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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 5:25am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 5:25am
bob2356 says
What meaningless strawman? The Fact that States provide subsidies and breaks to Agra beyond the Federal Government?
Meanwhile, Canada lost around 52,000 jobs last Month That's not a Typo.
https://patrick.net/post/1318804/2018-09-09-canada-in-jobs-freefall
You threw out the meaningless straw man about 2002 not me. Which statement is true? They contradict each other.
What meaningless strawman? The Fact that States provide subsidies and breaks to Agra beyond the Federal Government?
Meanwhile, Canada lost around 52,000 jobs last Month That's not a Typo.
https://patrick.net/post/1318804/2018-09-09-canada-in-jobs-freefall
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LastMan
2018 Sep 9, 4:50pm
bob2356 says
It's not about the trade problems. It's about Trump's personality; who he can relate to and who he thinks he can bully.
So problems with Canada trade are equivalent to problems with china trade? By what a factor of 100 to 1 or so? ROFLOL.
It's not about the trade problems. It's about Trump's personality; who he can relate to and who he thinks he can bully.
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LastMan
2018 Sep 9, 5:03pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Canada doesn't pretend to be totally Free Trade. It has trade barriers the same as the US and every other nation. Trump is pretending that the only barriers are Canadian. Perhaps the trade negotiators should get to work and make a deal that both sides can live with, without interference from Trump.
Canada pretends to be totally Free Trade, but in reality has plenty of "Non-Tariff Trade Barriers" that keep out foreign competition.
Canada doesn't pretend to be totally Free Trade. It has trade barriers the same as the US and every other nation. Trump is pretending that the only barriers are Canadian. Perhaps the trade negotiators should get to work and make a deal that both sides can live with, without interference from Trump.
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LastMan
2018 Sep 9, 5:09pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
But it is cherry picking. Link from the Patnet post.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/wacky-canadian-economy-lost-51-600-jobs-led-by-ontario-plunge-1.1134558
'So far in 2018, the economy has shed 14,600 jobs, but the number masks a 97,300 gain in full-time jobs. Part-time employment is down by 111,900 this year.'
Meanwhile, Canada lost around 52,000 jobs last Month That's not a Typo.
But it is cherry picking. Link from the Patnet post.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/wacky-canadian-economy-lost-51-600-jobs-led-by-ontario-plunge-1.1134558
'So far in 2018, the economy has shed 14,600 jobs, but the number masks a 97,300 gain in full-time jobs. Part-time employment is down by 111,900 this year.'
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 5:36pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 5:36pm
LastMan says
Anybody who doesn't bully Trudeau is letting an easy victory go by. I say Trump should squeeze him mercilessly. Elect a wimp, get wimpy outcomes.
Also, I'm sick of people telling me to go easy on the Euros and Canadians when all they do is criticize, delay, object, and underfund their mutual commitments.
LastMan says
I think you're cherry picking:
Obviously August was a disaster. You can't look at the whole year and but dismiss the last month being a godawful disaster, it's more a sign of things to come. We're winning the trade war: Spooked Canadian companies are shedding workers in anticipation of no NAFTA deal.
TDS sufferers also need to consider how wrong they've been on the Election, North Korea, the Economy, etc. and implement some self-doubt.
Trudeau better start making concessions!
It's not about the trade problems. It's about Trump's personality; who he can relate to and who he thinks he can bully.
Anybody who doesn't bully Trudeau is letting an easy victory go by. I say Trump should squeeze him mercilessly. Elect a wimp, get wimpy outcomes.
Also, I'm sick of people telling me to go easy on the Euros and Canadians when all they do is criticize, delay, object, and underfund their mutual commitments.
LastMan says
But it is cherry picking. Link from the Patnet post.
I think you're cherry picking:
The nation’s largest province lost 80,100 jobs in August, all part-time, the biggest decline for Ontario since 2009. Nationally, the economy lost 92,000 part-time workers, though a 40,400 gain in full-time employment is one sign the labour market is firmer than the headline number suggests.
Obviously August was a disaster. You can't look at the whole year and but dismiss the last month being a godawful disaster, it's more a sign of things to come. We're winning the trade war: Spooked Canadian companies are shedding workers in anticipation of no NAFTA deal.
TDS sufferers also need to consider how wrong they've been on the Election, North Korea, the Economy, etc. and implement some self-doubt.
Trudeau better start making concessions!
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LastMan
2018 Sep 9, 5:56pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
You're making assumptions. Part time tourist/summer jobs tend to end in August. There could be other explanations. You have to admit, the strong growth in full time positions, including in August, is positive. More observation time is needed to tell the full story.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Everyone loves a bully. Especially the ones that pick on their closest allies. Trump should be firing his NAFTA negotiation team, as he clearly has no faith in them to make a good deal without his strongman tactics.
We're winning the trade war: Spooked Canadian companies are shedding workers in anticipation of no NAFTA deal.
You're making assumptions. Part time tourist/summer jobs tend to end in August. There could be other explanations. You have to admit, the strong growth in full time positions, including in August, is positive. More observation time is needed to tell the full story.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Anybody who doesn't bully Trudeau is letting an easy victory go by. I say Trump should squeeze him mercilessly. Elect a wimp, get wimpy outcomes.
Everyone loves a bully. Especially the ones that pick on their closest allies. Trump should be firing his NAFTA negotiation team, as he clearly has no faith in them to make a good deal without his strongman tactics.
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bob2356
2018 Sep 9, 6:02pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
So which is it? Did the feds eliminate state subsidies in 2002 or not? You need to pick a story and stay with it,
What meaningless strawman? The Fact that States provide subsidies and breaks to Agra beyond the Federal Government?
So which is it? Did the feds eliminate state subsidies in 2002 or not? You need to pick a story and stay with it,
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 6:27pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 6:27pm
LastMan says
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Canada is half - half - of the expected NATO expenditure of 2% GDP on Defense at 0.99% of GDP. Canada and Germany, as wealthy countries, should be contributing in excess of 2% as a good example for others. Currently, Canada is in the bottom five of the 28 NATO members in terms of Defense GDP spending. Less than Germany, Canada, Italy. FFS, we're gonna end up building icebreakers and more ships because Canada won't commit enough to it's own Arctic Defense.
The days of Europe and Canada slapping all kinds of tariffs, non-tariff trade barriers like the anti-Free Trade Canadian Telecom and Banking hyperprotectionism, underfunding mutual commitments, while criticizing America and telling the world to deal with themselves instead of US as a 'better alternative' are over.
Start acting like a friend and ally, there's no more Cold War and no more reason for all these subsidies and underwriting of your trade at our expense.
Everyone loves a bully. Especially the ones that pick on their closest allies. Trump should be firing his NAFTA negotiation team, as he clearly has no faith in them to make a good deal without his strongman tactics.
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Canada is half - half - of the expected NATO expenditure of 2% GDP on Defense at 0.99% of GDP. Canada and Germany, as wealthy countries, should be contributing in excess of 2% as a good example for others. Currently, Canada is in the bottom five of the 28 NATO members in terms of Defense GDP spending. Less than Germany, Canada, Italy. FFS, we're gonna end up building icebreakers and more ships because Canada won't commit enough to it's own Arctic Defense.
The days of Europe and Canada slapping all kinds of tariffs, non-tariff trade barriers like the anti-Free Trade Canadian Telecom and Banking hyperprotectionism, underfunding mutual commitments, while criticizing America and telling the world to deal with themselves instead of US as a 'better alternative' are over.
Start acting like a friend and ally, there's no more Cold War and no more reason for all these subsidies and underwriting of your trade at our expense.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 6:28pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 6:28pm
bob2356 says
What story? States still subsidize Agra. The Multistate Diary Compact ended, but there are god knows how many subsidies among the various states.
Here's NYS, just for Vineyards, Hopeyards, and Wine & Beer enterprises:
https://esd.ny.gov/nysbeveragebiz/permitsincentives.html
Do you deny this?
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
What meaningless strawman? The Fact that States provide subsidies and breaks to Agra beyond the Federal Government?
So which is it? Did the feds eliminate state subsidies in 2002 or not? You need to pick a story and stay with it,
What story? States still subsidize Agra. The Multistate Diary Compact ended, but there are god knows how many subsidies among the various states.
Here's NYS, just for Vineyards, Hopeyards, and Wine & Beer enterprises:
https://esd.ny.gov/nysbeveragebiz/permitsincentives.html
Do you deny this?
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LastMan
2018 Sep 9, 6:39pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Clearly automotive trade wars will rectify this.
Canada is half - half - of the expected NATO expenditure of 2% GDP on Defense at 0.99% of GDP.
Clearly automotive trade wars will rectify this.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 6:41pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 6:41pm
LastMan says
Sure will, we already got 45% set aside for $14-16/hr jobs in North American Auto Manufacturing Jobs.
No more Canadian importing Euro and Chinese parts, assembling them, then importing them to the US Tariff free as a way to help Euros and Chinese dodge tariffs at the expense of US Jobs and Taxes. 85% NAM parts is the new standard.
At a minimum , Canada must open it's Banking, Media, and Telecom to competition.
Trudeau and Freeland thought Trump would never complete a deal with Mexico first. Their "Town Socialist" arrogance got them and Canada into Trouble. Now their options are limited.
Clearly automotive trade wars will rectify this.
Sure will, we already got 45% set aside for $14-16/hr jobs in North American Auto Manufacturing Jobs.
No more Canadian importing Euro and Chinese parts, assembling them, then importing them to the US Tariff free as a way to help Euros and Chinese dodge tariffs at the expense of US Jobs and Taxes. 85% NAM parts is the new standard.
At a minimum , Canada must open it's Banking, Media, and Telecom to competition.
Trudeau and Freeland thought Trump would never complete a deal with Mexico first. Their "Town Socialist" arrogance got them and Canada into Trouble. Now their options are limited.
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LastMan
2018 Sep 9, 6:52pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
And that will increase Canadian spending on NATO? You'll have to explain this leap of logic.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Proof would be appreciated. Perhaps I should claim that the US is importing Euro and Chinese parts, and then importing them to Canada and Mexico tariff free.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Clearly both you and Trump have no confidence in the US NAFTA team to achieve this via negotiations. Bully tactics and threats are necessary.
Sure will, we already got 45% set aside for $14-16/hr jobs in North American Auto Manufacturing Jobs.
And that will increase Canadian spending on NATO? You'll have to explain this leap of logic.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
No more Canadian importing Euro and Chinese parts, assembling them, then importing them to the US Tariff free.
Proof would be appreciated. Perhaps I should claim that the US is importing Euro and Chinese parts, and then importing them to Canada and Mexico tariff free.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
At a minimum , Canada must open it's Banking, Media, and Telecom to competition.
Clearly both you and Trump have no confidence in the US NAFTA team to achieve this via negotiations. Bully tactics and threats are necessary.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 7:18pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 7:18pm
LastMan says
Straw Man, I never said they were related. What plans does Trudeau have to get NATO spending up to snuff?
LastMan says
And LightSaber is concerned:
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/344621-china-hopes-to-use-canada-as-trojan-horse-into-us-market
(Author is a Chinese-Canadian Professor and expert on China-Canada relations.)
That's planes, as this is about China's special status potentially endangering US-CAN aerospace/high tech relationships, but the cars are already there:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tariffs-explainer-the-house-1.4726668
The reason the mostly Asian and European cars exported to the US are made in Canada is because of the old, obsolete, pre-China Manufacturing Powerhouse NAFTA rules Canada exploits. Canada as a NAFTA member acts a backdoor to get around US tariffs on non-NAM parts.
Mexico and the US have agreed to 75-85% NAM Parts. By the way, Trump needs no approval from Congress, only a 90 day notice before new rules take effect on NAFTA. Congress would have to come up with a 2/3 veto-proof override to stop.it from happening, and the new rules are a winner for the US Working Class and very hard for Canadian and Neoliberal Lobbyists to fight.
LastMan says
It was already achieved with Mexico, which was actually thought to be the tougher nut to crack.
What happened was Ottawa Snobs, who thought Trump was tilting at windmills by trying to "divide and conquer" by focusing on Mexico first, and gloating about it, ended up getting outsmarted and outfought. Now they're crying "Mean Bully!"
And that will increase Canadian spending on NATO? You'll have to explain this leap of logic.
Straw Man, I never said they were related. What plans does Trudeau have to get NATO spending up to snuff?
LastMan says
Proof would be appreciated. Perhaps I should claim that the US is importing Euro and Chinese parts, and then importing them to Canada and Mexico tariff free.
And LightSaber is concerned:
“North American” content required to qualify for NAFTA is set at between 50-60 percent under Chapter 4. With this low bar, many PRC goods and services can be regarded as Canadian products. It is conceivable that a PRC-made airliner equipped with North American origin engines, avionics, hydraulics, etc., will qualify as a “domestic” North American product if it entered Canada duty free for final assembly. Thus, Canada can demand NAFTA preferences for Chinese products and services.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/344621-china-hopes-to-use-canada-as-trojan-horse-into-us-market
(Author is a Chinese-Canadian Professor and expert on China-Canada relations.)
That's planes, as this is about China's special status potentially endangering US-CAN aerospace/high tech relationships, but the cars are already there:
Around 80 per cent of cars made in Canada are exported, with most of them flowing across the southern border.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tariffs-explainer-the-house-1.4726668
The reason the mostly Asian and European cars exported to the US are made in Canada is because of the old, obsolete, pre-China Manufacturing Powerhouse NAFTA rules Canada exploits. Canada as a NAFTA member acts a backdoor to get around US tariffs on non-NAM parts.
Mexico and the US have agreed to 75-85% NAM Parts. By the way, Trump needs no approval from Congress, only a 90 day notice before new rules take effect on NAFTA. Congress would have to come up with a 2/3 veto-proof override to stop.it from happening, and the new rules are a winner for the US Working Class and very hard for Canadian and Neoliberal Lobbyists to fight.
LastMan says
Clearly both you and Trump have no confidence in the US NAFTA team to achieve this via negotiations. Bully tactics and threats are necessary.
It was already achieved with Mexico, which was actually thought to be the tougher nut to crack.
What happened was Ottawa Snobs, who thought Trump was tilting at windmills by trying to "divide and conquer" by focusing on Mexico first, and gloating about it, ended up getting outsmarted and outfought. Now they're crying "Mean Bully!"
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LastMan
2018 Sep 10, 6:23pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
You brought up NATO in 26. Posts 28 and 29 sure make it look like you think they're related.
The Tam article doesn't prove your point that China is selling cars or part via Canada into the US. The author's opinion is that China wants to and is making demands on Canada to allow them to do so. Even the title makes it clear "China may use Canada as 'Trojan horse' into US market". Note the word 'may'. I'll point out in post 29 you saidTwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
And from what I've read, Canadians agree with the 75-85% NAM parts.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/28/trump-nafta-canada-mexico-trade-deal-758572
"Trump notified lawmakers in 2017 of his intention to renegotiate NAFTA, not strike a bilateral trade deal with Mexico. So, unless Canada is brought into the pact, he could be challenged on whether he has actually met the requirements of the TPA legislation, said Bill Reinsch, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies."
I'm not sure whether Trump needs congress or not, but I don't think things are as clear cut as you believe.
Straw Man, I never said they were related. What plans does Trudeau have to get NATO spending up to snuff?
You brought up NATO in 26. Posts 28 and 29 sure make it look like you think they're related.
The Tam article doesn't prove your point that China is selling cars or part via Canada into the US. The author's opinion is that China wants to and is making demands on Canada to allow them to do so. Even the title makes it clear "China may use Canada as 'Trojan horse' into US market". Note the word 'may'. I'll point out in post 29 you saidTwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
No more Canadian importing Euro and Chinese parts, assembling them, then importing them to the US Tariff free as a way to help Euros and Chinese dodge tariffs at the expense of US Jobs and Taxes. 85% NAM parts is the new standard.you said it is happening, but have proved that it is not.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Mexico and the US have agreed to 75-85% NAM Parts.
And from what I've read, Canadians agree with the 75-85% NAM parts.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
By the way, Trump needs no approval from Congress, only a 90 day notice before new rules take effect on NAFTA.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/28/trump-nafta-canada-mexico-trade-deal-758572
"Trump notified lawmakers in 2017 of his intention to renegotiate NAFTA, not strike a bilateral trade deal with Mexico. So, unless Canada is brought into the pact, he could be challenged on whether he has actually met the requirements of the TPA legislation, said Bill Reinsch, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies."
I'm not sure whether Trump needs congress or not, but I don't think things are as clear cut as you believe.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 10, 7:05pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 10, 7:05pm
LastMan says
I brought it up in the context of Canada wanting to continue special Cold War era beneficial economic treatment, while not following through on commitments to security obligations.
LastMan says
Sorry?
LastMan says
Until recently, it was. I suspect that's Freeland backpedaling as fast as she possibly can, given her desperation at having messed up so badly.
https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/commodities-business-pmn/agriculture-commodities-business-pmn/nafta-sticking-points-a-list-of-impediments-holding-up-a-deal
LastMan says
They are. Neoliberal Free Traders wanted outsourcing from the USA as fast as possible, and figured the trend would always be for outsourcing and deindustrialization, so under the bill that approved the NAFTA Treaties, when the President renegotiates the terms, Congress has only 90 days to stop it. This was envisioned as a way to stop the Rustbelt congressmen from stopping it.
Unfortunately, with a populist President, Congress now has to pass a bill to stop it, which the President can veto, therefore Congress must get a veto-proof 2/3 majority in 90 days or it's the law.
You brought up NATO in 26. Posts 28 and 29 sure make it look like you think they're related.
I brought it up in the context of Canada wanting to continue special Cold War era beneficial economic treatment, while not following through on commitments to security obligations.
LastMan says
you said it is happening, but have proved that it is not.
Sorry?
LastMan says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce saysMexico and the US have agreed to 75-85% NAM Parts.
And from what I've read, Canadians agree with the 75-85% NAM parts.
Until recently, it was. I suspect that's Freeland backpedaling as fast as she possibly can, given her desperation at having messed up so badly.
https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/commodities-business-pmn/agriculture-commodities-business-pmn/nafta-sticking-points-a-list-of-impediments-holding-up-a-deal
LastMan says
"Trump notified lawmakers in 2017 of his intention to renegotiate NAFTA, not strike a bilateral trade deal with Mexico. So, unless Canada is brought into the pact, he could be challenged on whether he has actually met the requirements of the TPA legislation, said Bill Reinsch, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies."
I'm not sure whether Trump needs congress or not, but I don't think things are as clear cut as you believe.
They are. Neoliberal Free Traders wanted outsourcing from the USA as fast as possible, and figured the trend would always be for outsourcing and deindustrialization, so under the bill that approved the NAFTA Treaties, when the President renegotiates the terms, Congress has only 90 days to stop it. This was envisioned as a way to stop the Rustbelt congressmen from stopping it.
Unfortunately, with a populist President, Congress now has to pass a bill to stop it, which the President can veto, therefore Congress must get a veto-proof 2/3 majority in 90 days or it's the law.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 10, 7:08pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 10, 7:08pm
Frankly, Telecoms, Banking, and Media are more important than Diary. That's where much bigger money is today.
Canada will have to open itself to trade in some of those areas or no deal.
it's no problem for the USA, we're not as dependent on Exports, and 93% of our exports go elsewhere in the world. But 80% of Canada's exports go to the US, and Canada is more dependent on Exports as a percentage of their GDP overall, than we are.
What's funny is when NAFTA renegotiations first began, Canada's talk was of Gender Rules, Native American Rules, and requiring the US to restrict right-to-work rules. A whole new set of rules and restrictions, to weaken America's competitive advantage and allow Trudeau to posture as Defender Of Social Justice. Now they're fumbling for any kind of angle.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/nafta-must-include-gender-equality-protection-trudeau-says/article36227621/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/canada-demands-us-end-right-to-work-laws-as-part-of-nafta-talks/article36160015/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/afn-nafta-chapter-backing-1.4359070
Trudeau really dropped the soap in the prison shower. He came in so brazen and bold, arrogant and condescending. From his and Freeland's attitude and behavior over the Trump Administration, they are going to have a helluva time. Unlike Kim or Merkel, all the cards are in Trump's hands, and it's actually beneficial for him to screw Trudeau over as hard as possible as a warning to opponents at home and abroad, and to get Canadians motivated to change leadership.
But, if you watch the CBC, you'd think if Trudeau is in charge.
Canada will have to open itself to trade in some of those areas or no deal.
it's no problem for the USA, we're not as dependent on Exports, and 93% of our exports go elsewhere in the world. But 80% of Canada's exports go to the US, and Canada is more dependent on Exports as a percentage of their GDP overall, than we are.
What's funny is when NAFTA renegotiations first began, Canada's talk was of Gender Rules, Native American Rules, and requiring the US to restrict right-to-work rules. A whole new set of rules and restrictions, to weaken America's competitive advantage and allow Trudeau to posture as Defender Of Social Justice. Now they're fumbling for any kind of angle.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/nafta-must-include-gender-equality-protection-trudeau-says/article36227621/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/canada-demands-us-end-right-to-work-laws-as-part-of-nafta-talks/article36160015/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/afn-nafta-chapter-backing-1.4359070
Trudeau really dropped the soap in the prison shower. He came in so brazen and bold, arrogant and condescending. From his and Freeland's attitude and behavior over the Trump Administration, they are going to have a helluva time. Unlike Kim or Merkel, all the cards are in Trump's hands, and it's actually beneficial for him to screw Trudeau over as hard as possible as a warning to opponents at home and abroad, and to get Canadians motivated to change leadership.
But, if you watch the CBC, you'd think if Trudeau is in charge.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 10, 7:27pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 10, 7:27pm
Canadian view of how Trudeau messed up NAFTA negotiations:
www.youtube.com/embed/9LQRp72dI1I
www.youtube.com/embed/9LQRp72dI1I
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LastMan
2018 Sep 12, 5:00pm
"But in the United States’ troubled dairy heartland, where low prices are forcing farm after farm into bankruptcy, many producers have taken a much different view lately — they’re actually embracing supply management as a potential saviour."
"Not only could supply management ensure that oversupply does not depress prices, it would render unnecessary the bailouts governments periodically pay to dairy farmers, say American proponents of the system."
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/growing-number-of-u-s-dairy-farmers-look-to-supply-management-to-solve-crisis-as-trump-urges-canada-to-kill-it
"Not only could supply management ensure that oversupply does not depress prices, it would render unnecessary the bailouts governments periodically pay to dairy farmers, say American proponents of the system."
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/growing-number-of-u-s-dairy-farmers-look-to-supply-management-to-solve-crisis-as-trump-urges-canada-to-kill-it
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LastMan
2018 Sep 12, 5:25pm
"Geopolitically, the PRC aims to detach Canada from its alliance with the U.S. and other allies and secure Canada’s acquiescence to the PRC aggression against neighboring states like South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, India, the South China Sea, etc. PRC routinely tightly link foreign policy with trade to punish countries."
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/344621-china-hopes-to-use-canada-as-trojan-horse-into-us-market
Good thing Trump isn't doing anything to alienate Canada.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/344621-china-hopes-to-use-canada-as-trojan-horse-into-us-market
Good thing Trump isn't doing anything to alienate Canada.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 12, 9:45pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 12, 9:45pm
LastMan says
Freeland and Trudeau, as I explained earlier, came into the NAFTA renegotiations with all kinds of SJW demands they knew would piss off Trump and be unacceptable generally. There was no way any Republican, not even Wimpy Jeb or Cucky Kasich, would accept any of those proposals, not least the impossibility of ending Right-to-Work across many states - the Mexicans were skeptical as well.
I think Trudeau WANTS to flip to the PRC.
He and Freedland have antagonized Trump, hoping either he'd reject NAFTA renegotiations entirely and leave the status quo (gain for Trudeau) OR, give Trudeau and excuse to leave while blaming everything on Trump.
Good thing Trump isn't doing anything to alienate Canada.
Freeland and Trudeau, as I explained earlier, came into the NAFTA renegotiations with all kinds of SJW demands they knew would piss off Trump and be unacceptable generally. There was no way any Republican, not even Wimpy Jeb or Cucky Kasich, would accept any of those proposals, not least the impossibility of ending Right-to-Work across many states - the Mexicans were skeptical as well.
I think Trudeau WANTS to flip to the PRC.
He and Freedland have antagonized Trump, hoping either he'd reject NAFTA renegotiations entirely and leave the status quo (gain for Trudeau) OR, give Trudeau and excuse to leave while blaming everything on Trump.
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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 13, 4:57am
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I'm sure Joe Sixpack in Terre Haute, IN and Decatur, IL are ecstatic to hear that Trump is working to get the 1%er bank owners the ability to rape Canadians as well as Americans. Nothing says "populist" like fighting for Wall St. and Big Banks!
Frankly, Telecoms, Banking, and Media are more important than Diary.
I'm sure Joe Sixpack in Terre Haute, IN and Decatur, IL are ecstatic to hear that Trump is working to get the 1%er bank owners the ability to rape Canadians as well as Americans. Nothing says "populist" like fighting for Wall St. and Big Banks!
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bob2356
2018 Sep 13, 5:29am
Rocketmanjoe says
The answer is sort of. Canada has a 270% tariff on SOME dairy products after they reach a quota. Most categories that are subject to tariffs never reach the quota. Canada is the third largest market for US dairy exports after Mexico and SE Asia. Number 4 is china.
http://checkyourfact.com/2018/06/11/fact-check-canada-270-percent-tariff-dairy/
http://www.usdec.org/research-and-data/market-information/top-charts-x1507
Twoscoops doesn't need any stinking proof. It's the sjw internationalist world government deep state libruls fault. That is all that needs to be said.
I must have missed your proof that the US pays 300% tariffs on diary exported to Canada? Can you point me to it?
The answer is sort of. Canada has a 270% tariff on SOME dairy products after they reach a quota. Most categories that are subject to tariffs never reach the quota. Canada is the third largest market for US dairy exports after Mexico and SE Asia. Number 4 is china.
http://checkyourfact.com/2018/06/11/fact-check-canada-270-percent-tariff-dairy/
http://www.usdec.org/research-and-data/market-information/top-charts-x1507
Twoscoops doesn't need any stinking proof. It's the sjw internationalist world government deep state libruls fault. That is all that needs to be said.
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LastMan
2018 Sep 13, 5:29pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Now there's some paranoia. The real explanation is that their base loves the SJW stuff and Trudeau/Freeland thought they could use NAFTA to promote it. Not smart. Apparently this is enough in your world to alienate an ally and force Canada to shift its trade to other markets.
He and Freedland have antagonized Trump, hoping either he'd reject NAFTA renegotiations entirely and leave the status quo (gain for Trudeau) OR, give Trudeau and excuse to leave while blaming everything on Trump.
Now there's some paranoia. The real explanation is that their base loves the SJW stuff and Trudeau/Freeland thought they could use NAFTA to promote it. Not smart. Apparently this is enough in your world to alienate an ally and force Canada to shift its trade to other markets.
https://amp-realagriculture-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/amp.realagriculture.com/2018/02/u-s-dairy-subsidies-equal-73-percent-of-producer-returns-says-new-report/
Before Canada gives up supply management, Trump better commit to cancelling US subsidies. In fact, Canada should be considering tariffs on a wide array of US subsidized agricultural products to level the unfair playing field.