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Onvacation says

I have to comment on this. I've had captive wild animals and the situations are not comparable.

Captive animals have limited freedom, but they aren't slaves as a result. They have a greatly expanded lifespan as a result and companionship, as well as food and access to medical services. Depending on the owner they have a far higher quality of life and in some instances complete freedom but not independence for food or decisions. It's more like a benevolent god / subject situation - but it's not that either, you're not god.

Our government will never be a good owner. You can care for 4 animals well and have a job, but not 20 or more - then you're just hoarding. You can care for hundreds of animals if that's ALL you do, and you have plenty of land and lots of money. Nobody can care for 1,000's without neglecting them.

The government isn't interested in having pets, they want cattle. A cow, sheep, goat or pig doesn't have guaranteed medical care and security. They MIGHT have some minor medical care, up to ALMOST the worth of the animal - and that's not much. They are all slaughtered at the end at the peak of their value in meat.

The picture should compare a wild goat, versus a farmed one.

Ever seen a "free dog"? I've had a few that broke my heart. Freedom can be particularly cruel, they are basically the homeless without the intelligence - or insanity for that matter.

richwicks says

They have a greatly expanded lifespan as a result and companionship, as well as food and access to medical services. Depending on the owner they have a far higher quality of life and in some instances complete freedom but not independence for food or decisions. It's more like a benevolent god / subject situation - but it's not that either, you're not god.

Personally, I would prefer a couple of years of freedom over decades in a cage, no matter how good the food and medical care.

But that's just my personal choice.

richwicks says

Ever seen a "free dog"?

I "donated" $300 for mine from a rescue shelter

richwicks says

Ever seen a "free dog"? I've had a few that broke my heart. Freedom can be particularly cruel, they are basically the homeless without the intelligence - or insanity for that matter.

It depends. Some feral dogs adapt pretty good, especially if they form a pack.

Feral pigs are fucking thriving. Same for feral horses a.k.a mustangs.

Onvacation says

richwicks says

They have a greatly expanded lifespan as a result and companionship, as well as food and access to medical services. Depending on the owner they have a far higher quality of life and in some instances complete freedom but not independence for food or decisions. It's more like a benevolent god / subject situation - but it's not that either, you're not god.

Personally, I would prefer a couple of years of freedom over decades in a cage, no matter how good the food and medical care.

But that's just my personal choice.

Haha - you are in a cage.

Want to be free? I can put you in a plane with a parachute and I can shove you out of a plane at an undisclosed location over a wilderness.

Dogs have been successively bred over many generations - so have we.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Ever seen a "free dog"? I've had a few that broke my heart. Freedom can be particularly cruel, they are basically the homeless without the intelligence - or insanity for that matter.

It depends. Some feral dogs adapt pretty good, especially if they form a pack.

I grew up in a tiny hick town in northern NY. People from the city would dump their unwanted pets off in our area.

Last dog my parents took in they found wandering in their backyard (which was extensive) starving. That dog was very grateful to receive food and a safe place to sleep.

richwicks says

you are in a cage.

Aren't we all. Most people's cages are of their own creation.

Onvacation says

richwicks says

you are in a cage.

Aren't we all. Most people's cages are of their own creation.

This isn't true.

We're all born in a cage, you know this but you want it not to be true. We are under the thumb of a natural hierarchy called "civilization".

I have read a good explanation that the story of Genesis is nothing more than an allegory of people changing from living off from a land of plenty, and converting to agriculturalism - that it was the move from hunter/gatherer society to one of farming. I wonder if it is correct?

I was trying to explain about QVC/Bradford Exchange to a Brit and found this.



Imagine the rage you can induce with this.

richwicks says

Last dog my parents took in they found wandering in their backyard (which was extensive) starving. That dog was very grateful to receive food and a safe place to sleep.

My current dog would probably be like that if lost. My previous one would fucking terrorize and/or devour all wildlife in 10 miles radius. =))

Eric Holder says

My current dog would probably be like that if lost. My previous one would fucking terrorize and/or devour all wildlife in 10 miles radius. =))

My dad used to have a guard dog in Indiana, that was a toughest son of a bitch dog I knew. Our house never got robbed because of that dog.

From this interview, really excellent:

https://thedonald.win/p/11PVazQni8/unedited-trump-on-60-minutes/c/

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richwicks says

We're all born in a cage, you know this but you want it not to be true. We are under the thumb of a natural hierarchy called "civilization".

I can live with that.

Civilization beats the alternative.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1319710630987755520

zzyzzx says

Finally a Biden/Harris sticker in the wild!

Womyn in Picture #1 is Portland mayoral candidate, antifa supporter, and will likely win.