2018 Aug 26, 9:13pm
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The headlines coming out of the Episcopal Church’s annual U.S. convention are stunning — endorsement of cross-dressing clergy, blessing same-sex marriage, the sale of their headquarters since they can’t afford to maintain it.The American branch of the Church of England, founded when the Vatican balked at permitting King Henry VIII to continue annulling marriages to any wife who failed to bear him sons, is in trouble.Somehow slipping out of the headlines is a harsh reality that the denomination has been deserted in droves by an angry or ambivalent membership. Six prominent bishops are ready to take their large dioceses out of the American church and align with conservative Anglican groups in Africa and South America.“An interesting moment came at a press conference on Saturday,” reports convention attendee David Virtue, “when I asked Bonnie Anderson, president of the House of Deputies, if she saw the irony in that the House of Deputies would like to see the Church Center at 815 2nd Avenue in New York sold (it has a $37.5 million mortgage debt and needs $8.5 million to maintain yearly) while at the same time the national church spent $18 million litigating for properties, many of which will lie fallow at the end of the day.”This is no longer George Washington’s Episcopal Church – in 1776 the largest denomination in the rebellious British colonies. Membership has dropped so dramatically that today there are 20 times more Baptists than Episcopalians.U.S. Catholics out-number the Episcopal Church 33-to-1. There are more Jews than Episcopalians. Twice as many Mormons as Episcopalians. Even the little African Methodist Episcopal denomination -- founded in in 1787 -- has passed the Episcopalians.Among the old mainstream denominations reporting to the National Council of Churches, the Episcopal Church suffered the worst loss of membership from 1992-2002 — plunging from 3.4 million members to 2.3 million for a 32 percent loss. In the NCC’s 2012 yearbook, the Episcopal Church admitted another 2.71 percent annual membership loss...Convention attendees were told that they had spent $18 million this year suing their own local congregations — those which have protested the denomination’s policies by trying to secede. The New York hierarchy has consistently won in court – asserting that the local members signed over their buildings decades ago. As a result, some of the largest Episcopal congregations in the United States have been forced to vacate their buildings and meet elsewhere.
“On July 8, 2012, Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori preached her brand of post-Christian religion while masquerading as a Christian bishop,” reported convention attendee Dr. Sarah Frances Ives.“She mocked most of the crucial doctrines of the Christian faith, including the God of creation, the Incarnation, and the Trinity. She accomplishes this through her demeaning use of rhetoric. She taunts the Lord by the use of the name ‘Big Man’ and then points her finger at everyone listening and tells them that they have ‘missed the boat.’“Jefferts Schori then proclaims that she has the answer for this. We all need the ‘act of crossing boundaries’ to become God after which our hands become a ‘sacrament of mission.’“In this sermon, Jefferts Schori continued her mission of destroying the Christian faith through her rhetorical device of dismissive ridicule.“Jefferts Schori leaves a wide wake of destruction behind with this sermon: the eternal triune God has been torn down, human beings are to boldly claim our place as God, and the sacraments of the Eucharist and Baptism have been turned into things our hands make. In other words, Jefferts Schori accepts that now humanity, animals and God are one undifferentiated blob. This is essentially a form of solipsism, the belief that self is all that is known to exist. Anyone can see that this is both pure heresy and utter nonsense.“Episcopalians need to loudly affirm that we are created in the image of God and redeemed by the sacrifice of the Son of God, but no, we are not God ourselves and we are not erasing the boundary between God and humanity. That Jefferts Schori is encouraging humans to cross the frontier into becoming God should be immediately repudiated by all believing Christians.”
These libby cunt churches need to understand JESUS! went to HIS! death shrieking SEIG! HEIL! from the CROSS! for a reason!
Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori
It is right wingers who are constantly desecrating our flag by arrempts to undermine America by injecting their Failed Losers religion into our government
The Roman Catholic Church is collapsing also and it is not generally considered “liberal”.
The Roman Catholic Church is collapsing also and it is not generally considered “liberal”.I think the cabal of coverups has a bit to do with that.
Republicans rely on the sheep culled by The Christian Church to vote Republican, religiously.
The Espicopal Church is actually preventing separatist local churches from keeping the facilities and has a policy of refusing to sell to them no matter what. In one Buffalo Church, they refused to sell to the splitting members at full price, turned around and sold it as an Islamic Center for below market price.
Republicans rely on the Democrats to cull their babies through abortion so there are more conservative and Christian voters.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned
the Church and the State
Gods bastard son, conceived by that whore Mary, died for your sins! Jesus forgives!!
Clearly this is a sect that is determined to commit suicide. Perhaps it needed to happen so that people would not be trapped in churches that spread the wrong message.
But not at the admonition of any doctrine found in the New Testament scripture as there is in Islam, but from sinful men. They'll reap their punishment in the Judgment.
FortWayne saysFounding Fathers were all Christian men. Not atheistic fags who hate anything that reminds them of being wrong.History disagrees with youMost were Calvinists, however they all agreed that our government need be free of religion, because religious folk ruin everything they touch. If you like Sunday school fables designed to control the simps, have at it. But keep your religion out of our government. There’s no place for Allah in the government
Founding Fathers were all Christian men. Not atheistic fags who hate anything that reminds them of being wrong.
money based on Christian faith, even our dollars say that...Founding fathers....
Liberal Churches Collapsing
Islam provides the ultimate example. It tells believers they are superior and to kill the disbelievers. Once the disbelievers are dead, the survivors (believers) are obviously superior due to being still alive, thus it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
If the Reverend Anne Fowler had not had access to an abortion when she accidentally became pregnant after enrolling in Divinity School, she would never have been able to graduate, to serve as a parish rector, or to help the enormous number of people whose lives she has touched. Unable to pursue her calling or be the mother she wanted to be for the daughter she already had, she would have been broken.Fowler, who is active in the pro-abortion movement and is a leader with the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, said her husband left her when she was pregnant with her first child. She gave birth to a daughter, and soon felt called to pursue the Episcopal priesthood. In 1982, during her second year at the Episcopal Divinity School, Fowler said she “accidentally” became pregnant again.She believed her partner would not be a suitable parent; their relationship ended soon after the abortion. Already solely responsible for her daughter, Anne knew she could not complete Divinity School and pursue a career as a priest if she did not have an abortion. She has never regretted her decision and is grateful that she did not have to travel far, which would have caused her additional stress and financial hardship while she cared for her young daughter.
Do we want to alienate most of our minority, non-white members, most women, most intellectuals?
The Rev. Jerry Kulah of Liberia said “the church in Africa would cease to exist” if the ban on LGBTQ clergy were lifted. He went on to say he “can’t do anything but support the Traditional Plan” because it is “the biblical plan.”
The UMC’s increasingly global delegation outweighs US push to shift LGBT positions, leading some progressive congregations to leave....It was not the outcome many Americans, including most UMC bishops, had been praying for. In the States, a large portion of Methodists wanted to see the church accommodate LGBT ceremonies and clergy, as other mainline denominations have done in recent years. One poll through Mainstream UMC reported at least two-thirds of US delegates supported the more-inclusive “One Church Plan” instead.But the growing global presence among the 12 million-member denomination held more sway. Methodists from outside the US, who favor more traditional positions on sexuality, made up 41 percent of the general conference’s 864 delegates. A full 30 percent were from Africa.“This session of the [general conference] has made it clear that there has been a dramatic shift in the center of gravity in the UMC,” said Kimberly Reisman, executive director for World Methodist Evangelism, which connects 80 Wesleyan denominations in 138 countries. “It appears that we are now a much more thoroughly global, evangelical church, rather than simply a mainline, American denomination with missionaries outposts outside the US.”
Just imagine what's gonna happen in 20 years when all the Mexicans and Guatemalans vote pro-life and for traditional marriage."B-B-But, you were supposed to be for Liberation and Redistribution!!! How can you lovely Brown People betray your White Allies!?"
Lupfer believes the likely schismatic pro-LGBT Methodists will “forge new coalitions and pursue [their] version of social holiness (???) without hindrance by American conservatives or by the African United Methodists whose beliefs it has so long abhorred,” resulting in “fascinating merger possibilities with Lutherans, Episcopalians or others.”While the expected split may see the dividing line drawn between the wealthy American and the poorer African Methodist churches, the Africans are stalwart in their support of traditional Biblical morality, despite the threat of a loss of financial support.“Africans are not children in need of western enlightenment when it comes to the church’s sexual ethics,” declared Dr. Jerry Kulah, Dean of Theology at the United Methodist University in Liberia, during a presentation at the UMC convention. “We do not need to hear a progressive U.S. bishop lecture us about our need to ‘grow up.’”“The vast majority of African United Methodists will never, ever trade Jesus and the truth of the Bible for money,” affirmed Kulah, who also noted that in contrast with the UMC in the U.S., “the Church in Africa is growing in leaps and bounds because we are committed to biblical Christianity.”https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/methodists-make-history-vote-against-allowing-homosexual-marriage-lgbt-clergy
...Furthermore, their actions seem to confirm the fears of our founding father, John Wesley. About five years before his demise, John Wesley had expressed his fears about the future of our church in regards to its continued commitment and submission to the Scripture and discipline that govern us. He said, “I am not afraid that the people called Methodist should ever cease to exist either in Europe or America [in Africa and the rest of the world]. But I am afraid, lest they should only exist as a dead sect, having the form of religion without the power. And this undoubtedly will be the case, unless they hold fast both to the doctrine, spirit and discipline with which they first set out”. When we abandon the clear teaching of Scripture in favor of some philosophies and ideologies of contemporary society, we cease to exist within God’s parameter of grace.
To whom are the RC Church losing followers? Some are just leaving and not attending any Church, but when others leave they mostly flock to conservative Churches.
I think one reason for its decline is in fact that it is too liberal.