patrick.net

marcus says

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

marcus says

73 deaths due to right wing extremists since 2001. Can you point me to data on the number of deaths due to left wing violence this century ?

Difficult, because SPL and Academics play games with the numbers, sometimes counting Islamism as "Right WIng" and sometimes creating special categories for Leftist Violence like calling BLM inspired terrorism "Nationalist/Separatists".

9/11 should actually be considered Left Wing because all the people apologizing for it, contextualizing it, and insisting we not blame the whole ideology for the event were ... Left.

I'll take this as concession that I'm right.

That is a dishonest sentiment and you know it.

These lists do a few things consistently. 1) play games w what they classify as terrorism and 2) play games w what they define as "right" 3) hold the left to a far different standard than the right.

The only way to start to see the bias is to see the list. (Notice neither you nor the "source" offers a link to the actual source data.)

However even seeing the list wont fully explain the bias, considering they are hand selecting what they call terrorism in the first place. Ex: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Chicago_torture_incident they would never classify a politically and racially motivated kidnapping as even a hate crime much less a crime of terrorism, cause this is a crime from the left. In fact the much more prevalent black on white violent event would NEVER be classified as hate crime or terrorism.

By comparison these lists attempt to paint any rare white on black crime as terrorism. Just go read the SPLC link wherein they lost some of their examples of terrorism.

It's really weak to post these stats w/o looking at them or even offering the list of events. Do you even care about the truth?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Ah look the Antifa are having a Socialist Picnic

No.

BREAKING: Shots fired into Volusia County Republican Party office in South Daytona pic.twitter.com/qqZl3ueabC

— BNL NEWS (@BreakingNLive) October 29, 2018

No.

No.

CNN's Don Lemon: "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/37797/cnns-don-lemon-calls-white-men-biggest-terror-hank-berrien

This is CNN.

Hillary says Don Lemon and Eric Holder look like because they are black.

It may help if right and left had any meaning whatsoever.

There is no left and right. All we have are supporters of individual freedoms vs collectivism.

All collectivists are wrong for the same reasons. Nazis are the same as communists. Both are violent as every collectivism leads to violence.

CBOEtrader says

All we have are supporters of individual freedoms vs collectivism.

This is mostly a political ruse to get votes for what the oligarchs want. That is lower taxes, a government that they control, and slave labor that is as cheap as possible. Meanwhile environmental regulations down the tubes.

Individual freedoms is a relative thing. I can imagine a future with gated communities for those with trust funds or the lucky few who otherwise have good investment income. And then shanty towns with decaying commons and an ever disappearing middle class. . In "A Tale of Two Cities," wasn't' there a type of individual freedom that the even the wretched poor had ?

How does your theory explain people such as myself who are relatively conservative in many ways ? I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson and believe very much in individual freedom and deplore the SJW mind set. And yet I see that republicans get and implement all the things the oligarchs want.

THey are getting all the things that they would get if they had defeated a democratic party that you and Patick and all the others with this argument respect to the max, fighting for workers etc. YES DEMOCRATS AREN'T FIGHTING EFFECTIVELY FOR WHAT THEY SHOULD... BUT THEREFORE YOU GIVE REPUBLICANS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD WANT (FOR THEIR OVERLORDS) IF DEMOCRATS WERE FIGHTING FOR WHAT YOU CLAIM THEY SHOULD BE ?

What kind of sense does that make ? All becasue of some fear of communism you see on the left ? WE are moving quickly in to a new guilded age. WE can't even discuss the real issues, such as how to do health care in an economically sensible way, becasue of BS fears the right wing media machine perpetuates.

Immigrants, Islam, and communism oh my. Oh noes, America isn't going to be a white country much longer !! Ahhhhh!

I guess that's as good a reason as any to fuck over the people.

slave labor that is as cheap as possible.

Interesting. Trump is the only one who is pushing to stop unfettered illegal immigration and to have manufacturing return to the USA from China and other low wage areas. Illegal immigrant labor and off -shoring of jobs create downward pressure on wages.

HeadSet says

Trump is the only one who is pushing to stop unfettered illegal immigration

Compare border policies and numbers of people deported during Obama admin, and you will find this statement to be 100% false.

Trump's immigration talk is about getting votes. Nothing more.

marcus says

This is mostly a political ruse to get votes for what the oligarchs want.

This? You mean the libertarian values that brought freedom to the masses is a political ruse by the oligarchs.

Wrong.

Labeling libertarianism as a ruse by the oligarchs, is itself a ruse by the oligarchs.

marcus says

That is lower taxes, a government that they control

These are opposites. Lower taxes means your politician has less power, not more.

marcus says

Meanwhile environmental regulations down the tubes.

You mean they scrapped the paris accord plan to tax the world and let the oligarchs control that capital?

You seem to be arguing w yourself. Not allowing the oligarchs to have complete control is somehow a "ruse of the oligarchs".

^^this is what CNN teaches you. It's really gross man. Just terrible for our country

MAGA_BOMBER says

found 92% of all "ideologically motivated homicide incidents"

Source or you made it all up.

Please define how a researcher could determine ideological motivation for a murder.

Then also define right wing extremism or white supremacy. Last I saw a list like this they had the Parkland shooter listed as a right wing terrorist event.

So yeah if you want to look at the 1/1000 US murders defined as done by right winger extremists via biased sources, then somehow suggest 1 out of 1000 murders is all right wingers fault, then your conclusion makes perfect sense.

SMH...lolz

MAGA_BOMBER says

3 very traceable sources were given.

and yet you havent offered any? If you did somewhere above in a thread I apologize. I havent seen a source yet.

MAGA_BOMBER says

What you want is me personally to defend the data

Yes I want you to think critically and explain why you agree or disagree with the headline statistic. If you have no opinion why post the stat in the first place?

MAGA_BOMBER says

Also showed up here:

There's still no link.

Every time I dive into a set of stats like this it has been absolutely horrid processes and disgustingly biased judgement. It says a lot more about the lack of critical thinking skills of the masses who parrot the stats, than it does about any underlying violence problem in "the extreme right" (which you still havent defined).

Lol ok so I went through Marcus's sources above.

SPLC lists 6 right wing terror crimes in 2018. Even the quartz article only shows 60 terrorist "incidents" in 2018.

Compare that to 30000 gun deaths per year. Please recall all the toddlers compared to terrorists death count from a few years back. Now when the right is under their terrorism crucible it's a huge problem... smh.

Riddle me this: do you really think that 60 violent crimes hand selected as terrorist events in 2018 (apparently a HUGE increase from years past) is anything but a hand selected narrative?

Now look at the actual crimes. The total joke SPLC lists Nikolas Cruz, the florida school shooter, as a right wing terrorist because he posted mean things on FB. ^^this is a public example of attributing white supremacy political terrorism to a pointless violent act.

Imagine if we had entire organizations searching chat logs, texts, and emails of all the murderers on death row.

If a murderer saying he hates other groups, how many of the 50 murders a weekend in Chicago could be considered terrorism?

This right wing terrorism trope is a lie. Its designed and presented to manipulate your weak, soft minds.

I'm shocked(NOT) that you found some lies to throw at the data to invalidate it for yourself.

IT's your typical argument, or non-argument. I'd like to say that it's worse than the usual nonsensical lie filled argument you come up with, but I can't.

Very similar to your argument how all of Trumps lies aren't really lies. I see a pattern. You actually can take any true fact and throw some nonsensical gibberish at it, and declare me and all the other reality based folks:

CBOEtrader says

weak, soft minds

Brilliant. Very compelling. I get it. I guess actually if you're going to say that white supremacy and racism or neonazism aren't right wing per se, then you're right !

Good job. I stand corrected.

New America Foundation

Already exposed as an unreliable source on another recent thread by @curious2

CBOEtrader says

Now look at the actual crimes. The total joke SPLC lists Nikolas Cruz, the florida school shooter, as a right wing terrorist because he posted mean things on FB. ^^this is a public example of attributing white supremacy political terrorism to a pointless violent act.

I believe another "ZOMG Look at Right Wing Terror" had the Denver Movie Theater Crazy Dude on it. Nothing to do with the Right Wing.

Conversely the Muslim Driver who beat down the Hassidic Pedestrian in Brooklyn yelling "ALLAH! " will not be noted as a hate crime, but "Road Rage"

Here's another misleading statement:

"But the United States has seen a recent surge in terror-related violence, with 65 attacks last year, up from six in 2006, it said."

A dishonest way of saying
"Last year was the second lowest year of Right Wing Terror in more than a decade."
OR
"We had to go back about a decade to find the next lowest year after the last one."

Interestingly:

The list also includes attacks on a gay bar in Puerto Rico,

By whom? Betcha it wasn't a white dude.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/12/study-shows-two-thirds-us-terrorism-tied-right-wing-extremists

marcus says

So, are we going to give the lies about violence on the left a rest for a couple days ?

Who do you think we are, the libby press?

marcus says

I'm shocked(NOT) that you found some lies to throw at the data to invalidate it for yourself.

IT's your typical argument, or non-argument. I'd like to say that it's worse than the usual nonsensical lie filled argument you come up with, but I can't.

Very similar to your argument how all of Trumps lies aren't really lies. I see a pattern. You actually can take any true fact and throw some nonsensical gibberish at it, and declare me and all the other reality based folks:

CBOEtrader says

weak, soft minds

Brilliant. Very compelling. I get it. I guess actually if you're going to say that white supremacy and racism or neonazism aren't right wing per se, then you're right !

Good job. I stand corrected.

I also see a pattern in your posts. Zero facts or tangible points to be found. Try responding to what I actually said, and perhaps point out what you disagree with.

marcus says

the usual nonsensical lie filled argument you come up with

LOLZ, OMG have I replaced Trump in your brain? Thats awesome!!!!

I'll assume this also means you cant actually point out one of my "lies" to discuss. As always, I'm waiting for you to prove me wrong (but you wont)

201710010018 2017-10-01 United States Las Vegas Anti-Government extremists 59 851 Business,Airports and Aircraft,Private Citizens & Property
https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201712220023
Emphasis Mine.

Uhhh, that's funny, the Official Investigation has closed the case without determining ANY MOTIVE for the Las Vegas attack.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/03/635507299/las-vegas-shooting-investigation-closed-no-motive-found

And yet UMaryland's database puts it as "Anti-Government Extremist" and making it the 5th deadliest attack in the database,

But I'm sure the SPLC doesn't challenge the "Terrorist Database" unofficial conclusion and will assign all 59 deaths to the "Far Right".

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

But I'm sure the SPLC doesn't challenge the "Terrorist Database" unofficial conclusion and will assign all 59 deaths to the "Far Right".

Well, he's white so the left will call it alt-right terrorism.

Same goes w light skinned Latinos and/or half asians or anyone who may have liked Infowars on facebook.

CBOEtrader says

Well, he's white so the left will call it alt-right terrorism.

Right, while ignoring the fact majority of his victims were a County-Western festival attendees, presumably majority rural White and at the very least leans Trump and pro-USA.

Yeah, okay, the University of Maryland list is total bullshit. It includes Columbine as a terror attack, rather than a mass shooting because Psychopath.

These are the first ten most deadly attacks:



Las Vegas we have officially no motive, the West Fertilizer plant is believed to be arson but there are no suspects or claimants to the attack, and Columbine wasn't a terror attack but Nutjobs.

Even so, the deadliest terror attacks come from 1% of the population.

marcus says

Brilliant. Very compelling. I get it. I guess actually if you're going to say that white supremacy and racism or neonazism aren't right wing per se, then you're right !

I'm trying to find a process, any process to actually give a statistical measurement of political violence. Your wikipedia article was helpful, but the definitions are vague at best. It seems to define all political violence as right wing. Ex: anti-govt = right wing, but anti-fascist govt = left wing.... so in this simple example, a terrorist who is fighting against his own govt would only he considered left wing in a tiny fraction of govt systems.

This is why I want your definition. I legit dont see any difference between left/right unless you are talking about team affiliations.

It's almost as if any wrongthinker can be defined as extreme right winger, THEN they only offer ideology as relevant IF (like cruz) they can find posts of him being anti-illegal immigration or whatever.

Try actually discussing something for once and answer this: if you looked into every Chicago murderers text, email, social history do you think you wouldnt find anti-[entergrouphere] hate?

Violence by a perpetrater who at any point expressed political anxiety is enough for SPLC to define that violent person as a terrorist. Imagine if the same rules were applied to the left. Just try. Now tell me there wouldnt be 10 leftists terrorists identified per weekend amongst the Chicago murderers using that weak formula.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

New America Foundation

Already exposed as an unreliable source on another recent thread by @curious2

https://patrick.net/post/1318051/2018-08-09-newamerica-org

Regarding the unattributed copy & paste from Wikipedia commented above, that fake count was already addressed in this comment. It shows that Wikipedia can be deliberately misleading. Note the elision between number of incidents and number of fatalities, and the cherry picked dates. The 2015 San Bernardino attack killed 24 people, seriously injured 22 more, and would have killed and wounded many more if the perpetrators had not been killed before detonating their bombs. The 2016 Orlando Pulse attack killed 49, and wounded 53. The 2009 attack on Fort Hood killed 14 and wounded 33. And, so we never forget, the 9/11 attacks in 2001 killed 3,000 (the number continues to grow due to the toxic dust causing ongoing cancers and respiratory fatalities). Counts that omit the wounded, or that count incidents instead of fatalities, understate the Islamic carnage. Nobody can match Muslims' propensity to self-organize lethal conspiracies and murder and wound and terrorize huge numbers as per Islam.

By embracing Islam, the left embraces violence, and betrays liberalism and humanity. It makes no sense for Democrats to support Islam while claiming to support values that Islam opposes and would destroy, but such is the betrayal and incoherence that resulted in Democrats being separated from power.

curious2 says

By embracing Islam, the left embraces violence, and betrays liberalism and humanity. It makes no sense for Democrats to support Islam while claiming to support values that Islam opposes and would destroy, but such is the betrayal and incoherence that resulted in Democrats being separated from power

+100!

Too bad most of the Democrat voters aren’t bright enough to connect the dots on this gradeschppl level puzzle. They think they’re so smart, but they lack common sense to such a degree that they’re effectively imbeciles. Toss a few Leftists into the wild and they’d either kill themselves by falling off a cliff or get eaten by rabid hamsters within a week. The survival shows are quite instructive on this. The more Leftist the contestant, the more likely they’ll require a life flight out of the contest.

Here's 2017. So many problems with this one, from Harrisburg (by an Egyptian Muslim Chain Migrant via a distant family member, motive not clear, could be terror, he sought out cops specifically) to Antioch (Black Perpetrator who said he was mad at Whites, so that's Left Wing Terror). Both are dishonestly listed as unknown.

Las Vegas we've been over. There are no signs that the perp was particularly mad at government, or was motivated by any kind of politics. He wasn't in tax trouble and never bitched about government or poltiics. His dad was a noted murderer and conman, so it may be he wanted to show dad he was also bad ass before his death? Nobody knows and the case is closed with no official motive

Also on the list (not pictured), there are some unsolved vandalism "attacks" that aren't really terrorism, but just simple humbug, for example, somebody damaged a Lubavitcher bus. Not only am I not sure that's really a "Terror Attack", since nobody was in the bus, but if it is I'm probably Black Muslims given where it happened.

As CBOE is saying, when does a hate crime or humbug incident become Terrorism? Does mouthing off to "N**gers" in the parking lot count as Terrorism? Does a midnight arson of an empty (mostly likely run-down, knowing Lubavitchers) bus equal Terrorism or Hate Crime or Just Humbuggery?

How about when Antifa professors bash people with bike locks? Is that terrorism, or just violence from rioting? It didn't make the list AFAICS

If torching a Lubavitch Bus is terror, why not smashing in windows and torching limosines and otherwise smashing and burning at a Riot?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

How about when Antifa professors bash people with bike locks? Is that terrorism, or just violence from rioting? It didn't make the list AFAICS

They wont engage you. Their minds eye currently sees a low level model of reality wherein "right wing extremists" aka white men, are a HUGE terrorist threat cause orange man bad.

Asking the questions you are asking will clearly illuminate the ease with which these stats are manipulated. Reality clashes w their low level model of reality, so they won't engage you in details.

Watch.

That should be a Pink Haired Professor giving her 10,000th lecture, endorsed by the College, about Toxic Masculinity and the dangers of Whiteness

First order thinkers: "We will shame the Whites and they will vote Socialist and redistribute their wealth to POCs and all will be well. Those who resist will be quietly and calmly incarcerated for their Hate Speech."

Blowback.

This one was screaming at the NYPD because they didn't arrest Gavin and his Attendees just for "Being Nazis". In fact, they escorted them out of the building to protect them from a Leftist mob trying to attack them.

"You are fucking assholes!" the professor shouted at the New York Police Department (NYPD). "You're protecting the Nazis!"

The NYPD had arrived on the scene to prevent violence and escort McInnes out of the building safely. But the professor seemed to think the cops' job was to shut down a speaker she didn't like—by engaging in explicit violence against him.

"You should kick their ass!" the professor declared, referring to McInnes and his entourage. "You should!"

Note that the professor—a dead ringer for Melissa Click, by the way—considered violence to be beneath her and her owns students.

"These are kids who are trying to learn about humanity!" she said. "They're trying to learn about human rights and against racism and xenophobia, and LGBTQ rights, and you're letting these fucking neo-nazis near here! It's not up to these students to kick the ass of a neo-nazi! They don't have to raise their fist! They were taught to be peaceful! Fuck you!"

https://reason.com/blog/2017/02/03/nyu-prof-screams-at-the-nypd-because-the

This Queen SJW didn't want her Soyboys to do the work, but the NYPD to do their violence for them.

www.youtube.com/embed/ZnIOoDD1ZuI

My favorite Death Metal remix:
www.youtube.com/embed/yQatFDWQH04

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

First order thinkers: "We will shame the Whites and they will vote Socialist and redistribute their wealth to POCs and all will be well. Those who resist will be quietly and calmly incarcerated for their Hate Speech."

Yeah... #TheseToo.

After admitting Islamic terrorists had killed a whole lot more people than “white men,” the basement-rated Lemon went on to claim that “right-wing” extremists are responsible for 74 percent of “deadly attacks” were carried out by right-wing extremists.

Lemon did not explain how “right-wing extremist” automatically translates into his generalization of “white men” as a whole. As an example, the mail bomber caught last month will likely be listed as a “right-wing extremist,” but is a Filipino who identifies as a Seminole Indian.

Lemon also cherry-picked a statistic that best fit his partisan narrative, which is a sub-sub-sub statistic based on deadly attacks only between the years 2007-2016.

What Lemon did not want his viewers to know, however, is that in less than three years, there have been over 630 recorded acts of violence, threats, vandalism, and bullying by leftists against Trump and his supporters.

What’s more, Lemon and his far-left network regularly encourage, justify, and dismiss this violence against Trump and his supporters.

Just last month, Lemon said leftists have a “constitutional right” to harass Republicans until they are chased out of a public space, such as a restaurant.

In September, Lemon defended the public harassment of Ted Cruz and his wife.

And on Monday, Lemon said “we have to start doing something about” white men, adding “there is no travel ban on them … there is no white guy ban, so what are we going to do about that?”

In August, Chris Cuomo told his viewers that the terrorism committed by the left-wing Antifa against the GOP is “right.”

In July, CNN commentator Marc Lamont Hill, who is also a supporter of anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, defended violence against anyone wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat.

In June, CNN’s April Ryan told a Republican women she deserved death threats.

Also in June, a CNN contributor attacked those calling for civility.

That same day, CNN’s Jake Tapper dismissed the harassment of White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders as political stunt manufactured by Sanders as a stunt.

In May, CNN’s Chris Cilliza released a video of President Trump in crosshairs.

This is just an accounting of the last six months.

The far-left CNN is widely seen as one of the most partisan, divisive, extremist, and irresponsible news outlets in the country.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/11/01/nolte-cnns-don-lemon-doubles-down-on-attack-of-white-men/

Links at the link.

If it wasn't for Timothy McVeigh 25 years ago, there wouldn't be a single "Right Wing" attack in the deadliest top Ten.

Best gift the Left ever got.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

professor

The video link at Reason doesn't work anymore, but this YouTube link does. Reason updated reporting that NYU said she does not appear to be an NYU professor. Someone said anonymously she teaches at a different institution, but I can't corroborate so I won't repeat its name. People on Reddit are calling her TrigglyProf.

She doesn't resemble Melissa Click, IMO. I would have no trouble telling them apart.

www.youtube.com/embed/nR9hMj6OLfM

There's always deranged INDIVIDUALS. But the right wingers haven't been forming mobs to surround individual lefties. When a large contingent of a college campus starts assaulting someone, is a completely different ballgame. It's less about the mental illness of an individual and more about the oppression of group think. While many of the right winger rallies have been filled with group think and questionable beliefs, they don't try to sucker punch the lefties that get in their face.

Exactly oakman.

Leftists also keep Allen Mohammed off lists too. Thought his notes were full of Quran quotes and he converted to Islam. His targets were everyday suburban American and all white I think.

And yes curious2; she doesn't look like click. Maybe a Cuny prof or another contact prof without real employment