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WookieMan says

HeadSet says

Both pics are disgusting. No US president should bow for anyone, not the Queen, not ever. This also goes for W when he held hands while walking with the Saudi monarch. The US president is light years above any world leader both in power and prestige. Even then, we do not require anyone to bow to our leader either.

THIS. It's called a fucking handshake and move on.

Lol, just thought of this. I'm going to create a religion where it's required for only attractive women to give me a blowjob upon meeting me. Jesus, these formalities and customs are absolute garbage.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

1. This kind of shit has been going on forever in the House of Saud, it's just the first time the US Establishment is reporting it, with belated, coincidental timing.

Really? Want to post all the times saudi's killed someone in their embassy in another country? Oh wait. allegedly killed. Actually he was abducted by aliens using special alien cloaking devices to take him out without cameras recording it. ROFLOL.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

2c. And Alaweed bin Talal

You never said how many community organizers Talal sent to harvard law for islamic studies other than obama.. ROFLOLx2

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

If you shot John Pilger or Ken Livingstone or Michael Moore, you're not killing a Journalist, you're killing a Shill

You forgot Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly. on your shill list. RFLOLx3


Pretty impressive that Trump sent the sec of state to KSA to help them get their stories straight or at least come up with a story that the Trump could claim was plausible to try to preserve the fiction of the new and improved KSA. The entire world will be laughing their asses off of course, but at least it will be a cover story. .

WookieMan says

Lol, just thought of this. I'm going to create a religion where it's required for only attractive women to give me a blowjob upon meeting me.

Trump beat you to it.

WookieMan says

I'm going to create a religion where it's required for only attractive women to give me a blowjob upon meeting me.

You may need help handling an unlimited number of blowjobs. I'm quite sure every Patnetter would be willing to lend a hand. uuhhh make that a penis.

We can cut ties with the Saudis after 1. they run out of oil 2. we use natural gas as a substitute for oil 3. Iran self-destructs 4. Israel relocates to a safer region of the world

Since we got rid of Saddam, we need a presence in that area to check Iran because they threaten our ally Israel. This is an unexpected consequence of our Iraq adventure.

I'm fairly sure that Pres. Trump would rather be thinking about other things than Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq.

We have a lot of foreign "entanglements" which President Washington warned against a long time ago.

I don't know the answer, but I wonder what that dead journalist was doing to bother someone enough to kill him.

I have no desire to ever visit that part of the world and never will.

Aphroman says

The answer is simple. Let Israel fend for herself

I agree, with the caveat that we also don’t interfere with whatever they do to defend themselves. If they permanently excise the Palestinians from their country, we stand back! If they respond to Arab aggression by taking control of Syria or whatever, ok! And if they can’t hack it and get eliminated then we also stand back. But enough of these half measures that keep the region on a slow boil. Israel either needs to prove itself the baddest kid in the sandbox or it needs to get booted out. No more hamstringing the Israelis with UN edicts that keep a few million hostiles within their borders.

bob2356 says

Really? Want to post all the times saudi's killed someone in their embassy in another country?

How about the 3,000 they killed in downtown New York Bob? Besides, I'd argue the Saudis killed this guy more carefully than Putin spreading radioactive poison all over Europe or even the US droning suspects from 20,000 feet.

You've been rightfully critical about the Saudi Wahabbi Islamist for years on this site. Why are you bent that Saudi Arabia took out a Wahabbi?

Or do you think Kashoggi was a liberal/secular reformer? I am willing to believe, but everything I have read about him suggests he was just another smooth talking Islamist radical that has duped so many in the West on both the Left and Right.

Strategist says

WookieMan says

I'm going to create a religion where it's required for only attractive women to give me a blowjob upon meeting me.

You may need help handling an unlimited number of blowjobs. I'm quite sure every Patnetter would be willing to lend a hand. uuhhh make that a penis.

Reverend Moon may have beat you to it, with his "right of first night" for brides that marry in his church.

Islam is cancer. The Saudis are evil but serve as a good barrier against the Iranians.

Aphroman says

MBS? Obviously

Maybe - but we have seen more reforms in Saudi Arabia in the last year than we have seen in decades. Let alone a rapprochement with Israel. I know it is a very low bar. I think cozying up to Israel is what pisses the likes of Kashoggi and the Iranians off the most.

Goran_K says

Islam is cancer. The Saudis are evil but serve as a good barrier against the Iranians.

That's like the fire being a barrier to the frying pan.

bob2356 says

Really? Want to post all the times saudi's killed someone in their embassy in another country? Oh wait. allegedly killed. Actually he was abducted by aliens using special alien cloaking devices to take him out without cameras recording it. ROFLOL.

Saudi Arabia never assassinated anybody until now? ROTFL. And in those previous incidents, the Media focused on it and it made front page news for weeks? LOL!

bob2356 says

You never said how many community organizers Talal sent to harvard law for islamic studies other than obama.. ROFLOLx2

Several.

bob2356 says

You forgot Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly. on your shill list. RFLOLx3

They don't get hired by the Democracy Dies in Our Deep State Washington Post. ROTFLx3!

bob2356 says

Pretty impressive that Trump sent the sec of state to KSA to help them get their stories straight or at least come up with a story that the Trump could claim was plausible to try to preserve the fiction of the new and improved KSA. The entire world will be laughing their asses off of course, but at least it will be a cover story. .

Did your source at the State Department clue you in?

I'm glad Saudi Arabia took care of a dangerous terrorist sympathizer before he could do yet more harm.

Anybody remember this story? It was barely covered. Here's an article from ABC Australia, since US Coverage was scanty:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-29/sparrow-blind-eye-to-saudi-arabias-brutality/6813422

The charges were using his blackberry to Protest during the Arab Spring . He claimed to be tortured in the infamous

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%60Ulaysha_Prison

He would have been 16-17 years oldwhen picked up for Protesting in 2011-2012. King Salman ordered CRUCIFIXION and BEHEADING. The sentence was believed to have been carried out February 2016.

Anybody remember the Media running this story front and center for weeks? What sanctions did Obama impose?

Here's another conundrum:

Iran has been murdering gays and dissenters for years and years.

How did Obama deal with it? By removing sanctions and releasing the Shah's cash into their hands, yes?

socal2 says

bob2356 says

Really? Want to post all the times saudi's killed someone in their embassy in another country?

How about the 3,000 they killed in downtown New York Bob? Besides, I'd argue the Saudis killed this guy more carefully than Putin spreading radioactive poison all over Europe or even the US droning suspects from 20,000 feet.

You've been rightfully critical about the Saudi Wahabbi Islamist for years on this site. Why are you bent that Saudi Arabia took out a Wahabbi?

Where am I bent the saudi's took at a wahabbi? I'm bent the saudi apologists starting with two scoops up to and including trump are still trying to sell the new improved KSA bullshit when they just proved they are worse than ever. I don't think any country ever had the balls to brazenly kill someone inside one of their embassies before.

I notice the kinder gentler KSA hasn't stopped funding radical imans or madras schools (aka terrorist recruitment and training centers) all around the world. All the radical islamic terrorist attacks around the world lead right back to the KSA. So hey, let's goad our way into war with Iran because they are bad people. WTF?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Saudi Arabia never assassinated anybody until now? ROTFL

Like who did they assassinate in their embassy over seas? Names are lacking. You don't think the first time any country has done something so bold and stupid is news worthy?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

bob2356 says

You never said how many community organizers Talal sent to harvard law for islamic studies other than obama.. ROFLOLx2

Several.

Like who? The names are lacking. You seem to be having trouble with this.

bob2356 says

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Saudi Arabia never assassinated anybody until now? ROTFL

Like who did they assassinate in their embassy over seas? Names are lacking. You don't think the first time any country has done something so bold and stupid is news worthy?

No, it's not newsworthy. It would be newsworthy if Islam stopped killing.

bob2356 says

Like who? The names are lacking. You seem to be having trouble with this.

Before I answer, can you explain why Iran was rewarded for executing gays and protesters with the Iran Deal?

Because you and tatupu seem to not want to explain this.

Why we need to have MbS - the only Saudi Ruler who has actually passed concrete liberal reforms - removed over a potential assassination, but we need to keep the Iran Deal with the Murderous Mullahs who imprison, torture, and execute countless people every year?

bob2356 says

I notice the kinder gentler KSA hasn't stopped funding radical imans or madras schools (aka terrorist recruitment and training centers) all around the world.

You know this for sure?

‘We Misled You’: How the Saudis Are Coming Clean on Funding Terrorism"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/saudi-arabia-terrorism-funding-214241

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Throw Khashoggi down the well.

So it is ok to kill him because you love trump?

personal

gsr says

So it is ok to kill him because you love trump?

Go read my posts. I explained who Khashoggi is and what groups and people he's affiliated with.

Did you support the Iran Deal? Did Iran stop torturing, imprisoning, and executing Gays and Protesters before and / or after it?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Before I answer, can you explain why Iran was rewarded for executing gays and protesters with the Iran Deal?

Because you and tatupu seem to not want to explain this.

Why we need to have MbS - the only Saudi Ruler who has actually passed concrete liberal reforms - removed over a potential assassination, but we need to keep the Iran Deal with the Murderous Mullahs who imprison, torture, and execute countless people every year?

ROFLOL. Now that's really funny shit. Rewarded for killing gays and protesters? Like decapitation and subsequent public crucifixion of Ahmed bin ‘Adhaib bin ‘Askar al-Shamlani al-‘Anzi, for homosexuality? Oh shit that was in Riyadh, never mind. What a fucking joke. KSA gets rewarded every day by the USofA for executing gays and protesters using your "logic" .

I still waiting for the list of names. But I'm sure you will get it to me before the sun goes supernova. Maybe.

socal2 says

‘We Misled You’: How the Saudis Are Coming Clean on Funding Terrorism"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/saudi-arabia-terrorism-funding-214241

I missed the part of the article that says what KSA DID about their sponsorship of terrorism around the world. Both officially as a government and private money. It's noticeably absent. So the saudi's now openly admit to fostering terrorism against the US and the rest of the west for decades. Nice. With friends like these who needs enemies? But hey they are now the new kindlier gentler KSA. They feel bad about it and some day they will consider doing something about it. Maybe.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45909732

Police in Turkey investigating the alleged killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi have expanded their search.

Unnamed Turkish officials say his body may have been disposed of in the nearby Belgrad forest or on farmland.

Mr Khashoggi disappeared after entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October, where Turkish officials allege he was murdered.

Saudi Arabia denies any knowledge of what happened to him.

Samples taken from the Saudi consulate and the consul's residence during searches this week are being tested for a match with Mr Khashoggi's DNA.

The latest reported searches - Belgrad forest and an area in the city of Yalova - took place after suspicion was raised over the movements taken by Saudi diplomatic vehicles at the time of Mr Khashoggi's disappearance, officials said.

The major French daily Le Figaro on Thursday published a bombshell story which reports the Saudi royal family is actively considering a replacement to crown prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) as next in line to succeed his father King Salman as the kingdom finds itself under the greatest international pressure and scrutiny it's faced in its modern history over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi — widely believed to have been killed on orders of MbS himself.

The Li Figaro report's unnamed diplomatic source says the Allegiance Council, which is historically the body responsible for approving the order of succession to the throne, is currently meeting in secret (translation from the French):

For several days, the Allegiance Council for the ruling Saudi family is meeting in the utmost discretion, says a diplomatic source to Le Figaro in Paris. The information has been confirmed by a Saudi Arabian contacted in Riyadh. Composed of a delegate representing each of the clans — at least seven — of the royal family, this body, responsible for inheritance problems, examines the situation created by the disappearance, still unresolved, more than a fortnight ago, of the journalist dissident Jamal Khashoggi at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-19/saudi-allegiance-council-meeting-secret-consider-mbs-replacement-report

Patrick says

The major French daily Le Figaro on Thursday published a bombshell story which reports the Saudi royal family is actively considering a replacement to crown prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) as next in line to succeed his father King Salman

Trump will decide who gets to inherit the Saudi throne.

Am I the only one secretly hoping we hear the tape soon?

Yes, kind of surprised the tape has not been released. Turkey is obviously happy to expose Saudi crimes, so why not?

bob2356 says

ROFLOL. Now that's really funny shit. Rewarded for killing gays and protesters? Like decapitation and subsequent public crucifixion of Ahmed bin ‘Adhaib bin ‘Askar al-Shamlani al-‘Anzi, for homosexuality? Oh shit that was in Riyadh, never mind. What a fucking joke. KSA gets rewarded every day by the USofA for executing gays and protesters using your "logic" .

I still waiting for the list of names. But I'm sure you will get it to me before the sun goes supernova. Maybe.

I'm still waiting to hear why the Iran Deal was implemented? To reward the execution of gays and protesters by the Mullahs? Did it stop after the Deal?

When the Saudis were executing gays and witches, what sanctions did Obama impose?
https://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/13/world/meast/saudi-arabia-beheading/index.html

2011, right in the heart of the Obama Presidency. What punishments did Obama deliver?

When I get an answer, I'll provide links to scholar funding provided by bin Talal. They're sitting in my Bookmarks.

Khashoggi wanted to launch a "Pro-Democracy Group".
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jamal-khashoggi-wanted-to-launch-a-pro-democracy-group-then-the-saudis-disappeared-him?ref=scroll

Not his first "Pro-Democracy" Group. His first was in the aftermath of the Algerian Islamists being crushed after winning election.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/10/18/seven-facts-about-jamal-khashoggis-life-writing-and-politics/

Khashoggi believed in Cleric-guided Democracy like the Iranian Theocracy, with Shari'a law as the backbone. Any "Democratic" law passed that violated Shar'ia would be struck down as "Unconstitutional". So if a Khashoggi Democracy passed a first amendment, the Shar'ia courts would strike it down because it would allow blasphemy to be unpunished.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

When I get an answer, I'll provide links to scholar funding provided by bin Talal. They're sitting in my Bookmarks.

Sure right, I'm sure someone somewhere actually believes that. Would that be Including the receipts from where he paid for Obama's tuition for islamic studies at Harvard law? Too goddam funny.

I didn't get a list of all the saudi executions in their embassies prior to this one either. The ones the press ignored because those executions in their embassies wouldn't derail saudi liberalization. ROFLOL. You really can't make this shit up.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Actually, it would not be surprising if one of MSBs buddies held out the phone for Trump to run over his speakerphone for Ivanka and the kids to listen to the libby hack being sawed to death.

When are the turks going to post on youtube?

More details about the 15 murderers:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45906396

Supposedly one of the 15 is dead already from a "car accident". If the others start dropping, that increases the probability that one of the remaining killers squeals in exchange for protection.

bob2356 says

Sure right, I'm sure someone somewhere actually believes that. Would that be Including the receipts from where he paid for Obama's tuition for islamic studies at Harvard law? Too goddam funny.

I didn't get a list of all the saudi executions in their embassies prior to this one either. The ones the press ignored because those executions in their embassies wouldn't derail saudi liberalization. ROFLOL. You really can't make this shit up.

Bob, why are you and tatupu running away from answering my questions?

I'm not answering any more of your loaded questions until you start answering mine.

Why did Iran deserve the Iran Deal, given it's record of Gay and Protester torture, murder, and abuse? Why didn't Obama sanction Saudi Arabia for executing Witches and Gays in 2011, the heart of his Presidency?

Do you think MbS should resign over one dead Muslim Brotherhood propagandist, but it was okay for Obama/Clinton to entirely ignore the deaths of multiple people for Homosexuality and Witchcraft?

Tim Aurora says

Again this is whataboutism at its worst.

Nope, not whataboutism but a valid question as to why the death of a Terrorist Sympathizer requires the resignation of the Ruler, but why multiple human rights violations by executing Homosexuals and "Witches" did not engender ANY response whatsoever from other Administrations (not just Obama).

The correct response here is to wag a finger softly. "Next time kill terrorist symps quietly".

Whataboutism simply brings up a different, unrelated issue to distract from criticism.

"Today, Soviets put people in Gulags for political opinions."
"Oh yeah, well, well, well, in some Southern States it's hard for Blacks to meet voting requirements"

That's whataboutery.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Patriots! Trump should give these guys medals of FREE!dom for butchering a libby propagandist.

Give them a couple of hot blondes as wives. With cameras.

Saudis are dead men walking. The petrol economy will eventually fade and they’ll end up eating each other. Islam is only stable under authoritarian regimes. Hard to be authoritarian when you’re broke.

Goran_K says

Saudis are dead men walking. The petrol economy will eventually fade and they’ll end up eating each other. Islam is only stable under authoritarian regimes. Hard to be authoritarian when you’re broke.

Does not take long for people with no brains, education, skills, common sense, or Islamic values to eventually go broke.
Can you name even one Islamic country that produces something that takes hard work or brains?

Strategist says

Does not take long for people with no brains, education, skills, common sense, or Islamic values to eventually go broke.
Can you name even one Islamic country that produces something that takes hard work or brains?

Wail a minute. There is an Islamic country that produces something that takes hard work or brains.....Saudi Arabia. They invented "oil" You think it got there on it's own? Duh!