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1   Dbr6   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 24, 9:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Faculty quality is irrelevant. What matters is how many disabled Inuit lesbians are teaching.
2   Shaman   ignore (2)   2020 Jan 24, 9:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Mandatory diversity training for my wife yesterday. She told me about a breakout session where they were asked to describe a situation that made them feel like an outsider due to their race.
A white male stood up, recounting his youth in LA, attending a school that was nearly all black/Latino and a football game where he was picked last (after the team captains chose along racial lines), yet scored the winning goal and was celebrated by his team. The next day, he was back to being ignored and left out of everything by people who, not sharing his ethnicity, weren’t interested to know him.

That sort of turned the discussion on its head!
3   Ceffer   ignore (4)   2020 Jan 24, 10:40am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I just wrote my five page essay on why diversity programs are unjust, insulting, and ineffective. I'm sure I'll get that job at UC now, because I am sure they invite full discussion of all issues.
4   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2020 Jan 24, 10:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

tovarichpeter says
"As Abigail Thompson, chair of the mathematics department at the University of California–Davis, described in a Wall Street Journal editorial: “To score well [on a diversity statement], candidates must subscribe to a particular political ideology, one based on treating people not as unique individuals but as representatives of their gender and ethnic identities. . . . This system specifically excludes those who believe in a tenet of classical liberalism: that each person should be treated as a unique individual, not as a representative of an identity group."


5   georgeliberte   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 24, 4:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A good article about the use of the label 'privilege' used to protect the actually privileged by shifting focus from equality to diversity and blaming lower class white males
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/privilege
6   Ceffer   ignore (4)   2020 Jan 24, 4:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Nothing worse than a 500 pound purple haired IHL astronomer in secretary glasses.
7   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Jan 24, 8:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
Nothing worse than a 500 pound purple haired IHL astronomer in secretary glasses.


Well, then do not date her again.
8   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2020 Jan 25, 8:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shaman says
Mandatory diversity training for my wife yesterday. She told me about a breakout session where they were asked to describe a situation that made them feel like an outsider due to their race.
A white male stood up, recounting his youth in LA, attending a school that was nearly all black/Latino and a football game where he was picked last (after the team captains chose along racial lines), yet scored the winning goal and was celebrated by his team. The next day, he was back to being ignored and left out of everything by people who, not sharing his ethnicity, weren’t interested to know him.

That sort of turned the discussion on its head!

Every white person needs to tell their stories of victimhood. In order to get a seat at the table, we need to get our stories out.
9   porkchopexpress   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 25, 8:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I just learned about Post Traumatic Slavery Disorder (PTSD) through my employer and how it's a real problem among African Americans in today's society that we need to spend resources to address. I'm dead serious.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/slavery-trauma-inherited-genetics
10   Dbr6   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 25, 9:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

porkchopexpress says
I just learned about Post Traumatic Slavery Disorder (PTSD) through my employer and how it's a real problem among African Americans in today's society that we need to spend resources to address. I'm dead serious.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/slavery-trauma-inherited-genetics

Do we qualify? Nearly all population of Europe (other than in Scandinavia) is descended from serfs.
11   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2020 Jan 25, 9:06am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Exactly it’s not really diversity, it’s just @not white men@.

rd6B says
Faculty quality is irrelevant. What matters is how many disabled Inuit lesbians are teaching.
12   Dbr6   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 25, 9:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Fortwaynemobile says
Exactly it’s not really diversity, it’s just @not white men@.

rd6B says
Faculty quality is irrelevant. What matters is how many disabled Inuit lesbians are teaching.

Asian men are bad as well, they are stealthily excluded from "diversity".
13   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jan 25, 9:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

georgeliberte says
A good article about the use of the label 'privilege' used to protect the actually privileged by shifting focus from equality to diversity and blaming lower class white males


Yes, that's a good point.
14   Ceffer   ignore (4)   2020 Jan 25, 10:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
Well, then do not date her again.


Fed her a few gay waiters and cuck boys, then unleashed her at a Donald rally and took bets. A few net guns, tasers and tranquilizer darts, she was dragged back to her lair to sleep it off.
15   thenuttyneutron   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 25, 10:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

georgeliberte says
A good article about the use of the label 'privilege' used to protect the actually privileged by shifting focus from equality to diversity and blaming lower class white males


This sounds very similar to what happened between the newly freed slaves and the white lower classes. The only difference between now and then is that the elites are now siding with the people fighting against the white lower class.
16   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2020 Jan 25, 10:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

You reward people for being victims, everyone will become a victim.
17   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jan 25, 10:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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This may actually be a step in the right direction. That is, better than for example than a Mathematics department not hiring someone becasue they are "White" or Asian (becasue the the department is currently disproportionately White and Asian).

Hear me out.

IT says there is a rubric.That means that the rubric known, it's known what they want to see in that statement.

Academic fields tend to have communities, and the most well known and published "Einsteins" are part of what are often close knit communities. If some rising star working on their post doc at Berkeley or elsewhere is wanted, all they have to do is tell them how to play the game (what the rubric requires in that statement) and they can probably even pressure the Admin people behind the policy to put certain applicants at the head of the list, based on what they bring to the table for research etc..

My point is that I wouldn't worry as much about it keeping the most talented out (the point of the article).

But it does sound awful for the medium to above average talent trying to get hired. They are the ones that will lose out to such practices. And that's still a potential cost to the quality of their faculty.

Still sounds to me like maybe (or hopefully) a little bit if a counter-intuitive game going on there.
18   Dbr6   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 25, 1:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
My point is that I wouldn't worry as much about it keeping the most talented out

So-called woke managed to blacklist discoverer of DNA Watson for non-woke opinions expressed in public. It is time to panic, I think...this BS will repel talent and smart kids will go and do something else.
19   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2020 Jan 25, 1:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
My point is that I wouldn't worry as much about it keeping the most talented out (the point of the article).


Just like I shouldn't worry about what people do in their bedrooms, until they start to teach about it - mandatory - in Classrooms.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-sex-ed-curriculum-overhaul-sexual-education-guidelines-today-2019-05-08/

Smash (Vent?) Leftist Gaslighting
20   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jan 25, 5:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NoCoupForYou says
Smash (Vent?) Leftist Gaslighting


??

Did you read my entire comment ?

My point was simply that having a statement some wanted talent could write is way better than not being able to hire them becasue of their race (or gender).
21   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jan 25, 6:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
georgeliberte says
A good article about the use of the label 'privilege' used to protect the actually privileged by shifting focus from equality to diversity and blaming lower class white males


Yes, that's a good point.


BTW, every use of "equality" should be clarified to mean either:

1. equality of opportunity (a good thing)
2. equality of outcome, regardless of work and talent (a bad thing)

We should all support #1, but the basket of deporables which makes up most of the Democratic Party these days wants only #2.

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