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One question I never liked: "Abstract Art shouldn't be considered art."
That's really a matter of taste, ain't it? I mean you can be a flaming Marxist or a Reactionary Monarchist and agree to that one.

Maybe "Shitty PoMo Art shouldn't receive government subsidies"?

That being said:

I’m with TwoScoops, except a teensy bit more to the right and down a couple of blocks.

Quigley says

I’m with TwoScoops, except a teensy bit more to the right and down a couple of blocks.

I'm lower 2 squares and left 2 squares from TwoScoops.

Guess I'm not a hard right conservative after all.

Aphroman says

Good on you. Might be time to reconsider unquestioned loyalty for the Republicans

I've never voted for a GOP candidate ever. I voted Democrat for over a decade before Obama.

Maybe you should consider the damage the Democrat party is doing to the country and stop being so partisan. You do vote Democrat right?

socal2 says

"If all things are equal in terms of income, housing and education....

1) All things are never equal.
2) You omitted many variables, for example age and health, biology vs adoption (extended family, heritable traits), etc.

socal2 says

I think the answer is a no-brainer.

When someone uses the phrase "no brainer," it tends to mean the person is not actually thinking very deeply, and has barely engaged the brain at all. In other words, the speaker has overlooked many variables and subtleties in order to 'shoot from the hip' with a 'gut feeling' rather than thinking through the issue. Your previous comments on this topic show that your visual cortex (among probably other regions) seems to shut down. You should make more of an effort to think before forming (probably wrong) opinions about people's lives.

I think I was spot on if I base it on other comments here and their commenting history.

10# - fun thread.

curious2 says

1) All things are never equal.
2) You omitted many variables, for example age and health, biology vs adoption (extended family, heritable traits), etc.

Yes - include every possible variable you can imagine.

If they are considered equal to a State Adoption board, who should they adopt a child to? A gay or hetero couple?

It's a no-brainer.

CovfefeButDeadly says

What kind of asshole thinks a child is better off in CPS vs a loving home, even if those parents are same sex.

Stalin's Soviet Union/Adolf's Germany

socal2 says

It's a no-brainer.

Again you confess proudly your refusal to think. It seems to be some form of misguided virtue signaling, placing loyalty above reasoning. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

BTW, another variable you omitted: marriage. And another, in the case of older children: is the child straight or gay. You would place a gay child with an unmarried hetero couple instead of a married gay couple, even if the gay couple includes an aunt or uncle and thus maintains the connection to the extended family. Your brainless method would legally sever the ties between the child and his own extended family, place him with an unmarried couple, etc.

Here's a test for you: what if the gay couple are Christian with no criminal record, and the hetero couple are Satanists with a record of child abuse and endangerment? You stand brainlessly with the dangerously abusive Satanists, against the Christians. That is what comes of your insistence on thoughtless decisions.

Since first seeing this type of "quiz" at a Libertarian Party booth 25+ years ago, I've always fallen in the lower left quadrant, closer than not to centrist. Low-authoritarian leftist. It's amusing from this position, watching high-authoritarian right wingers whining about left wing ideas "being shoved down their throat" the second they have to take it instead of dish it out.

This was a well thought out quiz. The format has matured quite a lot.

Automan Empire says

Since first seeing this type of "quiz" at a Libertarian Party booth 25+ years ago, I've always fallen in the lower left quadrant, closer than not to centrist. Low-authoritarian leftist. It's amusing from this position, watching high-authoritarian right wingers whining about left wing ideas "being shoved down their throat" the second they have to take it instead of dish it out.

This was a well thought out quiz. The format has matured quite a lot.

No one has yet posted that they fall in that quadrant and I’d wager that no regular poster actually does.

So fantastic strawman ya got there buddy.

FWIW NONE of the ardent Democrats and socialists have posted their graph yet.

curious2 says

BTW, another variable you omitted:

I said include every possible variable you can think of. But keep adding variables if you want. How about a non-binary, gender fluid, gay kid with a two gender-queer and 1 transitioning parent?

curious2 says

You would place a gay child with an unmarried hetero couple instead of a married gay couple

I think you just gave the game away.

I think it is preferable (in fact a no-brainer) that straight heterosexual couple is preferable to raising straight kids than gay parents. Just as you seem to imply that it is preferable for gay parents to adopt gay children.

And since the population of gay couples who are in longterm monogamous relationships that want to adopt children is tiny (probably less than 1%) I think it is preferable in most (not all) cases to adopt to heterosexual couples all else being equal.

All else being equal, children benefit by learning from, interacting and observing parents of opposite sexes. My Mom gave me valuable perspective and life lessons that my father was not as well equipped to do and vice versa. Alot of poor and minority children would be doing alot better if they had Dad's in their lives instead of just a Mom and some Aunties.

But in the bonkers SJW crazy world of 2018, this type of thinking is considered wrong or even hateful.

socal2 says

a no-brainer

Again with that insistence on brainlessness.

socal2 says

you seem to imply

I did not intend to imply that, and I doubt whether it follows from what I said in reality (as opposed to what you imagined while insisting on not using your brain). I was listing some of the many variables you had not considered. You state explicitly that you have a brainless insistence on a particular rule, without considering the individual circumstances.

socal2 says

this type of thinking is....

oxymoronic. It is impossible to think without a brain.

socal2 says

(probably less than 1%) I think it is preferable

Each case represents a life. What is best in one case does not depend on what is most common elsewhere.

socal2 says

children benefit by learning from, interacting and observing parents of opposite sexes.

That goes also to the issue of extended family, which you omitted from your list of variables. You did include education, and most teachers provide opportunities for learning, interacting, and observing. I would add the social network of neighbors and friends, because kids tend to spend time in each other's family homes. It takes a village.

What are you even arguing curious2?

All I said, that in most cases with all things being equal, a State adoption agency should adopt a straight kid to heterosexual couple instead of a gay couple. All things being equal, a child benefits having both a male and female authority figure in their lives.

But as I said in my original post, I figured some of Patnet's resident SJW Libs would struggle over this no-brainer concept.

You did not disappoint!

socal2 says

What are you even arguing curious2?

Simply that your insistence on brainlessly applying a preference for hetero couples ignored many variables. You have now changed your own proposed rule to include more variables, so evidently the argument converted you into an "SJW Lib." Congratulations!

jazz_music says

that fantasize about cracking the whip over some who they imagine are vulnerable to it

Hey now, let's not mock the sordid past of the Democrat party.

CovfefeButDeadly says

No one has yet posted that they fall in that quadrant and I’d wager that no regular poster actually does.

So fantastic strawman ya got there buddy.

"No one has yet posted that they fall in that quadrant so when someone actually does I declare them a self-strawman and win my own wager."

Very interesting. So Curious, who I’ve considered to be a left/socialist leaning person, who I suspect probably mostly votes for Democrats but also probably vastly prefers someone like Bernie Sanders, has no problem posting his results. But then Curious has never aggressively advocated for Democrats.

But the hardcore dem supporters won’t post their results! Funny, my coworker who watches only MSNBC and CNN and literally despises President Trump....I showed him my chart and he proudly placed himself in the upper left corner of the upper left quadrant. I’m now fairly terrified of him, but I guess at least he owns it.

Automan Empire says

CovfefeButDeadly says

No one has yet posted that they fall in that quadrant and I’d wager that no regular poster actually does.

So fantastic strawman ya got there buddy.

"No one has yet posted that they fall in that quadrant so when someone actually does I declare them a self-strawman and win my own wager."

It likely won’t happen. As I’ve posted before, nearly every right leaning person who regularly posts on Pat.net has some libertarian leanings. The charts that have been posted so far have confirmed that.

CovfefeButDeadly says

It likely won’t happen

Actually, aphroman and wookie man and curious2 have posted their results which fall in that quadrant too. Just what is it you're trying your damnedest to not-see here?

I'd actually say the Trump Supporters on this board are fairly close to the center (less than 6 total pts) on both the Authoritarian-Libertarian and Left-Right axis

I'm curious to see the Trump Bashers' scores. So far, Aphroman leads with 9 pts from the center.

RC2006 says

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

I think we have done this before at sometime in the past.

I was more in the dead center before haven't moved that much over the years. Thought it would put me further right since my opinion of the left has changed so much the last half decade.

Here is mine

I scored very similar to you

So, with Socal and WineHorror, the Trump Supporter average even more closely approaches the dead center.

Aphroman says

Lol so now I’m a Trump basher? Odd, seeing as how i was one of the lone Trump supporters in December 2015, while most of the bandwagoneers were full fledge anti Trump back then.

Yes, you are. And you were a Bernie Bro, you just repeated that claim not too long ago.

Aphroman says

It’s not my fault that most Trump supporters are cucks, scared to be critical of Daddy.

When you try to steal words for "Muh Civility, let us lose again. May I have another, mistress?" NeverTrumpers it's sad.

I notice Dotard didn't get much adoption outside of Democratic Underground types and never took off.

Aphroman says

I am an anti Establishment guy. My main concern was kerping Hillary out of office. Trump began to lose me when it became apparent he was just like any other Republican

You mean all those other Republicans who raised Tariffs and spoke against NAFTA?

lol last time with a different, more pointed set of questions for a similar test I scored libertarian slight authoritarian & right. this time slight left. the thing is that there are zero SJW questions (like mandatory gender pronouns) in there. Most of these questions are not that controversial. This shows how far the rabid leftoids and Dems have gone. Left-leaning Libertarians support and vote for the Donald!

mell says

This shows how far the rabid leftoids and Dems have gone.

Pretty much my thinking, mine shows me center left, but with how much I cant stand them now you would think I was ultra right.

Aphroman says

Is socal a Trump supporter? I thought he was bigtime GOPe guy who railed against Trump for years??

I didn't vote for him, but will enthusiastically pull the lever for him in 2020 if he runs again.

Aphroman says

That’s a bizarre theory, but fits right in with the perpetual victim mentality of the Trump voters

People are confused and have lost their way, let’s just hope as they sober up, they’re not all bitter and vengeful at others for their own personal shortcomings.

It’s not going to be easy

No it explains how far the leftoids have gone. If this "quiz" would suddenly be the center of attention they would claim it is way to mellow and scoring people who are in reality literally Hitler too far on the left. They would also add "should illegal immigration be actually illegal?" and "should illegal immigration be allowed to be called illegal?" on the quiz, together with "should a person be punished if they don't adress a lgbtq123+++--- person by their preferred pronoun?" This quiz is as mellow as it gets and that's why Trump has so much support, the mellow middle has moved over into the Trump camp in order to defy the rabid left.

Aphroman says

RC2006 says

mell says

This shows how far the rabid leftoids and Dems have gone.

Pretty much my thinking, mine shows me center left, but with how much I cant stand them now you would think I was ultra right.

Turn off the tv. I haven’t watched tv pretty much my entire life, save for Price is Right and A-team on home sick from school days. And i watched almost every episode of Seinfield with my Grandma. I don’t understand why you guys subject yourselves to the manipulation, so much so that you seek that crap out.

If you turn it off and ignore it, it goes away

It's an explanation to why Trump is so popular. The people who are being manipulated are mostly on the left and on the far right. The middle is usually better at not being manipulated and they currently have cast their vote.

Aphroman says

I seem to recall you begging for Elizabeth Warren to run, lol. I definitely remember a fairly liberal thinderlips who was no fan of the GOPe. Until he was

I was anti-Hillary. In fact, I started the "Coalition to stop Hillary" thread on this very board. Anybody was better than Hillary. My thinking on Pocahontas has changed though, like the rest of her party she's lost interest in Financial Regulation, loves Outsourcing Globalists, loves Extreme Illegal Immigration, and has become a #MeToo Victim and proponent of Anti-American Identity Politics.

Trump isn't the GOPe, he's ruined the GOPe. There is no more GOPe except a few die-hard NeverTrumpers like George Will, Rubin, Kristol, and Rick Wilson. The last major NeverTrumper with any Power just died. Flake retires in the next few weeks.

Lindsay Graham losing his temper at the Kavanaugh Hearings, and McConnell's new Balls, and Ryan resigning, are all signs of this.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have fully embraced Identity Politics Victimization and are now the party of Kiss Bezos Ass while demonizing Males and Whites.

Aphroman says

Turn off the tv.

I cut out cable TV years ago just netflix and streaming.

Aphroman says

Turn off the tv.

Pretty sure most of the Trump contingent on this board is anti-TV. I don't watch any Television, period.

Aphroman says

Do you think it’s healthy to be so immersed in propaganda about leftoids?

Take me for example. I don’t buy into the nonsense. I’m impenetrable when it comes to propaganda, so the only time leftoids and SJWs exist is when i hear Trumpcucks going on about yhem 24/7. Willingly being distracted while the Government is fucking us dry.

Men go mad in droves, they only return to their senses slowly, one by one

It depends, if your life is affected you have to and will care. It's easy to say for those that haven't suffered under the consequences, I know plenty of people that have. There are prominent case as well such as Jordan Peterson, Brendan Eich etc.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Aphroman says

I seem to recall you begging for Elizabeth Warren to run, lol. I definitely remember a fairly liberal thinderlips who was no fan of the GOPe. Until he was

Trump isn't the GOPe, he's ruined the GOPe. There is no more GOPe.

Lindsay Graham losing his temper at the Kavanaugh Hearings, and McConnell's new Balls, and Ryan resigning, are all signs of this.

Agreed Trump made the Gop somewhat great again. More work to do.

Aphroman says

Thinderlips was always pretty liberal, but rightfully became butter over the idea of Hillary representing Liberals, do now he will rationalize anything and everything Trump does to keep from having to levy any honest criticism

Bonk. What has been one of my top causes from day 1 on this board?

The bullshit one-sided "Free Trade", H1-B Anti-American Worker Wage Crushing, and Globalists Generally.

There were two guys who were against those things in 2016. One had the nomination stolen from him by the DEMe. Trump slapped Hillary shitless, and exceeded all my expectations.

I used to bitch that neither party was for the American System of tariffs and infrastructure investment. Now I have a guy who, for the first time in my adult life, is willing to Tariff the fuck out of unfair lopsided trade.

Bernie isn't even really a Democrat, but an Independent who switched in 2015 to run as a Democrat. The rest of the Democratic party loves to crush wages, loves outsourcing, and wants to mandate Gender and Racial Quotas at private companies by Government Fiat.

Aphroman says

mell says

Aphroman says

Do you think it’s healthy to be so immersed in propaganda about leftoids?

Take me for example. I don’t buy into the nonsense. I’m impenetrable when it comes to propaganda, so the only time leftoids and SJWs exist is when i hear Trumpcucks going on about yhem 24/7. Willingly being distracted while the Government is fucking us dry.

Men go mad in droves, they only return to their senses slowly, one by one

It depends, if your life is affected you have to and will care. It's easy to say for those that haven't suffered under the consequences, I know plenty of people that have. There are prominent case as well such as Jordan Peterson, Brendan Eich etc.

Jordan Peterson is a fucking Canadian!

Who gives a fuck about anyone outside of America wrt American politics?

There are plenty of Americans - that's why it's an example. Trump supporters don't like everything about Trump, but given the alternatives he resonates well with them. And he's picking up votes maybe he will get the popular vote 2020.

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