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..."We have seen similar situations happen with the end of EV incentives before. The best examples being Denmark and Hong Kong which used to be two of Tesla’s best markets. But now they dropped down to be some of the worst markets in terms of sales since they killed their incentives.
BMW - Broke My Wallet. They are lovely cars, if you can afford them. You like paying 2-3x for everything, be my guest.
The cheapest electric BMW - i3 - costs $44,500 and is a fucking shitbox compared to the cheapest $44K Model3. Heck, it's not in the same fucking zipcode and it's fucking obvious to everyone.
The consumer has rejected battery cars so everything about how great they are is irrelevant.
If there were money to be made in the electric car business at this point in time, the big car companies would be heavily into electric cars. The fact is that no company at all has made profits in electric cars.
kt1652 saysRight, did Amazon make any profit for 10 years until they took over the world.
Amazon is still hardly making any profit after all that time, and it's been like 14 years. They make like a 2% - 3% net profit and are still posting losses overseas. Not sure if you should use them as a benchmark. Don't confuse sales dollars as making money.
Tesla sales will take an even bigger hit with the tax credits going away. Doesn't anyone remember these two:
I don't know where Tesla shares will go in the future, but I do know where Tesla sales will be. High High and Higher.
Reynolds America (RAI) prior to the 2008 crisis, date range of Jan 2006 to Jan 2014 ...
Currently its a Luxury car play and makes no profits in the near future. I'd see some prospects if it move out from Fremont, CA to more price competitive manufacturing base (unless state is already compensating) or come with some sort of self driving bots technology to make vertical business models. Just to be a passenger car play has limited scope to make profits as the competition gearing up.
Strategist saysI don't know where Tesla shares will go in the future, but I do know where Tesla sales will be. High High and Higher.
Wow, you really do drink the kool-aid, don't you.
Elon's coup will be SpaceX, with it's near monopoly on satellite launches for the next decade or two.
Aside from that, ventures like Tesla are very if-fy. And if you look at investing, then surely, companies which don't give dividends aren't places to park anymore than a sliver of one's portfolio.
Even a simple investment in R J Reynolds yielded one a huge return by reinvesting dividends. And let's be honest, cigarettes have been around for a lot longer than any of us on this earth.Reynolds America (RAI) prior to the 2008 crisis, date range of Jan 2006 to Jan 2014 ...
Substitute Tesla for Amazon, electric cars for online retail and legacy car companies for brick-and-mortar retail giants and you basically have the case against AMZN circa 2000-2002
Substitute Tesla for Amazon, electric cars for online retail and legacy car companies for brick-and-mortar retail giants
DASKAA saysSubstitute Tesla for Amazon, electric cars for online retail and legacy car companies for brick-and-mortar retail giants
Do you realize that Benz, Daimler, Porsche, and many others had hybrid-electric cars well before Musk was even born?
If Musk gets his battery giga-factory going as planned, I'd think Tesla will have a massive advantage compared to the other big auto-makers for the next several years.
Tesla is our only dog in this fight. GM is like my addict friend who will mortgage the future for a quick fix. Chrysler – FIAT, enough said. Ford, they will ek out an existence with F150. The fall back plan is government bail out.
Tesla is being attacked on all fronts. The luxury cars will put up a fight. The KorChinPans are going to fight them for battery dominance. They have to invest huge $ in China, probably building the Y there. The last thing they need is to hemorrhage cash flow. They have no choice, it is the biggest EV market. Now they are going to fight the BYDs on their own turf. It's only hope is to innovate out of it.
What I am certain of, despite what each Chinese EV makers are saying publicly. “Tesla is in a different market segment than us, we can coexist.” BS. Whoever wins the low and mid end, game over.
SunnyvaleCA saysDASKAA saysSubstitute Tesla for Amazon, electric cars for online retail and legacy car companies for brick-and-mortar retail giants
Do you realize that Benz, Daimler, Porsche, and many others had hybrid-electric cars well before Musk was even born?
Um, no, they didn't. First hybrid was Prius and Mask was already adult and millionaire. First German hybrid didn't appear till 2010 iirc. And hybrid-electric is not the same as full-electric. It's a cludge at best. Besides, if these guys are ready to eat Elon's lunch, why BMW's electric offers suck so much and the rest don't have anything at all (well Daimler did have a fully-electric offering based on .... drumroll... Tesla drivetrain).
DASKAA saysSunnyvaleCA saysDASKAA saysSubstitute Tesla for Amazon, electric cars for online retail and legacy car companies for brick-and-mortar retail giants
Do you realize that Benz, Daimler, Porsche, and many others had hybrid-electric cars well before Musk was even born?
Um, no, they didn't. First hybrid was Prius and Mask was already adult and millionaire. First German hybrid didn't appear till 2010 iirc. And hybrid-electric is not the same as full-electric. It's a cludge at best. Besides, if these guys are ready to eat Elon's lunch, why BMW's electric offers suck so much and the rest don't have anything at all (well Daimler did have a fully-electric offering based on .... drumroll... Tesla drivetrain).
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Tesla will end up selling the batteries to other automakers. Tesla cares are mostly a proof of concept that they might abandon at some point.
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It's over $300, with a loss of $10/share, but revenue just keeps going up. Hard to figure out what a fair price is since it doesn't make money yet.
How would you come up with a fair price per share?