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Patrick, you are a guy that gets it. 👍

jazz_music says

Your key mistake is believing that Trump is doing something real for us.

Are we in any new wars? No.

Has the job situation greatly improved? Yes.

Has the stock market gone up? Yes.

You can verify those points easily.

jazz_music says

Are we not at war still in so many places?

Was massive debt not taken on for paltry results?

Are those jobs not lower quality jobs and more temporary with less benefits?

Sure, it’s all true.

Why cling to such grandiose claims then?

Severe TDS

jazz_music says

Are we not at war still in so many places?

Did Trump start any of those? Nope. In fact, he has been pulling out troops, and the Democrats are criticizing him for it.

The economy speaks for itself.

jazz_music says

Are we not at war still in so many places?

Trump was just criticized by your masters for pulling out if Syria. Do you agree w Trump or w CNN?

How many wars did Obama start? What about Bush? Now compare Trump.

At some point you have to admit Trump is at least better than anything we've had for decades.

The idea behind patrick.net is that people can say what they want, however offensive, as long as they don't directly insult the other users or the site itself.

I think @jazz_music is sincere in his opinions, not just saying them to get a reaction, therefore not a troll. I disagree with him, but also feel he has the right to his opinions. He doesn't usually insult any of the other users.

So I'm treating him as I wish to be treated.

Patrick says

So I'm treating him as I wish to be treated.

Good on you.

Besides, the retard TRump Cucks have the sane people outnumbered on this site, by a lot.

Most have left long ago, for reasons that are obvious to anyone with any sense. The ignorance and trolling from overseas paid assholes gets very tiring

Ten years ago there were still a lot of cool people on this site. It's changed. Some people have been through some shit that changed them for the worse. Others just left.

marcus says

The ignorance and trolling from overseas paid assholes gets very tiring.

This is a thing?

Patrick wouldn't ban jazz, nor should he. Use the ignore button if needed

I'm assuming there aren't that many Americans that are that fucking stupid.

And yes. Russia runs huge trolling operations.

CBOEtrader says

nor should he

"b-b-b-but I want this to be a complete and total right wing fascist echo chamber !"

88% isn't enough.

Trump supporters are the same once these days.

It’s leftists who run around with anti white propaganda and agenda these days.

It’s left who wants to replace white people and eliminate.

It’s left prompting sexual vices to minors.

marcus says

Patrick says

So I'm treating him as I wish to be treated.

Good on you.

Besides, the retard TRump Cucks have the sane people outnumbered on this site, by a lot.

Most have left long ago, for reasons that are obvious to anyone with any sense. The ignorance and trolling from overseas paid assholes gets very tiring

Ten years ago there were still a lot of cool people on this site. It's changed. Some people have been through some shit that changed them for the worse. Others just left.

Fortwaynemobile says

It’s left who wants to replace white people and eliminate.

It’s left prompting sexual vices to minors.

This is the kind who who I assume is a russian troll. No human, even totally ignorant could hold such beliefs.

OH yeah. Ignorant hate. That's some powerful shit right there.

TrumpingTits says

delete this asshole's account and all of his posts as well as a block on all the IP addresses the fucker has used in the past to access PatNet.

Where's the fun in that?

marcus says

This is the kind who who I assume is a russian troll. No human, even totally ignorant could hold such beliefs.

OH yeah. Ignorant hate. That's some powerful shit right there.

Everything FortWayne discusses is confirmed in https://hiddentribes.us/

Progressive Activists even hate White People more than any other group.





The irony is the Progressive Activists are the Whitest Group (80%), more so than even the Traditional Conservatives (79% White) and only behind Devoted Conservatives (88% White). And this is self-reported! So it's pretty clear that the Core Dem Base is self-hating.

personal

https://www.edd.ca.gov/disability/

TrumpingTits says

jazz_music says

Hey Tits, ever thought of contributing substantial thought and writing here?

Oh stop the sucking up to Patrick. And stop the projection.

It wouldn't be a free speech site if Patrick started banning people. One of the main gripes you hear from some of the left on this site is that there used to be more "useful", "intelligent" etc. contributors on here but they left the site because "right-wingers", some even claimed unfair moderation. What really happened is that Patrick gave everyone free speech on here and after a few that couldn't take Trump's win left right away many more in the middle were swayed towards recognizing the insanity the leftoids have become today. So we currently have a broader consensus that todays globohomo left is def worse than Trump, even for many who can't stand him. I call this a success of free discourse, albeit on a small scale. There's no better - and due to the insanity of the modern left easier - way to convince somebody than a quick and easy counter to their mindless virtue signaling.

Btw. I can see same rift in the common population and I project a win for Trump in 2020 if he stays in office.

mell says

a few that couldn't take Trump's win left right away

And we know who they were

mell says

we currently have a broader consensus that todays globohomo left is def worse than Trump, even for many who can't stand him.

Agreed. I recall seeing at least a handful of people on this site that have expressed a sentiment reasonably similar to this.

Patrick says

Come on Democrats. Give up on hate and admit that Trump is right about the devastation of the working class which got him elected

Sure I'll admit that hes a good conman, and that he knew how to get elected, in part by tapping into our worst demons (as opposed to our better angels).

I'll even go a step further in admitting endless fascination of those that constantly bend over backwards to defend him, lying over and over and over and over again about the amazing increase of manufacturing jobs since 2016, due to Trump.

I just replaced that graph with the most current one (also showing it further back).

THe actual manufacturing data doesn't look nearly as bad, becasue the bigger cause of manufacturing jobs losses was automation. All the "hand made" type manufacturing jobs that were exported, were exported long ago, decades before Trump, and even Trumps own companies use these.

All the lies about Trumps policies are so blatant and so stupid, it's almost as if what Trump actually tapped in to was ignorance, hate and racism. The rest is just cover, becasue it's hard to admit what it is they actually like about him (that he's an asshole).

The lesson to all of us should be, just imagine if economic times got much worse, is it not obvious how easily fascism would arise ?

We're at war Patrick you need to start deleting subversive posts that serve to undermine our president, and spread misinformation.
If these shitbirds want to read that kind of Shit they can go to Huffington post.

Tenpoundbass says

We're at war Patrick you need to start deleting subversive posts that serve to undermine our president, and spread misinformation.
If these shitbirds want to read that kind of Shit they can go to Huffington post.

If patrick did that it would turn into a boring echo chamber and they are needed to remind us just how crazy dems are.

marcus says

The lesson to all of us should be, just imagine if economic times got much worse, is it not obvious how easily fascism would arise ?

I can see why a serious economic fall could make people become more pro usa, anti competing countries, but I don't see why people would suddenly want a dictator? Is it because you feel ppl might lose all faith in govt and want to try something new and extreme?

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RC2006 says

remind us just how crazy dems are

Yeah, those crazy dems, with their reality based opinions.

marcus says

how easily fascism would arise ?

You can see it in the evil and polarization that's already here.

Tenpoundbass says

We're at war Patrick you need to start deleting subversive posts that serve to undermine our president, and spread misinformation.

mell says

many more in the middle were swayed towards recognizing the insanity the leftoids have become today. So we currently have a broader consensus that todays globohomo left is def worse than Trump, even for many who can't stand him.

I would not call this "globo homo" - it is likely 0.00001%-ers who push the agenda which for some reason is now called left - but I 100% agree with sentiment. Trump even though I do not like him, is much better than the alternative, which was "more of the same which did not work for 99.9% of population". I can look at trUMP as a human hand grenade that hopefully will change something, although I have my doubts.

mell says

What really happened is that Patrick gave everyone free speech on here

It was insisting personal insults were stopped. That's what caused the quitting, the TDS sufferers couldn't find rational reasons to justify their absolute outrage, but weren't allowed ad homs anymore.

MisdemeanorRebel says

It was insisting personal insults were stopped. That's what caused the quitting, the TDS sufferers couldn't find rational reasons to justify their absolute outrage, but weren't allowed ad homs anymore.

I figure it was because those of us who called them out on their shit wouldn't be censored, er...'moderated' on the first place.

On sites like MoveOn.org, etc. posts get deleted before those intended to see them even get a chance to actually see them. So it is quite shocking for them when they encounter a non-censored site.

They hate what happened to Twitter.

Found Socrates quotes while looking about him, he spoke the truth and paid the price!
Socrates, the first critic of Democracy: "Foolish leaders of Democracy, which is a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequaled alike." He believed that not everyone has right to vote. He saw voting as a skill acquired by wisdom

https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/why-socrates-hated-democracy-and-what-we-can-do-about-it/
Socrates was worried about the problems posed by an uneducated and easily lead population having power over the state...
Half of American adults don’t know that each state gets two senators, two thirds don’t know what the FDA does...
“Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms”, so said Winston Churchill, noted champion of democratic ideals. Any government is only as good as its rulers.

Also, there is post from Ishaku Nenfort’s:
Socrates Prediction of the Fall of Democracy.
"Demoracy must fall because it will try to tailor to everyone. The poor will want the wealth of the rich, and democracy will give it to them. Young people will want to be respected as elderly and democracy will give it to them. Women will want to be like men and democracy will give it to them. Foreigners will want the rights of the natives and democracy will give it to them. Thieves and fraudsters will want important government functions, and democracy will give it to them. And at that time, when thieves and fraudsters finally democratically take authority because criminals and evil doers want power, there will be worse dictatorship than in the time of any monarchy or oligarchy."
Socrates (470-399 B.C.)

marcus explain why left is pushing all lgbt crap everywhere, in white house, draping america in rainbow flags and trying to castrate kids? that is evil, it is war on the children

I personally have never liked using the word Democracy in order to describe our system of government. If more people understood what our system really is, perhaps they would insist on our politicians following the tenets of what the Founders really created; a Representative Republic that is based upon the Rule of Law, i.e., the Constitution. Creating and passing legislation according to the whims of the people, i.e., 'Democracy,' is not what our Founders envisioned.

One more quick point; if we suddenly decided to strictly obey the Constitution, at least 90% of the Federal Government, along with the un-constitutional legislation that they have enacted, would have to be done away with. If that happened, what kind of a country do you think we would have? It certainly would not be the oppressive, tax & spend crazy corrupt system that we have now, but would instead, be a true free-market capitalism in which individual freedom would reward hard work and thrift.

marcus says

Most have left long ago, for reasons that are obvious to anyone with any sense. The ignorance and trolling from overseas paid assholes gets very tiring

Hey @marcus - do you want to comment on the trolling from overseas? Do you mean Russia?

I am amazed at what bullshit people believe from the fucking propaganda box and our "leaders" and our stupid blatantly obvious puppets we have as "elected" officials.

You have any idea how easy it is to tally the votes? I do. It's simple accounting, yet with the modern internet, "everybody is baffled."

We have a criminal syndicate in charge, and the only time anybody actually gets elected is by overwhelming majority or if it doesn't matter who is elected, because both candidates are sock puppets.

Russian collusion - just how? Did they fuck with the voting machines, stuff voting ballots - what? How did they do this - nobody can tell me, but I have morons telling me somehow they did, with no idea of what mechanism they did it with.

marcus says

I'm assuming there aren't that many Americans that are that fucking stupid.

And yes. Russia runs huge trolling operations.

Show me one. These are claimed to exist, but nobody will point them out.

marcus says

Fortwaynemobile says

It’s left who wants to replace white people and eliminate.

It’s left prompting sexual vices to minors.

This is the kind who who I assume is a russian troll. No human, even totally ignorant could hold such beliefs.

OH yeah. Ignorant hate. That's some powerful shit right there.

@marcus - I can see his point. It was absolutely unimaginable to me that drag queens would be reading books to children in public schools just 20 years ago. I was in full support of gay marriage, I thought such a thing to be ridiculous as a possibility as pushing homosexuality on kids - but here we are. Why drag queens? I had a women read children's books to me in kindergarten - not some grotesque made up man, to be a parody of a woman. She wasn't beautiful or anything, but was sweet.

I knew her kids, and her husband - good people. She was the town librarian.

Blue says

Socrates Prediction of the Fall of Democracy.
"Demoracy must fall because it will try to tailor to everyone. The poor will want the wealth of the rich, and democracy will give it to them. Young people will want to be respected as elderly and democracy will give it to them. Women will want to be like men and democracy will give it to them. Foreigners will want the rights of the natives and democracy will give it to them. Thieves and fraudsters will want important government functions, and democracy will give it to them. And at that time, when thieves and fraudsters finally democratically take authority because criminals and evil doers want power, there will be worse dictatorship than in the time of any monarchy or oligarchy

I know that the ancient Greeks were generally opposed to a pure democracy because they felt that direct rule by the ignorant could never turn out well.

But after a bit of searching, I can't find this particular quote. What book is it from?

Patrick says

But after a bit of searching, I can't find this particular quote. What book is it from?

I found it from a link, not sure if it was from Socrates or his student's original work.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ishaku-nenfort-b17361254_socrates-prediction-of-the-fall-of-democracy-activity-7125413945951027201--cjr

Careful about Plato and his reports about Socrates!

Plato was an avowed Elitist and the first Global Elitist with the idea of a tiny specially trained Oligarchy ruling over all.