across time zones. When I specify time in a computer program, I use GMT, and then crap like dealing with timezones goes away and dealing with timezones gets to be a headache because there are timezones that ignore daylight savings times - think Indiana does this, some that are 1/2 hour off from the rest of the world like India, some that just ignore times zones like China...

Tenpoundbass says

At this point I'm surprised that time hasn't been converted to metric. Where the time and date is represented in just one floating point number.

No reason to make it a float. Use a double long. I.E. 0 - 0x7FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF - that gives you a range of 290 billion years in both directions if the granularity is a second.

komputodo says

Like teaching a foreigner how to pronounce WASH and CASH?

They know how to wash cash. They're pretending to not understand.

NuttBoxer says

they want visual aids. All I'm saying is that the visual aids should be as accurate as possible,

There are teenagers that can't read analog clocks.

Lots of them.

Onvacation says

NuttBoxer says

they want visual aids. All I'm saying is that the visual aids should be as accurate as possible,

There are teenagers that can't read analog clocks.

Lots of them.

Another reason I didn't move to CA... Intelligence. Those are adults raising those teenagers. I have a Movado watch with just a 12 marker and no dashes or anything. Just a diamond or something at noon/midnight. My kids can read it no problem. And my youngest is a mimbo (male bimbo - I think I created that term actually).

I actually don't mind DST. Especially this time of year. It's an excuse to get smashed early, go to bed early and wake up like life is on the same time. Did it last night. Everyone thinks the fall is better. That's when my depression trigger gets going. I need sunlight. It wasn't snowy, but this is the gloomiest/darkest winter I can remember here in IL in my life.

A lot you guys don't have to deal with cold weather AND no sun. The combo is rough. And by cold I mean 15ºF for highs. We didn't leave the hot tub yesterday because it was flipping cold in the shade and it's March.

WookieMan says

A lot you guys don't have to deal with cold weather AND no sun. The combo is rough. And by cold I mean 15ºF for highs. We didn't leave the hot tub yesterday because it was flipping cold in the shade and it's March.

I know. I grew up in suburban Chicago and then Michigan.

For years I felt like I was cheating somehow for not suffering in the winter. California sucks in a lot of ways (wokeness, taxes, crime) but the weather is about as good as it gets.

I need to get a job in Arizona or Indiana...