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I don't recall what you said you did, but if I bashed your company or product without having used it, you would take offense. This is undeniable. I'm not defending Musk, just the practice of humans trashing shit they've never used or experienced.
They're just as bad as the Apple fanboys.
I've been bashing the company (you know, the title of this thread) and the snake oil salesman Musk, more than the car.
For what it's worth, I worked for a start-up car company in the past (remember DeLorean), so I've seen these start-up quality issues before.
Apple has solid products. This is undeniable.
Call them fanboys or you can call them people that like good products.
Yes, of course there will be startup quality issues
EV's make a shitload more sense then gassers. Their time just hasn't come yet.
Like I said, not a fan of Musk. His ego gets in his own way too much.
Yep, that's why everyone needs to pay TWICE the amount for them so they can send email, watch cat video's and post on Patnet.
Twice? That's a bit of a stretch.
But on balance, not double.
MrMagic saysWookieMan saysI have ZERO intention of buying one in the near future. I like my gassers.
Me too.
Look at that, we agree on something, you can now relax.
We agree on more than you think. Don't fool yourself.
And don't worry, I'm 1,000% relaxed. I don't recall what you said you did, but if I bashed your company or product without having used it, you would take offense. This is undeniable. I'm not defending Musk, just the practice of humans trashing shit they've never used or experienced. Don't believe everything you read. I'm sure GM, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, etc are all on board with Tesla doing well. They would NEVER try to trash the competition. They want Tesla to take their market share and would love to write nice articles about them.
MrMagic saysYep, that's why everyone needs to pay TWICE the amount for them so they can send email, watch cat video's and post on Patnet.
Twice? That's a bit of a stretch. You do pay a premium for Apple products, sure, but not double. Galaxy S9 retails for like $700, iPhone X is $900-1000. And that's just in the handset space. For awhile the iMac 5k represented a BETTER value than any possible PC configuration, simply because it was impossible to get a standalone 5k monitor for less than like $1000.
Again, Apple's pricey. But on balance, not double.
I would argue Apple works out cheaper even with a higher price tag, because they work better, last longer, look prettier, and upgrades are free.
I would argue Apple works out cheaper even with a higher price tag, because they work better, last longer, look prettier, and upgrades are free.
Except, like my Macbook, after a few years Apple refuses to support it, there are no updates for critical programs.
My 10 year old MacBook just got locked out of OS updates. So you're right. But it still functions very well for what I need it to do though. Ain't no PC doing that. I can still run the entire Adobe Creative Suite on it, check email, browse the internet and other basic things. It mainly sits in my basement now for recording, but the thing was used for 6 years as a primary work machine (graphics, marketing, etc) and worked amazingly. And it still works like a champ simultaneously recording 12 drum tracks. That's no small feat on a 10 year old machine.
Prior to my Mac time, it was a PC tower or laptop every 3 years without a doubt. None of that shit would last 3 years and I still don't think it will. Wife's work laptop is already shit after 2-1/2 years.
My old lenovo book still operates just fine and it's been 9 years. That being said, my wife's new lenovo is absolutely awful and is the third one we've purchased after several returns. All have been completely useless and not functioned. My surface is about to go into it's 4th year and has never given me an issue. At some point, the battery is going to go though.
Bottom line, that MacBook 10 years ago was about $1,000. Put in some increased RAM to the tune of $150 about 5 years ago to knock it up to 16gb. Still works as well as the day I took it out of the box. You'd probably end up with 3 Windows laptops over this same period of time, probably costing more than $500 over the single MacBook.
And much, MUCH higher resale on the secondary market. My MBP late 2013 could still fetch like $800. Any PC from 2013 would be a glorified doorstop in terms of resale.
I just find that your above average technology person (we're not talking IT bros or whatever) have better luck with Macs, from my observation. I'm a decade deep plus in Mac/Apple, but maybe things have changed on the Microsoft side of the world. I'm open to hearing the good, bad and ugly of any product, assuming it's been used by the person giving the opinion. I'm living flawlessly in my Mac world though. And I'm not just email and internet either like most Americans. I actually do productive shit with my computers. So I need them to work.
Except, like my Macbook, after a few years Apple refuses to support it, there are no updates for critical programs.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce saysExcept, like my Macbook, after a few years Apple refuses to support it, there are no updates for critical programs.
All companies eventually drop support on their products. That's when you really need a new computer.
or switch to linux.
Too much white bro, colored cars matter.
I'm surprised you're still waiting for your Model 3 reservation. Is it because you only want to buy the basic $35k model?
I'm the owner of a Model S and used my account to order two Tesla Model 3 for my wife's siblings. Here are the cars line up in the recent visit to my in-law parents. They're amazing cars. Once you've owned and driven one, you don't want to go back and drive a gas car. My biz partner owns a Model X, also a white car. The instant torque is addictive. Everyone is loving their Tesla. Now my wife wants one where I already bought her a new MDX last year. I told her to give me another year. Sigh.....
bob2356 saysor switch to linux.
Do you really need linux today? Might work if you have the right skills, but for most people, just get a Mac. It won't be long before you can just tell Siri to "solve the fucking problem, and don't bother me"
Personal Assistants that can instantly get you any data is the future.....Hey Siri, can you find the receipt for the $5.00 pens I purchased 3 years ago, and send it to the fucking IRS.
Do you really need linux today?
For what it's worth, I worked for a start-up car company in the past (remember DeLorean), so I've seen these start-up quality issues before.
Musk has already accomplished much more than DeLorean, whose DeLorean Motor Co. built only 9,080 cars before collapsing. That's about as many as Tesla sold monthly last year.
All companies eventually drop support on their products. That's when you really need a new computer.
Strategist saysDo you really need linux today?
I've used Ubuntu to run home media server, backup drive, and bittorrent service for a number of years. Plan to add an email server, but that project will take some time. I've extended the life of a shitty Dell I bought about 4 years back by running a stripped down Linux version, I think XLE.
Linux if for people who like doing things for themselves, and getting the most out of their hardware.
Yes. Linux and a barebones combustion engine with as little electronic gimmicks as possible.
What kind of warranty does Tesla offer? Usual 60k 5 years?
FortWayne saysWhat kind of warranty does Tesla offer? Usual 60k 5 years?
Shockingly, they have this info right on tesla.com:
Model S or Model X is protected by a 4 year or 50,000 miles (80,000 km) (whichever comes first) New Vehicle Limited Warranty and 8 year or unlimited miles Battery and Drive Unit Limited Warranty.
Model 3 is protected by a New Vehicle Limited Warranty for 4 years or 50,000 miles (80,000 km), whichever comes first. The Battery and Drive Unit in your vehicle are covered for a period of:
Vehicles with Standard Range Battery - 8 years or 100,000 miles (160,000 km), whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Vehicles with Long Range Battery - 8 years or 120,000 miles (192,000 km), whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Too much white bro, colored cars matter.
E-man saysI'm surprised you're still waiting for your Model 3 reservation. Is it because you only want to buy the basic $35k model?
Yes, I don't want to go above $40K. The Model S is unaffordable to me. If the Model 3 was not so economical, I would not have considered buying it.
E-man saysI'm the owner of a Model S and used my account to order two Tesla Model 3 for my wife's siblings. Here are the cars line up in the recent visit to my in-law parents. They're amazing cars. Once you've owned and driven one, you don't want to go back and drive a gas car. My biz partner owns a Model X, also a white car. The instant torque is addictive. Everyone is loving their Tesla. Now my wife wants one where I already bought her a new MDX last year. I told her to give me another year. Sigh.....
The electric cars ...
If you don't want to wait, there's always a Bolt... :)
you can buy extended warranty for another 4 years at the end of the 4th year for $4,400.
Model 3 is protected by a New Vehicle Limited Warranty for 4 years or 50,000 miles
E-man saysIf you don't want to wait, there's always a Bolt... :)
A Bolt, Leaf or something is my choice for a second car. But a Tesla is the first choice.
If it's such an awesome car, why do you need to buy an extended warranty? It shouldn't need any repairs...
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