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Cambridge University’s Shameful Treatment of Jordan Peterson
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2019 Apr 6, 10:36pm 2,954 views 83 comments
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Apr 8, 6:55pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Apr 8, 6:55pm
EBGuy says
The Left hates Evo Psych as much as they hate Judeo-Christianity.
Both postulate actors on the state of humanity that make a "Blank Slate" to socially engineer infeasible, albeit from different angles.
You would think Kakistocracy would be ecstatic that someone like Peterson is preaching the gospel of evo pysch to the students of Liberty University.
The Left hates Evo Psych as much as they hate Judeo-Christianity.
Both postulate actors on the state of humanity that make a "Blank Slate" to socially engineer infeasible, albeit from different angles.
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marcus
2019 Apr 8, 9:22pm
marcus
2019 Apr 8, 9:22pm
I've been a big fan of JP since a good while before he blew up.
He's not comparable at all to the provocateur Milo. That's just silly.
You could watch Peterson's debates with Sam Harris if you wanted to learn more about him. Or many of his lectures that have been posted going way back. His big academic book was "Maps of Meaning."
He likes to talk about Dostoevsky, Nietzsche, Jung, archetypes, Myths, and value that stories have in our finding meaning in life.
He makes very solid arguments against Marxism and certain aspects of post modernism as it was twisted in the decades after marxism was a proven failure. . His thesis (which is only that) is that a lot of the craziness on the left can be traced to these.
I'm way oversimplifying, but the reason for his popularity is that his message fits with these crazy times. As for his being a darling of the right ? To the extent that that's true, its a very good thing, becasue he is a moderating influence. If wish the right worshiped JP, becasue he would point them in the right direction.
But also, the extent that a guy like him can be considered right wing, is purely a rather extreme example of how fucked up the left is these days. That is, any leftists that believe that are way too close minded, and not part of a left that I want to have anything to do with. . It underlines the departure of the left from what it meant 50 years ago.
The truth is, JP is a pragmatst and very middle of the road. The only time I've see him show a slight bit of what seemed like right wing bias was when answering a question about climate change. He didn't deny it, but he questioned how we can deal with it any faster than we are. And he questioned it in general. Sadly, I felt that one time, he was sucking up to the right a little bit, but maybe it was an off day, that he could manage a more balanced answer to an audience question.
Still I'm very impressed with the guy. Very quick on his toes, extremely intelligent, and he'll give you food for thought if you aren't closed minded. I agree with him 98% of the time. And I have a reputation of being a liberal around here. Go figure.
Maybe one of the main reasons I like him is the same reason Kak doesn't. That is, I like his view on religion. He makes the argument that I tried to make with Dan years ago, much better than I ever did. Very well constructed and totally consistent with my pov. Where as we know from recent posts that Kak is a hard core dogmatic atheist. JP's big debate with Sam Harris is centered on this subject. I'm guessing it's something Kak would never listen to, even though Harris is advocating very well for Kak's view.
If it's not that, then the other reason some leftists don't like him, is that he takes issue with the ugly fucked up part of the left. That is the over the top identity nonsense that prevents the left from being politically successful. That's my other favorite thing about JP. I want to see that part of the left (which is mostly on college campuses) squashed before it grows. Jp's insights and popularity are helping in that battle - especially as he gets main stream popularity.
He's not comparable at all to the provocateur Milo. That's just silly.
You could watch Peterson's debates with Sam Harris if you wanted to learn more about him. Or many of his lectures that have been posted going way back. His big academic book was "Maps of Meaning."
He likes to talk about Dostoevsky, Nietzsche, Jung, archetypes, Myths, and value that stories have in our finding meaning in life.
He makes very solid arguments against Marxism and certain aspects of post modernism as it was twisted in the decades after marxism was a proven failure. . His thesis (which is only that) is that a lot of the craziness on the left can be traced to these.
I'm way oversimplifying, but the reason for his popularity is that his message fits with these crazy times. As for his being a darling of the right ? To the extent that that's true, its a very good thing, becasue he is a moderating influence. If wish the right worshiped JP, becasue he would point them in the right direction.
But also, the extent that a guy like him can be considered right wing, is purely a rather extreme example of how fucked up the left is these days. That is, any leftists that believe that are way too close minded, and not part of a left that I want to have anything to do with. . It underlines the departure of the left from what it meant 50 years ago.
The truth is, JP is a pragmatst and very middle of the road. The only time I've see him show a slight bit of what seemed like right wing bias was when answering a question about climate change. He didn't deny it, but he questioned how we can deal with it any faster than we are. And he questioned it in general. Sadly, I felt that one time, he was sucking up to the right a little bit, but maybe it was an off day, that he could manage a more balanced answer to an audience question.
Still I'm very impressed with the guy. Very quick on his toes, extremely intelligent, and he'll give you food for thought if you aren't closed minded. I agree with him 98% of the time. And I have a reputation of being a liberal around here. Go figure.
Maybe one of the main reasons I like him is the same reason Kak doesn't. That is, I like his view on religion. He makes the argument that I tried to make with Dan years ago, much better than I ever did. Very well constructed and totally consistent with my pov. Where as we know from recent posts that Kak is a hard core dogmatic atheist. JP's big debate with Sam Harris is centered on this subject. I'm guessing it's something Kak would never listen to, even though Harris is advocating very well for Kak's view.
If it's not that, then the other reason some leftists don't like him, is that he takes issue with the ugly fucked up part of the left. That is the over the top identity nonsense that prevents the left from being politically successful. That's my other favorite thing about JP. I want to see that part of the left (which is mostly on college campuses) squashed before it grows. Jp's insights and popularity are helping in that battle - especially as he gets main stream popularity.
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WillPowers
2019 Apr 8, 11:23pm
WillPowers
2019 Apr 8, 11:23pm
Kakistocracy says
You mean like illegal aliens who bring down wages and take some jobs away from American citizens?
Why does the Trump support team embrace socialism when it benefits them directly but not so much when someone else benefits
You mean like illegal aliens who bring down wages and take some jobs away from American citizens?
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anonymous
2019 Apr 9, 1:51am
WillPowers says
No - the socialism so near and dear to the hearts of the GOP voters like the farmers in fly over country who realize all of this flooding is putting a world of hurt on them, on top of the tariffs so now they want the government to come in and bail them out.
You mean like illegal aliens who bring down wages and take some jobs away from American citizens?
No - the socialism so near and dear to the hearts of the GOP voters like the farmers in fly over country who realize all of this flooding is putting a world of hurt on them, on top of the tariffs so now they want the government to come in and bail them out.
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anonymous
2019 Apr 9, 2:28am
WillPowers says
The same type of illegals that were employed by the Trump organization, the god king of so many commenters until the media spotlight caused a red face moment for the organization.
Be nice if someone were to lead by example instead of do what I say and not what I do
You mean like illegal aliens who bring down wages
The same type of illegals that were employed by the Trump organization, the god king of so many commenters until the media spotlight caused a red face moment for the organization.
Be nice if someone were to lead by example instead of do what I say and not what I do
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anonymous
2019 Apr 9, 4:40am
CBOEtrader says
Really - Then it is not really this by CBOETrader ?
"Tired of picking on Marcus" - https://patrick.net/post/1323347/2019-03-23-tired-of-picking-on-marcus
Kind of leaning to the option I just cited. Both for CBOETrader and several others - quite a few others actually
Try actually discussing something. It's why we're here (the rest of us at least)
Really - Then it is not really this by CBOETrader ?
"Tired of picking on Marcus" - https://patrick.net/post/1323347/2019-03-23-tired-of-picking-on-marcus
Kind of leaning to the option I just cited. Both for CBOETrader and several others - quite a few others actually
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anonymous
2019 Apr 9, 4:43am
CBOEtrader says
I did. https://patrick.net/post/1323785/2019-04-09-tales-from-the-right-aka-the-appeal-of-jordon-peterson-soon-to-be-labeled-a-hit-piece
and that concludes the attention you will get from me today.
(You cant)
I did. https://patrick.net/post/1323785/2019-04-09-tales-from-the-right-aka-the-appeal-of-jordon-peterson-soon-to-be-labeled-a-hit-piece
and that concludes the attention you will get from me today.
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Onvacation
2019 Apr 9, 7:12am
Onvacation
2019 Apr 9, 7:12am
Kakistocracy says
So glad you're ignoring me. I would hate to be the victim of long cut and paste screeds.
Don't care what u think, otherwise I would have you off ignore wouldn't I ?
So glad you're ignoring me. I would hate to be the victim of long cut and paste screeds.
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Onvacation
2019 Apr 9, 7:21am
Onvacation
2019 Apr 9, 7:21am
Kakistocracy says
Nobody really cares if you ignore them or not. But it is pathetic that you respond to people you claim to ignore. Sad.
Let's not - gave u your 3 minutes of attention today. If I wanted to discuss anything with u, u would not be on ignore.
Nobody really cares if you ignore them or not. But it is pathetic that you respond to people you claim to ignore. Sad.
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Shaman
2019 Apr 9, 7:22am
Shaman
2019 Apr 9, 7:22am
Kakistocracy says
Man, this is why you fail. I said “most educated,” not smartest. I know I’m not the smartest person ever, well above average but no true genius. My only real advantage has always been persistence.
From the person who told me not too long ago "I am probably the smartest person you know" that is really funny - stupid but funny.
Man, this is why you fail. I said “most educated,” not smartest. I know I’m not the smartest person ever, well above average but no true genius. My only real advantage has always been persistence.
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Shaman
2019 Apr 9, 7:24am
Shaman
2019 Apr 9, 7:24am
Care to flag any more of my posts personal that aren’t but still destroy your arguments?
@Patrick i suspect Kaki is abusing his flag button. I’m not going to post here if he can just delete anything I post.
@Patrick i suspect Kaki is abusing his flag button. I’m not going to post here if he can just delete anything I post.
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Bd6r
2019 Apr 9, 9:31am
Bd6r
2019 Apr 9, 9:31am
FortWayneIndiana says
Don't think so, Dan was more prone to discuss facts.
Kaki is Dan. Welcome back Dan
Don't think so, Dan was more prone to discuss facts.
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CBOEtrader
2019 Apr 9, 10:15am
CBOEtrader
2019 Apr 9, 10:15am
marcus says
Yeah SH and JP missed each other a bit. They couldn't agree on the concept of reality.
Therefore, does GOD exist? Neither was wrong
JP's big debate with Sam Harris is centered on this subject.
Yeah SH and JP missed each other a bit. They couldn't agree on the concept of reality.
Therefore, does GOD exist? Neither was wrong
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Heraclitusstudent
2019 Apr 9, 11:08am
Heraclitusstudent
2019 Apr 9, 11:08am
marcus says
Exactly.
His arguments against equality defined as "equality of outcome" vs "equality of opportunity" are rock solid.
The truth is, JP is a pragmatst and very middle of the road.
Exactly.
His arguments against equality defined as "equality of outcome" vs "equality of opportunity" are rock solid.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Apr 9, 5:21pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Apr 9, 5:21pm
They both pasted long ass copy paste jobs.
I could be wrong though.
d6rB says
I could be wrong though.
d6rB says
FortWayneIndiana saysKaki is Dan. Welcome back Dan
Don't think so, Dan was more prone to discuss facts.
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anonymous
2019 Apr 10, 1:15am
Quigley says
Everytime u slide in a personal attack with the rest of the verbiage - flag.
Care to flag any more of my posts personal that aren’t but still destroy your arguments?
Everytime u slide in a personal attack with the rest of the verbiage - flag.
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CBOEtrader
2019 Apr 10, 2:44am
CBOEtrader
2019 Apr 10, 2:44am
Kakistocracy says
Yet again Kak, you attack others PERSONALLY when they attack your ARGUMENT, yet flag the others as personal. Kak needs his flagging rights removed
Quigley saysCare to flag any more of my posts personal that aren’t but still destroy your arguments?
Everytime u slide in a personal attack with the rest of the verbiage - flag.
Yet again Kak, you attack others PERSONALLY when they attack your ARGUMENT, yet flag the others as personal. Kak needs his flagging rights removed
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anonymous
2019 Apr 10, 6:19am
d6rB says
JP is a shill who has tapped into the political fervor of the moment and is smart enough to milk it monetarily while the getting is good.
HIs 12 rules is old shit repackaged - and I do not buy into the all of the other shit he uses to keep his followers coming back.
JP is wrong "because I disagree with him"
JP is a shill who has tapped into the political fervor of the moment and is smart enough to milk it monetarily while the getting is good.
HIs 12 rules is old shit repackaged - and I do not buy into the all of the other shit he uses to keep his followers coming back.
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Bd6r
2019 Apr 10, 8:50am
Bd6r
2019 Apr 10, 8:50am
Kakistocracy says
Even if that is true, it does not make him alt-right like Milo.
JP is a shill who has tapped into the political fervor of the moment and is smart enough to milk it monetarily while the getting is good.
Even if that is true, it does not make him alt-right like Milo.
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Patrick
2019 Apr 10, 9:14am
Patrick
2019 Apr 10, 9:14am
Quigley says
@Quigley I think he did have a point at least in the latest flag. It was personal.
But he also makes personal comments, so please flag those.
Let's just discuss ideas rather than the people making them.
Patrick i suspect Kaki is abusing his flag button. I’m not going to post here if he can just delete anything I post.
@Quigley I think he did have a point at least in the latest flag. It was personal.
But he also makes personal comments, so please flag those.
Let's just discuss ideas rather than the people making them.
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CBOEtrader
2019 Apr 10, 9:44am
CBOEtrader
2019 Apr 10, 9:44am
Kakistocracy says
A copy/paste article is exactly what I'm challenging you NOT to do. Tbc, nowhere in the article does the author suggest an example of a flawed JP assumption. Can YOU point out a single example of bad data or pseudo science?
You cant. You wont. You will flag critiques of your nonsensical posts, then post unrelated 20 thousand word articles.
I legit think kak is a bot, and a poorly programmed at that.
CBOEtrader says(You cant)
I did. https://patrick.net/post/1323785/2019-04-09-tales-from-the-right-aka-the-appeal-of-jordon-peterson-soon-to-be-labeled-a-hit-piece
and that concludes the attention you will get from me today.
A copy/paste article is exactly what I'm challenging you NOT to do. Tbc, nowhere in the article does the author suggest an example of a flawed JP assumption. Can YOU point out a single example of bad data or pseudo science?
You cant. You wont. You will flag critiques of your nonsensical posts, then post unrelated 20 thousand word articles.
I legit think kak is a bot, and a poorly programmed at that.
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WillPowers
2019 Apr 10, 4:09pm
WillPowers
2019 Apr 10, 4:09pm
Kakistocracy says
In Obama's day the media would have passed over this story. For example: the only time WaPo started counting the number of lies a president tells is when Trump became president. Here's a suggestion for the left wing media: Why don't you count the lies every president tells and then the public would know they all lie. Occupational hazard.
The same type of illegals that were employed by the Trump organization
In Obama's day the media would have passed over this story. For example: the only time WaPo started counting the number of lies a president tells is when Trump became president. Here's a suggestion for the left wing media: Why don't you count the lies every president tells and then the public would know they all lie. Occupational hazard.
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Cambridge University seems to be pozzing itself into irrelevance.