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A phone which does not spy on you

By Patrick follow Patrick   2018 Aug 19, 10:49am 3,065 views   17 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Librem 5, the phone that focuses on security by design and privacy protection by default. Running Free/Libre and Open Source software and a GNU+Linux Operating System designed to create an open development utopia, rather than the walled gardens from all other phone providers.

A fully standards-based freedom-oriented system, based on Debian and many other upstream projects, has never been done before–we will be the first to seriously attempt this.

The Librem 5 phone will be the world’s first ever IP-native mobile handset, using end-to-end encrypted decentralized communication.

Many others have attempted Open Source phones and failed. I hope this one works, especially since I just discovered that you cannot turn off wifi or Bluetooth on Android or iOS. "Turning it off" in the controls on those phones merely disconnects you from current access points, but leaves them on so they can spy on your location with great precision and open you up to various exploits:


On iOS 11, pressing the wifi toggle immediately disconnects the iPhone or iPad from any wifi networks, but leaves the wireless radio available for use by location services, scanning for the names of nearby wifi access points. The Bluetooth toggle operates in a similar fashion. ...

A similar thing happens in Android smartphones, which use wifi as part of their location services. Switching wifi off prevents it from connecting to wifi access points, but allows it to continue periodically scanning for access point names to help pinpoint its location.
1   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Aug 19, 11:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The attempts keep getting cooped by the very people they are trying to compete against.
I'm sure the NSA has played a large role in that. Hopefully with Trump he wont allow this project to fail.
2   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 19, 12:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
Hopefully with Trump he wont allow this project to fail. will allow the marketplace to determine the value and success of a product.

3   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Aug 19, 1:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Evan F. says

This was way different and you know it.

Just look at the article on why it failed. An obvious spin of the reality. There was a huge massive audience of eager early adapters that expected to get a phone that was sent back to the Android Froyo or even Donut flavor as far as limited features compared to now. At least for the first few generations of it.

The reality is it never made it to market to be tested. It was neutered and shelved long before any were available. There was some beta preview that was never even fulfilled IRC, there was deep pocket interests that squashed the project.
That whole why the Ubuntu failed surrounding it's lack of full features compared to Android or Apple is laughable as the biggest features it would lack are the very reasons it was so desirable in the first place. Also the Mobil Phone stores are full of phones that are not Android or Apple and out number those models 10 to 1 at least.
There's still a market for Chicklett and Flip Phones though many carriers like MPCS and BOOST have stopped carrying them, I'm sure for many of the same reasons the Ubuntu phone was shelved.
I mean Google can only admit they track you regardless if you turn it on or off, and Facebook can only admit they are politically biased, if they are confident in their efforts to kill off any real competition.

I'm confident Trump is going to put his big ass Orange foot up that Monopoly Ass!

It will be in all the History books when they talk about the greatest American President.
4   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 19, 1:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
there was deep pocket interests that squashed the project.

care to elaborate?
5   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 19, 2:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Evan F. says
Tenpoundbass says
there was deep pocket interests that squashed the project.

care to elaborate?

Sure, Apple and Google are rumored to cut off contracts with manufacturers who dare to supply competitors as well, and especially for manufacturers who supply such disruptive trends as Open Source phones. I can't prove it, but have run across this a few times.

In addition, there is the natural reluctance of key suppliers to completely document their chips for the public, thus hindering the creation of Open Source drivers. It's natural because a completely documented chip would open them up to competition and cut into profits, and would of course kill sales of drivers for their chips.
6   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Aug 19, 2:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Evan F. says
Tenpoundbass says
there was deep pocket interests that squashed the project.

care to elaborate?

You mean you want me to explain the NSA and Google's cozy relationship that spies on the American smart phone users, and Apples willingness to put the Google Trojan on the apple phones. It's apple for fuck sakes they could have made a decent mapping system if they wanted to. They were probably given a few hundred million to forget about apple services which the NSA didn't want to spend money to tap into, to go for all of the Google services that allows the NSA to keep tabs on Apple users as well.
7   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 22, 1:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
The Librem 5 phone will be the world’s first ever IP-native mobile handset, using end-to-end encrypted decentralized communication.

Is the company called Pied Piper?
8   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2018 Aug 22, 1:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I'm flattered by my phone, since nobody else thinks I am interesting enough to spy on.
9   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 22, 2:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NuttBoxer says
Patrick says
The Librem 5 phone will be the world’s first ever IP-native mobile handset, using end-to-end encrypted decentralized communication.

Is the company called Pied Piper?

They're just trying to make the world a better place.
10   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 22, 3:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

In fact, you could build a much better phone by including long lost features from the old PDAs. There is no substitute for the old app NoviiRemote, for example; most phones don't even have the necessary IR emitters and sensors, and the few that do (mainly LG) have secret drivers and terrible apps. The same goes for FM radio: most phones can do it, but carriers insist on disabling the hardware in order to sell unlimited streaming, so they can monitor what you watch and listen to; LG has FM radio on some models, but proprietary drivers and terrible software. Now that most phone cameras filter out infrared, it would make sense to add an infrared camera for FLIR and temperature sensing. The mobile phone platform has enormous potential, but the current paradigm is based on Apple's walled garden, to maximize revenue.

Patrick says
Google...cut off...Open Source phones.

[If I edited too much, please feel free to correct or delete.]

Firefox OS ran into that problem. Prior to Chrome browser, Google had funded Firefox, for several reasons. Google was trying to get more people online, reduce the dominance of MSFT, etc. Firefox tried to make an OS for smartphones. Firefox OS was basically excluded from the USA market, so it could not compete with Apple and Google. By that time, Google had launched Chrome OS and Chrome browser, so Google cut funding to Mozilla.

Instead, Firefox OS ran only on cheap phones, mostly in India. Worse, Brendan Eich made Firefox OS into a JavaScript delivery vehicle. At the time, the #1 add-on for Firefox browser was NoScript, which exists solely to block JavaScript. Ars Technica wrote that JavaScript made cheap phones unusable (and cross-scripting raises inherent security issues), but Firefox OS had no way to disable JavaScript. As Ars Technica noted, you don't really need JavaScript all the time, nor even at all, so the inability to disable it was needlessly crippling the phones.

Here is where we have disagreed in the past. People from Mozilla (including board members) said there was a difference of opinion about the technology and thus the future direction of the company. Mobile was already becoming huge, as people switched from desktop to mobile. If Firefox OS had allowed disabling JavaScript, those cheap phones could have worked well enough to compete. You have insisted the "only" reason Brendan Eich got fired was because he supported Prop H8, and I can acknowledge that is one reason and it motivated many Mozilla volunteers and partners to complain and some sites asked people to stop using Firefox. You have not yet acknowledged there was also a technical reason, specifically the decision to reduce Firefox OS to a JavaScript delivery vehicle that would not work on the mobile phones that Mozilla was limited to using. The board members who resigned when Eich became CEO, and those who accepted Eich's resignation, cited those reasons. I do also think Eich was wrong about Prop H8 and mishandled the issue as a CEO, but that is beside the point: his insistence on JavaScript messed up Firefox OS so badly that it wouldn't run.

As Ars Technica reported, you can build/buy/sell a phone better than the original iPhone for a really low cost if you can put a viable OS on it. There is a big market for that, since most people don't need nor even necessarily want most of the stuff going into phones now.
11   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Aug 22, 3:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

My cell phone definitely doesn't spy on me.

But, I do have some issues trying to post to Patnet on it.
13   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 11, 9:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


Getting started with developing applications for a mobile platform can be a challenging task, especially when it comes to building and testing the application on the mobile device itself.

The Librem 5 makes its application development workflow extremely simple.

You don’t need to worry about registering a developer account with some parent company.
You don’t need to register your testing devices and ask the permission to a parent company just to be able to build and run your applications on those devices.
You don’t need to “Jailbreak” your devices in order to access some restricted software or hardware features.
And the best part is that you don’t need to worry about cross platform compiling because you can use the development tools directly on the phone.
The “quick start” video below that I made for the Librem 5 developers documentation demonstrates how quickly you can get up and running with making your own GTK applications on a Librem 5.

In this video, I have attached a Librem 5 to an external keyboard, mouse and monitor through a USB-C hub, and I use GNOME Builder to quickly create a new GTK application project, build it and run it on both the big desktop monitor and the small mobile screen with just a drag and drop across the screens.

Yes, I do all that with the computing power of the Librem 5 only! There are no special effects nor a hidden desktop computer. I even did the screencast recording with an external device so it shows the real speed of the Librem 5 when driving a 32″ Full HD monitor.
14   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 13, 8:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


School custodian refuses to download phone app that monitors location, says it got her fired

Increase in 'tattleware' a slippery slope for loss of workers’ privacy, employment lawyer warns ...

When her boss told her to download the app, Dionne says she was concerned about her privacy. The app would go on her personal phone and, she says, her boss didn't clearly explain how it worked or what would happen to any data it collected.

"It was just a blanket statement — 'Everybody install this app on their phone. This is how we're doing things from now on,'" said Dionne. ...

"We are giving away a lot of our privacy rights without even realizing what we're giving up," she said. "Before it's too late and we go down some slippery slope, it's time that we looked at this."

Dionne says it was a blow to be fired, but the experience has a silver lining.

She now wants to learn how to help other employees who feel they weren't treated right, either.

"I'm going back to school," said Dionne. "I'm thinking of going into law."
15   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2021 Apr 13, 8:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
'Everybody install this app on their phone. This is how we're doing things from now on,'

I have some old phones lying in the garage. That app would go on one of these. The phone would stay where it is now.
16   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 13, 11:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
'Everybody install this app on their phone.

If it is a company supplied phone, fine. If it is the employee's personally owned phone, no way. Just like a company can put trackers on company owned vehicles, but not on employee's private cars.
17   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 28, 3:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


Court scolds FBI for partnering with Google and others on warrantless surveillance but then renews it ...

In a ruling, the surveillance court reprimanded the FBI for multiple episodes of analysts improperly searching for data involving Americans through the warrantless surveillance program. Despite the violations, and general controversy surrounding the program, the court still re-approved it for another year. ...

The law allows the NSA, with the help of tech companies such as AT&T and Google, to harvest online messages and phone calls of non-citizens who are abroad without the need for a warrant. However, often these communications are between foreigners and Americans, which raises the question whether there should be different rules for US citizens’ messages that get intercepted.

The NSA provides relevant data from the program to the FBI, CIA, and the National Counterterrorism Center. The FBI receives data that the NSA deems relevant for investigation for national security reasons. ...

The court also recounted such episodes in its ruling the previous year. Despite the violations, the judge still approved the program for another year.

“While the court is concerned about the apparent widespread violations of the querying standard,” Judge Boasberg wrote, “it lacks sufficient information at this time to assess the adequacy of the F.B.I. system changes and training, post implementation.” Therefore, the court concluded that “the FBI’s querying and minimization procedures meet statutory and Fourth Amendment requirements.”

So the attacks on our basic rights continue with flagrant violation of the 4th Amendment here, in addition to the violations of the 1st and 2nd.

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