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The car that was revolutionary was unfortunately not popular and not so successful. This was the Honda Civic running on natural gas (CNG)

Since the electricity in the Bay Area is made burning natural gas in Duke Power Moss Landing, Tesla's factory and Teslas in the bay area are running on natural gas.

It's too bad but I guess now we will be waiting for fuel cell cars.

clambo says

Since the electricity in the Bay Area is made burning natural gas in Duke Power Moss Landing, Tesla's factory and Teslas in the bay area are running on natural gas.

The Civic idea wasn't bad. But I'd prefer to have controlled explosions going on at a power plant and not on the road. And yes, I understand gas cars can explode too. But if everyone switched to electric cars, I'd bet the fatality rate in auto accidents would drop a good 10% due to removing the explosive material. Maybe more. I actually wonder if there's a study out there examining what the final cause of death was in a car accident. If fire was any significant percentage of the total, that should be reason enough to try and switch to EV's.

Also, I know natural gas would be more of a burst type explosion and not a long burning type event. So technically safer then gas. But depending on the crash and location of people, I'm sure it can still kill the fuck out of someone though.

WookieMan says

I'd bet the fatality rate in auto accidents would drop a good 10% due to removing the explosive material. Maybe more. I actually wonder if there's a study out there examining what the final cause of death was in a car accident. If fire was any significant percentage of the total, that should be reason enough to try and switch to EV's.

The number is very small. https://saferide4kids.com/blog/car-fires-vehicle-submersion/

Less than one-half of 1% of all car accidents resulting in injury involve being submersed in water or engulfed in flame.

There are about 5.5 million reported crashes per year (up to 10 million more go unreported). If there are 174,000 (2015 number) car fires from which only 3% are caused by crashes; that means roughly 5,220 crashes end in car fires or 0.0949% of all car crashes result in fire.

WookieMan says

I do hope you aren't referencing me in your comment as a fanboy. Again, reading words is a skill.

Exactly.... reading words is a skill, one that you are surely missing. Now, before you go off half-cocked again, go check to see who I was actually quoting and responding to..

Reading comprehension... try it, you'll like it.

WookieMan says

But if everyone switched to electric cars, I'd bet the fatality rate in auto accidents would drop a good 10% due to removing the explosive material.

Wow...

There are no words....

clambo says

The car that was revolutionary was unfortunately not popular and not so successful. This was the Honda Civic running on natural gas (CNG)

The range was laughable and the filling statios were few and far between.

MrMagic says

WookieMan says

But if everyone switched to electric cars, I'd bet the fatality rate in auto accidents would drop a good 10% due to removing the explosive material.

Wow...

There are no words....

Wow, there are no links... As usual....

I don't agree with Bob all the time, but he provided a link and kept the sassy, girly, bitchiness out of it. I guess some boomers are better then others. (bob, I assume you're a boomer. My apologies if you aren't. And also my apologies if you are. As we can see here)

bob2356 says

The number is very small. https://saferide4kids.com/blog/car-fires-vehicle-submersion/

bob2356 says

The number is very small. https://saferide4kids.com/blog/car-fires-vehicle-submersion/

Thanks for linking that. Appreciate it. I'm being serious.

I know I could have looked it up myself, but was just making an opinion and basically throwing out a question in a quick comment. I appreciate adults and humans that can interact with each other. There's still hope for us.

WookieMan says

but was just making an opinion

and there lies the BIG problem..

WookieMan says

Wow, there are no links... As usual....

That's because Bob provided them.. do I need to repeat them?

WookieMan says

I know I could have looked it up myself,

Guess what, there's this thing called Google.... amazing stuff... you should try it sometime.

WookieMan says

There's still hope for us.

You know what they say about "opinions", right?

WookieMan says

I guess some boomers are better then others.

That's correct, it's amazing what people can learn from other people who have been on the planet TWICE as long as they've been.

MrMagic says

Guess what, there's this thing called Google.... amazing stuff... you should try it sometime.

Unfortunately, like many here and throughout the world, I don't believe EVERYTHING I read. Bob gave a link, I checked it out. There could be 100 different studies that proved what he linked was wrong. If I found an article that countered Bob's, I have no intention of getting in a pissing match about it. I simply thanked him and I presume Bob and my interaction is complete on this thread. This is how a discussion should go. Not devolve into TRYING to be right about everything that many humans get caught up in.

Read my profile here. You might be able to learn a lesson from it.....

Out-Of-Warranty Tesla Owners Left With No Choice But To Fix Their Own Cars.

Due to a lack of reputable mechanics, lack of widespread service centers and aftermarket parts, some out of warranty Tesla owners are left with no choice but to try and fix their cars themselves. Such was the case of Model S owner Greg Furstenwerth, a self described "Tesla fan". CNBC detailedhis journey through repairing his own out of warranty Tesla when the company "treated him like [he] didn't own a Tesla" after his warranty ran out.

"Those were the golden years", according to Furstenwerth. While the Model S was under warranty, he shared his experience in dealing with Tesla service, which was positive. The interactions with the company were plentiful.

But when the warranty ran out, so did the personal attention: "...as soon as I exceeded my warranty, the interactions all went away. I was treated like I didn't really own a Tesla," he told CNBC.

This is apparently because Tesla doesn’t make spare parts, diagnostic tools or repair manuals readily available to people trying to perform service on their cars. And due to the modest size of the car fleet, there is also a surprisingly small aftermarket for Tesla parts.

So Furstenwerth was forced to take it upon himself to figure out how to fix his car on his own.

We can imagine that the reaction of other Tesla owners who aren't such vehement fans, will be far less supportive.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-02/out-warranty-tesla-owners-left-no-choice-fix-their-own-cars

Yeah.... but that acceleration!!!!!

I keep hearing about the Ponzi scheme but then I take a drive on the 101 on the Peninsula and it’s quickly clear that Tesla seems to be he most common car on the road. And I haven’t encountered an owner that isn’t head over heels for their purchase. I don’t know what to believe anymore.

BayArea says

And I haven’t encountered an owner that isn’t head over heels for their purchase. I don’t know what to believe anymore.

You can believe a "Fool and his money, are soon parted".