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A phone which does not spy on you


               
2018 Aug 19, 10:49am   56,328 views  346 comments

by Patrick   follow (60)  

https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/

Librem 5, the phone that focuses on security by design and privacy protection by default. Running Free/Libre and Open Source software and a GNU+Linux Operating System designed to create an open development utopia, rather than the walled gardens from all other phone providers.

A fully standards-based freedom-oriented system, based on Debian and many other upstream projects, has never been done before–we will be the first to seriously attempt this.

The Librem 5 phone will be the world’s first ever IP-native mobile handset, using end-to-end encrypted decentralized communication.


Many others have attempted Open Source phones and failed. I hope this one works, especially since I just discovered that you cannot turn off wifi or Bluetooth on Android or iOS. "Turning it off" in the controls on those phones merely disconnects you from current access points, but leaves them on so they can spy on your location with great precision and open you up to various exploits:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/21/ios-11-apple-toggling-wifi-bluetooth-control-centre-doesnt-turn-them-off

On iOS 11, pressing the wifi toggle immediately disconnects the iPhone or iPad from any wifi networks, but leaves the wireless radio available for use by location services, scanning for the names of nearby wifi access points. The Bluetooth toggle operates in a similar fashion. ...

A similar thing happens in Android smartphones, which use wifi as part of their location services. Switching wifi off prevents it from connecting to wifi access points, but allows it to continue periodically scanning for access point names to help pinpoint its location.




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317   beershrine   2025 Feb 26, 4:38pm  

I wouldn't think that phone or any are any safer. Back in the day when everyone thought landlines were safe and private? That was pure bullshit many people were listening in on dozens of conversations all at the same time and listening to you, I witnessed it several times in the 70s and 90's. With modern tech they might be using humanless methods to capture stuff. Best to use that device as least as possible. Don't drive around with all your location direction apps turned on all the time shooting video. People get stupider and stupider as time goes on.... unbelievable.
318   Patrick   2025 Apr 4, 8:59am  

https://michaelyon.substack.com/p/pocket-spies


(from 2011)

And so, with my iPhone4s using a Facebook app, I touched the tab called “Nearby.” An incredible amount of “actionable intelligence” scrolled on. One friend was at the Sheraton at the Pentagon. Another was at the Pentagon. I emailed to her and she confirmed. Another was at the VA Hospital in Long Beach. Ruby Tuesday. iHop. Starbucks Fort Polk. Times Square. Pacific Grill. Home sweet home. Octapharma Plasma. China Café. FBI Academy. Tahlequah Dialysis Unit. Columbus State University. AJ’s Pizza. Farelli’s Pizza. Palladium Theatre. Home. Crossroads Christian Church. 24 Hour Fitness – Mission Valley California. The Exchange Hotel.

And on and on. With my iPhone, I could track their smartphones in real time.

Some people were also typing entries (just got on the train) and they were being tracked. One young Thai woman was typing entries and finally posted she was home at her condo in Bangkok. At the same time, another was 12 time zones away at X-treme Rockclimbing Gym in Miami, Florida.

Touch one button and GoogleMaps instantly appears showing the precise location. Touch one more button and there is a choice: “Open in Maps,” “Get Directions,” “Cancel.”

I scrolled down the list. Numerous people said they were home. Their locators pinpointed their locations. I touched the buttons and saw their locations on Google Earth. And there was one Afghan friend. I could see exactly where he was in Kabul. He is an avowed enemy of the Taliban. They have threatened to kill him. I emailed at once saying to turn that thing off. I know where you are. If he did not email back very quickly, I was going to call. He emailed back, confirmed his location and turned it off.

It’s not enough that we are careful ourselves. If we are tooling around Afghanistan together, and only one of us has not turned off the location service, we are both trackable by anyone. No special gear or warrant is needed. If someone’s child has this option switched on, the whole family is trackable, not to mention that the child is easily trackable in real time everywhere he or she goes.
319   stereotomy   2025 Apr 4, 9:25am  

Related to a claim I made on another thread about how fucked up things are at the southern border, from the same blog:

Finally, onto a different topic. I published this yesterday:

What is Your Vote?

The United States faces greater threats at home than we face in Afghanistan. The Mexican border, for instance, is being described as a war zone. People have been warning about it for years. Over time, I have seriously considered changing focus to the more proximate and bigger threats.
320   Eric Holder   2025 Apr 4, 2:50pm  

stereotomy says

The United States faces greater threats at home than we face in Afghanistan. The Mexican border, for instance, is being described as a war zone.


Since the threats we face in Afghanistan is zero I do belive that the threat level at the Mexican border is higher than that. As for war zone... nah, not even close. There are plenty of war zones you can view right now almost live. Mexico border ain't it.
321   Eric Holder   2025 Apr 4, 2:52pm  

This thread is perfect as illustration as to why Waltz, Hegseth, Tootsie and Witkoff are stupid cunts: they used phones that spy on them to discuss sensitive national security matters, one of them while literally sitting the the Kremlin waiting room. :facepalm:
322   Patrick   2025 Apr 14, 9:45am  

https://x.com/amuse/status/1911797391201542438



Snowden showed that the NSA is in fact spying on all of us without a a warrant, in violation of the 4th Amendment (no searches without a warrant issued for a specific crime).

So yes, the Europeans should assume that their phones are being monitored at all times by us as well as by their own governments.
323   WookieMan   2025 Apr 14, 1:04pm  

Eric Holder says

This thread is perfect as illustration as to why Waltz, Hegseth, Tootsie and Witkoff are stupid cunts: they used phones that spy on them to discuss sensitive national security matters, one of them while literally sitting the the Kremlin waiting room. :facepalm:

What was sensitive? We could have given Yemen and the Houthis the exact game plan, which we basically did. What in the flying fuck could they do? Outside of nuclear powers we could give anyone our battle plan and destroy them.

Sure it was a mistake, but it didn't much matter.
328   Patrick   2025 May 29, 11:13am  

https://slaynews.com/news/new-eye-scanning-digital-id-launches-6-american-cities/


A new biometric digital ID program has quietly taken root in six major U.S. cities, raising alarm bells among Americans concerned with personal liberty and digital surveillance.

Under the banner of “fighting AI fraud,” the World ID project, backed by OpenAI’s Sam Altman, is scanning people’s irises in exchange for cryptocurrency—and possibly, their privacy.

The system uses a device called the Orb—a shiny, spherical scanner that captures the unique patterns of your eye.

The goal? To create a digital ID that proves you’re a real human being online.

The project’s developers claim this technology will help protect against bots and fraud.

But critics argue it’s another step toward normalizing mass biometric surveillance in the name of convenience.

The disturbing digital ID project has now been rolled out in six Democrat-controlled cities across the country.


It's for your own safety! Shut up! Comply!
329   Patrick   2025 May 29, 11:16am  

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202504.2487/v1#preprints-h2-6


Background/Objectives: Adverse effects of COVID-19 vaccination on human menstrual cycle characteristics have been observed, but limited data are available on the relationship between COVID-19 vaccination status and birth rates. Therefore, we used nationwide data from the Czech Republic to examine rates of successful conceptions, i.e., conceptions leading to live births 9 months later, for women who were either vaccinated or unvaccinated against COVID-19 before successful conception.

Methods: Summary monthly COVID-19 vaccination and birth data for women aged 18-39 years in the Czech Republic were retrieved for the period from January 2021 to December 2023. The numbers of successful conceptions per month per 1,000 women were calculated for preconception-vaccinated or unvaccinated women, respectively, as well as the number of successful conceptions per month per 1,000 women for all women aged 18-39 years.

Results: During the study period, there were approximately 1,300,000 women aged 18-39 years in the Czech Republic, and the proportion of COVID-19-vaccinated women increased until reaching a steady state of around 70% by the end of 2021. During the entire study period, successful conceptions per 1,000 women were considerably lower for women who were vaccinated, compared to those that were unvaccinated, before successful conception. Furthermore, successful conception rates for the vaccinated group were generally much lower than expected based on their proportion of the total population.

Conclusions: In the Czech Republic, successful conception rates were substantially lower for women vaccinated against COVID-19 before successful conception than for those who were not vaccinated. These hypothesis-generating and preliminary results call for further studies of the potential influence of COVID-19 vaccination on human fecundability and fertility.
330   WookieMan   2025 May 29, 11:37am  

Patrick says

It's for your own safety! Shut up! Comply!

I know this is anti-consensus here, but I just fuck with it. Yes, I have Alexa. Bad I know. But wake up in the morning and just say something like my penis itches. My butt hole was bloody when I wiped. Can you get AIDS from licking German Shepard semen. How much shit can you eat in an hour.

AI and all this shit doesn't work if the data is trash. Trash the data. If we could get 100M people in the US to fuck with it, it doesn't work. There's no money. It's fun too.

Ultimately it's advertisers. If the data is trash, they won't buy. For two years I've contemplated how to potentially make money of a campaign to fuck with the data. My brain isn't that big. There's got to be a way.
331   stereotomy   2025 May 29, 1:00pm  

WookieMan says

Patrick says


It's for your own safety! Shut up! Comply!

I know this is anti-consensus here, but I just fuck with it. Yes, I have Alexa. Bad I know. But wake up in the morning and just say something like my penis itches. My butt hole was bloody when I wiped. Can you get AIDS from licking German Shepard semen. How much shit can you eat in an hour.

AI and all this shit doesn't work if the data is trash. Trash the data. If we could get 100M people in the US to fuck with it, it doesn't work. There's no money. It's fun too.

Ultimately it's advertisers. If the data is trash, they won't buy. For two years I've contemplated how to potentially make money of a campaign to fuck with the data. My brain isn't that big. There's got to be a way.

The only problem with this is the 95% of non-bullshit that Alexa records 24/7 from every member of your household.
332   WookieMan   2025 May 29, 5:59pm  

stereotomy says

The only problem with this is the 95% of non-bullshit that Alexa records 24/7 from every member of your household.

Lol. Not a knock, you haven't been in my household. We talk shit all the time. We swear in front of our kids. I'll say things that would offend 80% of users here and so will my boys. It's not in anger, but we're shit talkers.

Oldest just had awards day yesterday and got the most in his class. Sports and academics. Not one call ever from the principle for any of our kids since kindergarten. I get that call they know they're fucked. I don't hit or yell. They'll know they fucked up.

Parents don't parent anymore. Was at the neighbors yesterday and their son was just screaming. It raised my BP by a lot. I just wanted to say shut that fucking kid up and parent. I was quiet and didn't say anything. My kids know my body language. Leading by example for me is not going ape shit in a bad situation. I still wanted to punch that fucker. It was soooooo annoying.

I also would love to hear what my kids say in private. It would likely be a good comedy routine. I just really don't care about privacy anymore. I don't do anything illegal. Be a peeping Tom and post photos of me naked, whatever. The beauty of the life I live is I have nothing to lose.
334   Patrick   2025 Jul 1, 9:48pm  

I've heard this before. Your home wifi can detect when people are moving in the house because the signal changes.

https://jonfleetwood.substack.com/p/xfinity-wifi-tracks-your-movement


Xfinity WiFi Tracks Your Movement at Home—Now CIA Contractor Palantir Has a Path to That Data via Comcast

Your home router now knows when you move—and a CIA-linked surveillance contractor may know too.

Comcast’s Xfinity—the largest cable provider in the U.S.—has rolled out “WiFi Motion,” a real-time in-home motion tracking system, just as its broader data infrastructure now connects to CIA-linked surveillance firm Palantir through a new integration with Databricks, a leading enterprise AI and data platform provider.

Comcast is owned by World Economic Forum (WEF)-tied BlackRock, Vanguard, and StateStreet.

The news comes as DARPA launches a new military AI program—MAGICS—designed to predict and forecast human behavior at scale, raising fresh concerns that tools like Xfinity’s in-home motion tracking could feed future “pre-crime” surveillance systems powered by CIA contractors like Palantir.
335   WookieMan   2025 Jul 2, 11:57am  

Patrick says

I've heard this before. Your home wifi can detect when people are moving in the house because the signal changes.

Or people are just fatter?

Said it before, fuck with the data. I'll shower and say "hey siri" how big is a Golden Retrievers cock? What do horses pussies taste like? I'll get weird shit on my phone after that, but people pay money for the data. They're losing money with my data.

I'm telling you if enough people did it for a week, no one would buy ads. "Would a woman's hip break if a whale inserted its dick into her vagina?"

Control AI and search and we win. Have fun with it. Probably needs a new thread but we should have fun with searches we do with google. Tell friends to do it. Funnier than memes if you want to be. "Would a horse eat your penis if you're dead?"
338   Patrick   2025 Aug 22, 12:22pm  




I'd bet that all Apple products funnel your "private" info to the NSA just like Google products do.
339   stereotomy   2025 Aug 22, 1:04pm  

Apple censors emails. I have a friend with whom I was emailing during the scamdemic. I sent him a link to how bad was your batch, and Apple bounced it.

Apple's privacy thing is a facade - they are building silos and bubbles like the worst of them.

Google just forwards all your shit to the deep state and would prefer you to hang yourself with your own rope.

Six of one and half a dozen of the other. The point is that corporations work hand in glove with the deep state one way or another.
340   Patrick   2025 Sep 6, 1:46pm  

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/khashoggis-widow-sues-israeli-spyware-company-nso-over-phone-hacking-2023-06-16/


Khashoggi's widow sues Israeli spyware company NSO over phone hacking
By Raphael Satter
June 16, 2023

The widow of murdered Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi says in a lawsuit that surveillance software built by the Israeli surveillance company NSO Group was used to spy on her messages in the months leading up to her husband's death.

In a civil suit, opens new tab filed Thursday in the Northern District of Virginia, Hanan Elatr Khashoggi said that NSO "intentionally targeted" her devices and "caused her immense harm, both through the tragic loss of her husband and through her own loss of safety, privacy, and autonomy."

Saudi use of the Pegasus spying tool has come up in other controversial cases. Last year, Reuters reported that an attempt by Saudi authorities to wield Pegasus against Saudi women's rights activist Loujain al-Hathloul backfired, allowing researchers to uncover thousands of other victims and triggering a cascade of legal and government action.
342   The_Deplorable   2025 Oct 24, 9:50am  

Question: Is there a safe phone that does not spy on you?
343   stereotomy   2025 Oct 24, 4:02pm  

Patrick says






Fuck retailers who require you to install their app to get discounts. My family will instead never shop there again unless it's an emergency.

"Fuck you I won't do what you tell me . . ." Yeah I know they are libtard cunts but that is a good song.
344   Patrick   2025 Dec 3, 11:40am  

https://slaynews.com/news/india-mandates-government-surveillance-apps-installed-all-smartphones-track-general-public-24-7/


India’s government has ignited nationwide backlash after quietly ordering private companies to preinstall a controversial government app on every smartphone sold or imported into the country, allowing bureaucrats to track members of the public night and day. ...

The order, sent out last week, gave companies 90 days to ensure the government app Sanchar Saathi was “preinstalled on all mobile handsets manufactured or imported for use in India.”

Officials claimed the requirement was designed “to identify and report acts that may endanger telecom cybersecurity.” ...

The moment Reuters exposed the order, the uproar exploded online, especially among critics of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s increasingly tech-authoritarian government.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/india-orders-mobile-phones-preloaded-with-government-app-ensure-cyber-safety-2025-12-01/
345   Patrick   2025 Dec 4, 11:22am  

https://slaynews.com/news/eu-approves-new-mandate-blanket-scanning-public-private-messages-protect-children/


The Council of the European Union has quietly approved a sweeping new mandate that gives unelected bureaucrats direct access to “scan” the private messages of the general public, all under the guise of “protecting children.”

Eurocrats have taken another major step toward resurrecting the EU’s infamous Chat Control surveillance regime.

However, this time the dystopian agenda has been advanced this time behind closed doors. ...

Officials still insist that the chilling plot is about “child protection,” but critics across the political spectrum say the plan is simply Chat Control 2.0, a massive surveillance framework disguised as reform.


You see, we had to spy on and then murder all political opposition for the children! For the children! That makes it OK.

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