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I think it's not that simple. Let's take for example the latest "anti-racism", "anti-WP", "anti-SP" champion - that actress Anne Hathaway(sp?): by all accounts she's pretty successful, rich (world's highest-paid actress in 2015), straight, not a "minority" in any sense of the word, etc. So what's her reason? Maybe she has some loser friends?

Liberals are failures. They want the lowest denominator to be the new normal.

Aphroman says

I've been looking for the true underlying explanation for leftist accusations of racism,

Occams Razor: accusations of racism occur because of actual racism

Occams Razor: reports about UFO abducting people and mutilating cows occur because of actual alien space ships visiting Earth.

Patrick says

So what's her reason?

Why did actors and writers turn in their colleagues as suspected Communists during the McCarthy era witch hunt? Job security and career advancement. You also have to realize that a significant amount of the population are clueless as well as reward motivated, and as they lack the wherewithal to find their on way, will take orders from those in charge.

Aphroman says

That’s not the correct application for Occams Razor

Lol I was about to write the same thing.

Aphroman says

DASKAA says

Aphroman says

I've been looking for the true underlying explanation for leftist accusations of racism,

Occams Razor: accusations of racism occur because of actual racism

Occams Razor: reports about UFO abducting people and mutilating cows occur because of actual alien space ships visiting Earth.

That’s not the correct application for Occams Razor

Ditto.

Evan F. says

Aphroman says

That’s not the correct application for Occams Razor

Lol I was about to write the same thing.

How is it not? The idea that the simplest explanation is usually the best.

In the case of accusations of racism, you are saying the accusations occur because the racism exists (as the simplest explanation), and not the more complex issues involving politics, extortion opportunities, or excuses.

Your "Occam's Razor" call was was being parodied by DASKAA. Since stories about UFO abduction and cow mutilation also exist, the "simplest explanation" would be that the UFOs are real, rather than the complexities of nut cases, mushroom dreams, or fraudulent attempts at attention.

The core ideology of the left is equality of outcome regardless of effort or talent. That appeals to people who will not or cannot compete.

Nailed it.

HeadSet says

The core ideology of the left is equality of outcome regardless of effort or talent. That appeals to people who will not or cannot compete.

Nailed it.

Sad but true and it was tried and failed with the Soviets-will we have to go through decades of that crap too-or will the dems recede?

To some degree it is. But I think it's also that Democratic party elite (liberal elite as I call them), that's how they control everything.

In CA when I look around, liberal elite owns everything, and they know how to sucker people here too.

So true, many (mostly) insightful comments. Add in the era of grape-skinned whiny bitching without pushback and viola, current era explained.

Aphroman says

accusations of racism occur because of actual racism

Much like you demonstrated earlier today. I guess if Leftists can’t find any conservatives being racist, they’ll say some racist things just to get the ball rolling!

HeadSet says

racism exists

It's endemic to humanity just like greed, envy, lust or any of the other bad qualities. Any member of a minority who claims their particular tribe can't be racist because of this or that reason is just fooling themselves.

The answer imho is to set up a balance between rewards worth working for, and a safety net for those citizens who are having trouble for one reason or another but are still part of our country.

My mother started a travel agency and it did pretty well for a while. Then she got a brain tumor and simply could not keep it going (along with the fact that airlines were cutting commissions). So she was winning from her own efforts for a while, but lost the business through no fault of her own in the end. I was really grateful that she had Medicaid for the last few months of her life. Private insurance failed her. Yet she was pretty well taken care of by the "socialist" medical program which worked as intended.

We can and should argue about where the line between one's own earnings and government support should be drawn, but it's not either-or.

Patrick says

It is easier to blame exclusion than to admit your own failure

This is obviously true, for some specific people. But then there are literally millions of Black and Latino folks that agree with this 100%, while simultaneously also seeing racism out there (but not using it as an excuse).

There are those of us that are pretty balanced in our view. There are even a lot of republicans that agree with your statement here, but would never oversimplify the racism issue down to this, nor would they use the general term "leftists" in the way that you, CBOE and others do. There are many of us moderate democrats that more or less deplore identity politics, just as there are republicans that deplore racism in a way very different way than you do.

You never hear me generalizing that right wingers are racist ( although any thinking person knows that Trump doesn't get elected in 2016 without racism ).

Maybe thats what some on the far left are reacting to (not that it isn't stupid and only adding to the tribalism). These things aren't nearly as simple as many would make them.

You're right, I shouldn't generalize to "leftists". It's a convenient shorthand for the worst people on that side, but it is divisive.

I'll try to avoid that term and stick to specific issues.