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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:47pm
Strategist says
Nonsense. We've made no real progress on any of those fronts. Please detail any concrete gains.
Making unprecedented progress on:
NK
Iran
Islam
Israel/Mid East
China trade
NAFTA trade
European trade
Nonsense. We've made no real progress on any of those fronts. Please detail any concrete gains.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:49pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:49pm
LeonDurham says
Read the stats. The August numbers were estimated to be $500 B and came in at $300 B. Given this type of fluctuation it is not at all unrealistic to give a back if the envelope figure of $500B.
Regardless if you cant even post what Trump said then I'll assume you are simply refusing to acknowledge nuance.
Try harder, offer the actual support of your critiques and maybe someone would agree w you.
It's off by about 40%. If you consider that "not far off", then Trump is definitely your guy.
Read the stats. The August numbers were estimated to be $500 B and came in at $300 B. Given this type of fluctuation it is not at all unrealistic to give a back if the envelope figure of $500B.
Regardless if you cant even post what Trump said then I'll assume you are simply refusing to acknowledge nuance.
Try harder, offer the actual support of your critiques and maybe someone would agree w you.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:51pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:51pm
LeonDurham says
Better trade deals around the globe. A compliant NKA. China actually respecting us and negotiating its tariffs is huge.
So, what have been the results of his negotiation skills so far? What are his accomplishments?
Better trade deals around the globe. A compliant NKA. China actually respecting us and negotiating its tariffs is huge.
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Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 2:54pm
Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 2:54pm
LeonDurham says
Here is a sample:
Sanctions on Iran to ensure a permanent and verifiable end to 100% of their nuclear program. Anything else will only result on them getting nukes like NK did.
Strategist says
Making unprecedented progress on:
NK
Iran
Islam
Israel/Mid East
China trade
NAFTA trade
European trade
Nonsense. We've made no real progress on any of those fronts. Please detail any concrete gains.
Here is a sample:
Sanctions on Iran to ensure a permanent and verifiable end to 100% of their nuclear program. Anything else will only result on them getting nukes like NK did.
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marcus
2018 Oct 7, 2:54pm
marcus
2018 Oct 7, 2:54pm
CBOEtrader says
As if a hard core Trump cuck, or hyper libertarian, is ever going to agree with a middle of the road reality based person ?
Try harder, offer the actual support of your critiques and maybe someone would agree w you.
As if a hard core Trump cuck, or hyper libertarian, is ever going to agree with a middle of the road reality based person ?
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:55pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:55pm
marcus says
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hawaii_false_missile_alert
The left was all too keen to blame collective fear on Trump back when they thought missiles could be launched.
Trump ended that threat and SoKo Moon suggested he earned a peace prize for his efforts. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-trump/south-korea-president-says-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN1I10OD
Do you think your opinion about Korea is more authoritative than Pres Moons?
But you really think the threats were real, and not just trash talk ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hawaii_false_missile_alert
The left was all too keen to blame collective fear on Trump back when they thought missiles could be launched.
Trump ended that threat and SoKo Moon suggested he earned a peace prize for his efforts. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-trump/south-korea-president-says-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN1I10OD
Do you think your opinion about Korea is more authoritative than Pres Moons?
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:55pm
Strategist says
So what has that accomplished?? We've had sanctions on Iran for decades. Why are we going to get a different result this time??
Here is a sample:
Sanctions on Iran to ensure a permanent and verifiable end to 100% of their nuclear program. Anything else will only result on them getting nukes like NK did.
So what has that accomplished?? We've had sanctions on Iran for decades. Why are we going to get a different result this time??
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:56pm
CBOEtrader says
OK--show me the better deals and how they are improvements.
Better trade deals around the globe. A compliant NKA. China actually respecting us and negotiating its tariffs is huge.
OK--show me the better deals and how they are improvements.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:58pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:58pm
marcus says
Trump is middle of the road. Hes a centrist pragmatist more than any president in our lifetime.
It's the R's and D's, the globalist never trumpers who are the extremists.
As if a hard core Trump cuck, or hyper libertarian, is ever going to agree with a middle of the road reality based person ?
Trump is middle of the road. Hes a centrist pragmatist more than any president in our lifetime.
It's the R's and D's, the globalist never trumpers who are the extremists.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:58pm
CBOEtrader says
Nope. Try again. The August numbers prorated to a yearly deficit of $500MM. If Trump doesn't know the difference between 300 and 500, then he's even dumber than I thought.
Read the stats. The August numbers were estimated to be $500 B and came in at $300 B. Given this type of fluctuation it is not at all unrealistic to give a back if the envelope figure of $500B.
Nope. Try again. The August numbers prorated to a yearly deficit of $500MM. If Trump doesn't know the difference between 300 and 500, then he's even dumber than I thought.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:59pm
CBOEtrader says
I posted it for God's sake. What the hell are you talking about??
Regardless if you cant even post what Trump said then I'll assume you are simply refusing to acknowledge nuance.
I posted it for God's sake. What the hell are you talking about??
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Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 3:01pm
Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 3:01pm
LeonDurham says
All the more reason to do something about it.
CBOEtrader saysRead the stats. The August numbers were estimated to be $500 B and came in at $300 B. Given this type of fluctuation it is not at all unrealistic to give a back if the envelope figure of $500B.
Nope. Try again. The August numbers prorated to a yearly deficit of $500MM.
All the more reason to do something about it.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 3:05pm
Strategist says
By all means. And it's easier when you (Trump) don't lie about it.
All the more reason to do something about it.
By all means. And it's easier when you (Trump) don't lie about it.
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Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 3:27pm
Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 3:27pm
LeonDurham says
Why would Trump "lie" about this?
Strategist saysAll the more reason to do something about it.
By all means. And it's easier when you (Trump) don't lie about it.
Why would Trump "lie" about this?
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 4:43pm
Strategist says
Only God knows. Why did he lie about the size of the inauguration crowd? Why did he call into National Enquirer pretending to be someone else?
Why would Trump "lie" about this?
Only God knows. Why did he lie about the size of the inauguration crowd? Why did he call into National Enquirer pretending to be someone else?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 7, 4:49pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 7, 4:49pm
I just want to thank Senator Collins and other White Women for insuring that the Assumption of Innocence remains a Societal Ideal, despite pressure groups to end it in the name of Identity Politics.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 4:50pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
A job interview is different from a trial.
I just want to thank Senator Collins and other White Women for insuring that the Assumption of Innocence remains a Societal Ideal, despite pressure groups to end it in the name of Identity Politics.
A job interview is different from a trial.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 7, 4:53pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 7, 4:53pm
LeonDurham says
I said Societal Ideal, not confined to Courts.
It would be a Kafka-esque terror state where unevidenced accusations could prevent somebody from reaching the pinnacle of their profession. To reject the flawed accustaion was the moderate, skeptical, considered view.
Good thing the Enlightenment views still hold sway over cynical Post Modernism.
A job interview is different from a trial.
I said Societal Ideal, not confined to Courts.
It would be a Kafka-esque terror state where unevidenced accusations could prevent somebody from reaching the pinnacle of their profession. To reject the flawed accustaion was the moderate, skeptical, considered view.
Good thing the Enlightenment views still hold sway over cynical Post Modernism.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 4:57pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
lol--I don't think job interviews ever have a presumption of innocence. It's not a trial.
I said Societal Ideal, not confined to Courts.
lol--I don't think job interviews ever have a presumption of innocence. It's not a trial.
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mell
2018 Oct 7, 5:00pm
LeonDurham says
Biggest bullshit argument ever. Same standard applies everywhere. There's libel and slander laws for good reasons. If the Ford case continues to fall apart like this she should be sued, maybe even trialed.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce saysI just want to thank Senator Collins and other White Women for insuring that the Assumption of Innocence remains a Societal Ideal, despite pressure groups to end it in the name of Identity Politics.
A job interview is different from a trial.
Biggest bullshit argument ever. Same standard applies everywhere. There's libel and slander laws for good reasons. If the Ford case continues to fall apart like this she should be sued, maybe even trialed.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 5:09pm
mell says
Give me a break. There is libel and slander for good reason. Kavanaugh has every right to sue any of his accusers. Why isn't he doing so??
There is NO such standard in a job interview. You can hire or not hire someone based on any evidence. There is absolutely NO burden of proof guiding someone's decision about whether or not to hire someone.
Please stop posting BS.
Biggest bullshit argument ever. Same standard applies everywhere. There's libel and slander laws for good reasons. If the Ford case continues to fall apart like this she should be sued, maybe even trialed.
Give me a break. There is libel and slander for good reason. Kavanaugh has every right to sue any of his accusers. Why isn't he doing so??
There is NO such standard in a job interview. You can hire or not hire someone based on any evidence. There is absolutely NO burden of proof guiding someone's decision about whether or not to hire someone.
Please stop posting BS.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 7, 5:32pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 7, 5:32pm
LeonDurham says
Senators have a responsibility to uphold standards of societal decency. This means rejecting vague, unbacked accusations against an appointee.
Funny how accusers will volunteer therapist notes to the Washington Post to create the awareness of the accusation, but not to Senators or the FBI to judge the accusation.
The kind of irresponsible behavior we witnessed over the past weeks is why the Democrats will be kept from power.
There is NO such standard in a job interview. You can hire or not hire someone based on any evidence. There is absolutely NO burden of proof guiding someone's decision about whether or not to hire someone.
Senators have a responsibility to uphold standards of societal decency. This means rejecting vague, unbacked accusations against an appointee.
Funny how accusers will volunteer therapist notes to the Washington Post to create the awareness of the accusation, but not to Senators or the FBI to judge the accusation.
The kind of irresponsible behavior we witnessed over the past weeks is why the Democrats will be kept from power.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 6:30pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
lol--do you follow politics? The standards of societal decency were abandoned long ago in the Senate.
Senators have a responsibility to uphold standards of societal decency
lol--do you follow politics? The standards of societal decency were abandoned long ago in the Senate.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 6:34pm
In any event--if a businessman was looking to hire an office manager and 3 people came forward to tell him that the candidate had assaulted them, I guarantee 99% of owners would not hire the candidate,
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 7, 6:57pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 7, 6:57pm
LeonDurham says
1. It's unlikely three people are going to show up to a 50 year old office manager's interview and tell the businessman that he groped them at a HS Party 35 years ago.
2. This isn't an Office Manager, it's a Supreme Court Judge, and it's highly politicized, which calls for extra skepticism about last minute, ancient, unverifiable accusations.
In any event--if a businessman was looking to hire an office manager and 3 people came forward to tell him that the candidate had assaulted them, I guarantee 99% of owners would not hire the candidate,
1. It's unlikely three people are going to show up to a 50 year old office manager's interview and tell the businessman that he groped them at a HS Party 35 years ago.
2. This isn't an Office Manager, it's a Supreme Court Judge, and it's highly politicized, which calls for extra skepticism about last minute, ancient, unverifiable accusations.
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rdm
2018 Oct 7, 7:30pm
CBOEtrader says
These statements are absurd, particularly for a poster demanding backup for any assertions that reflect negatively on Trump. I have seen no real evidence that Kim is dismantling his nukes, or intends to do so, which is the base demand. I have heard a lot of posturing and bloviating on the subject. A time table for this was just blown off by Pompeo, we have no verification process there is nothing to verify as no agreement has been signed. Now when the Pres. falls in love with this mass murdering dictator who starves his own people, as he said he did, I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about the likelihood that this will end well, for Trump will fall out of love and act like the whiny little bitch he is, with a vast military. That Trump has ratcheted down the rhetoric that he/they ratcheted up with Kim is positive but a compliant NK that is a joke.
China respecting us, wow China respects nobody that is not Chinese, they will eat Trump's lunch on Trade. It may seem like we hold the upper hand, but with the retards he has on his negotiating team any apparent advantage will evaporate. We got a few concessions out of Canada and Mexico but the basic NAFTA frame work was unchanged, I will give him credit for a small win against very weak adversaries, China is a whole nother ball of wax. I hope he proves me wrong.
A compliant NKA. China actually respecting us and negotiating its tariffs is huge.
These statements are absurd, particularly for a poster demanding backup for any assertions that reflect negatively on Trump. I have seen no real evidence that Kim is dismantling his nukes, or intends to do so, which is the base demand. I have heard a lot of posturing and bloviating on the subject. A time table for this was just blown off by Pompeo, we have no verification process there is nothing to verify as no agreement has been signed. Now when the Pres. falls in love with this mass murdering dictator who starves his own people, as he said he did, I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about the likelihood that this will end well, for Trump will fall out of love and act like the whiny little bitch he is, with a vast military. That Trump has ratcheted down the rhetoric that he/they ratcheted up with Kim is positive but a compliant NK that is a joke.
China respecting us, wow China respects nobody that is not Chinese, they will eat Trump's lunch on Trade. It may seem like we hold the upper hand, but with the retards he has on his negotiating team any apparent advantage will evaporate. We got a few concessions out of Canada and Mexico but the basic NAFTA frame work was unchanged, I will give him credit for a small win against very weak adversaries, China is a whole nother ball of wax. I hope he proves me wrong.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 7:31pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Yes, it's unlikely. No, an office manager isn't a Supreme Court Judge.
The point remains, however. Nobody is going to hire a 3 time accused candidate--societal decency be damned.
1. It's unlikely three people are going to show up to a 50 year old office manager's interview and tell the businessman that he groped them at a HS Party 35 years ago.
2. This isn't an Office Manager, it's a Supreme Court Judge, and it's highly politicized, which calls for extra skepticism about last minute, ancient, unverifiable accusations.
Yes, it's unlikely. No, an office manager isn't a Supreme Court Judge.
The point remains, however. Nobody is going to hire a 3 time accused candidate--societal decency be damned.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 7:38pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 7:38pm
LeonDurham says
Wait until the investigation into the leaking is over. He may still sue.
Why isn't he doing so??
Wait until the investigation into the leaking is over. He may still sue.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 7:39pm
CBOEtrader says
I'm sure. Just like all the people Trump was going to sue...
Wait until the investigation into the leaking is over. He may still sue.
I'm sure. Just like all the people Trump was going to sue...
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 7:42pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 7:42pm
LeonDurham says
Yeah you don't get $1million cash control over the SCOTUS for faking an allegation against a $50k/yr office manager.
The democrats havent sworn $billions of capital against #resist of the $50k/yr office manager.
With the facts coming out, only a biased fool can still pretend this entire story wasnt fabricated for political control.
Anyone still pretending Ford's accusation is "credible"? Haha
In any event--if a businessman was looking to hire an office manager and 3 people came forward to tell him that the candidate had assaulted them, I guarantee 99% of owners would not hire the candidate,
Yeah you don't get $1million cash control over the SCOTUS for faking an allegation against a $50k/yr office manager.
The democrats havent sworn $billions of capital against #resist of the $50k/yr office manager.
With the facts coming out, only a biased fool can still pretend this entire story wasnt fabricated for political control.
Anyone still pretending Ford's accusation is "credible"? Haha
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 7:43pm
CBOEtrader says
Is anyone pretending it's not credible? Trump said credible. Pretty much the entire US Senate said credible.
Can you point out someone who said not credible?
Anyone still pretending Ford's accusation is "credible"? Haha
Is anyone pretending it's not credible? Trump said credible. Pretty much the entire US Senate said credible.
Can you point out someone who said not credible?
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 7:45pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 7:45pm
rdm says
Have you seen any evidence ok Kim threatening to blow up Hawaii? Compare this winter this last year and tell me Kim isnt compliant. GTFO if you cant appreciate how much safer Trump has made the world
I have seen no real evidence that Kim is dismantling his nukes, or intends to do so, which is the base demand.
Have you seen any evidence ok Kim threatening to blow up Hawaii? Compare this winter this last year and tell me Kim isnt compliant. GTFO if you cant appreciate how much safer Trump has made the world
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 7:46pm
CBOEtrader says
lol--so Trump's accomplishment is giving up wargames in Korea in return for Kim not making blowhard statements about blowing up Hawaii?
Art of the Deal, indeed.
Have you seen any evidence ok Kim threatening to blow up Hawaii? Compare this winter this last year and tell me Kim isnt compliant. GTFO if you cant appreciate how much safer Trump has made the world
lol--so Trump's accomplishment is giving up wargames in Korea in return for Kim not making blowhard statements about blowing up Hawaii?
Art of the Deal, indeed.
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Shaman
2018 Oct 7, 7:48pm
Shaman
2018 Oct 7, 7:48pm
“If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.”
Deuteronomy 19:16-20 KJV
Falsely accusing people is a crime that used to be punished with the same sentence that would have been imposed on the accused.
It still should be.
We’d see a lot fewer malicious acts of allegation.
Deuteronomy 19:16-20 KJV
Falsely accusing people is a crime that used to be punished with the same sentence that would have been imposed on the accused.
It still should be.
We’d see a lot fewer malicious acts of allegation.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 7:48pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 7:48pm
LeonDurham says
Everyone who has seen the most recent evidence, including the sex investigators professional analysis and the FBI report. Not to mention the results of the pending investigation of Fords DNC handlers.
How many times do you have to be wrong before realizing your reality is a lie?
Can you point out someone who said not credible?
Everyone who has seen the most recent evidence, including the sex investigators professional analysis and the FBI report. Not to mention the results of the pending investigation of Fords DNC handlers.
How many times do you have to be wrong before realizing your reality is a lie?
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 7:49pm
CBOEtrader says
OK can you show me a quote then?
CBOEtrader says
If you can get to 1, then I'll evaluate.
Everyone who has seen the most recent evidence, including the sex investigators professional analysis and the FBI report
OK can you show me a quote then?
CBOEtrader says
How many times do you have to be wrong before realizing your reality is a lie?
If you can get to 1, then I'll evaluate.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 7:52pm
https://ktla.com/2018/09/28/trump-stands-by-kavanaugh-nomination-but-says-he-found-ford-very-credible-as-fbi-probe-is-ordered/
"The president told reporters that Christine Blasey Ford "was a very credible witness" but also that Kavanaugh's own testimony on Thursday before the Senate Judiciary Committee was "an incredible moment."
Even Fox News called her credible FFS
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6216025/Fox-News-says-Dr-Christine-Blasey-Ford-credible-testimony-disaster-Republicans.html
"The president told reporters that Christine Blasey Ford "was a very credible witness" but also that Kavanaugh's own testimony on Thursday before the Senate Judiciary Committee was "an incredible moment."
Even Fox News called her credible FFS
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6216025/Fox-News-says-Dr-Christine-Blasey-Ford-credible-testimony-disaster-Republicans.html
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2018 Oct 7, 7:53pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2018 Oct 7, 7:53pm
The only thing left has against Trump is that he "says mean things". He's a straight shooter, I'll give him that, not a PC type. Left needs someone to tell them they are special every day in every way.
On flip side, he gets everything done. Economy booming, taxes lowered, man knows how to get it going.
On flip side, he gets everything done. Economy booming, taxes lowered, man knows how to get it going.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2018 Oct 7, 7:55pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2018 Oct 7, 7:55pm
LeonDurham says
Enjoy the whole thing, report is right on the page too.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judiciary-committee-releases-executive-summary-of-supplemental-fbi-report-on-kavanaugh
OK can you show me a quote then?
Enjoy the whole thing, report is right on the page too.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judiciary-committee-releases-executive-summary-of-supplemental-fbi-report-on-kavanaugh
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