patrick.net

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/hidden-death-toll-doctors-say-people-dying-as-they-avoid-ers-due-to-covid-fears

A pandemic doesn’t stop heart attacks, strokes, serious falls and seizures, said Drummond, who works in Perth, Ont. Yet many people who would normally visit a doctor to check what could be serious symptoms are choosing not to seek help, he said.

Drummond said doctors are noticing that emergency rooms across the country are quieter and, when people do come in, too often the situation is already dire.

“I lost the battle to save a patient last night because they waited too long to come to the hospital,” Dr. Jeff Shaw, a cardiologist in Calgary, posted on Twitter earlier this week.

Patrick says

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/hidden-death-toll-doctors-say-people-dying-as-they-avoid-ers-due-to-covid-fears

A pandemic doesn’t stop heart attacks, strokes, serious falls and seizures, said Drummond, who works in Perth, Ont. Yet many people who would normally visit a doctor to check what could be serious symptoms are choosing not to seek help, he said.

Drummond said doctors are noticing that emergency rooms across the country are quieter and, when people do come in, too often the situation is already dire.

“I lost the battle to save a patient last night because they waited too long to come to the hospital,” Dr. Jeff Shaw, a cardiologist in Calgary, posted on Twitter earlier this week.

I just mentioned that in another thread. This is bullshit - they should put all Covid patients in makeshift hospitals in convention centers and tents/ships and let those other patients get treated - where is the fucking fairness here? CV-19 patients don't need any complex apparatus, just a ventilator and drugs. Let the surgery rooms open up again for all other patients and reduce the contagion within the hospitals.

While the lockdown and fear-mongering have definitely killed people by discouraging them to go to the hospital, the lockdown has also saved lives in other ways:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Sheltering-in-place-had-one-positive-1-billion-15209559.php

In the 22 days after the shelter-in-place order (March 21-April 11), there was an average of 450 vehicle collisions per day throughout the state, according to the study conducted by the Road Ecology Center at UC Davis. During the same period in 2019, there were 1,128 collisions per day. In the 22 days prior to sheltering in place, there were 1,056 accidents per day.

“The reduction in traffic crashes, injuries and fatalities is a bit of a silver lining for people who are staying at home and who are impacted by the pandemic,” said UC Davis Road Ecology Center director and project lead author Fraser Shilling.

"The reduction in numbers of all collisions, injury, and fatal collision was equivalent to a $40 million/day savings in costs and about $1 billion in savings since the Governor’s order went into effect," the study concluded. The figures were calculated using Federal Highway Administration data, which includes savings from "property damage, treatment of injuries, lost time at work, emergency responses, insurance claims, and the equivalent cost of a life."

There's so much lamestream media misinformation and deliberate focus on irrelevant fake news such as total cases. Who cares? We've already crossed 10% of total cases as recovered, probably many more as reporting for recovered cases lags. Only active cases are important and you will see those going down fast at some point like they're now doing in Europe. We may reach more recovered than active cases within 2-3 weeks or sooner. Opening up early May is paramount.

mell says

There's so much lamestream media misinformation and deliberate focus on irrelevant fake news such as total cases. Who cares? We've already crossed 10% of total cases as recovered, probably many more as reporting for recovered cases lags. Only active cases are important and you will see those going down fast at some point like they're now doing in Europe. We may reach more recovered than active cases within 2-3 weeks or sooner. Opening up early May is paramount.

This is all very likely correct. I don’t understand where people are getting information on doomsday scenarios.

Specifically:

-it’s never going away
-we can’t open until there’s a vaccine
-it’s going to spread everywhere
-death rate is 3-4%

In particular I can’t understand why anyone is reading opinion pieces on this when the actual facts of countries ahead of us on this are readily available and very accurate. Additionally if you want expert opinion, the foremost experts are on press briefings every single day on every news channel. And if you wanted and don’t trust ours, pretty sure you could find information from their counterparts in other countries.

Instead you have people relying on opinion pieces by dangerous idiots like Jeff Hwang, a leftist from birth:

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/04/09/why-re-open-the-las-vegas-strip.aspx

Not an expert, not relying on experts or facts. But putting himself out there as one. Fucking asshole.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

dangerous idiots like Jeff Hwang

Sounds Chinese.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

-we can’t open until there’s a vaccine

The funny part is even with a vaccine, people will still die from it. In 10 years we'll be talking about Covid-19 deaths spiking during a "bad" flu season. Which goes to your other point, this shit doesn't just go away.

These are undeniable facts, both which we have zero control over. You don't have to know math or be a scientist to know this. Everyone is gonna get this bad boy whether we vaccinate or not. The "curve" has been flattened. Get back to work!

Coworker told me he was pulled over and cop told him it was because his window was down and he didn't have a mask on WTF. Is this one stupid cop or us this bullshit more widespread?

www.youtube.com/embed/dCo0q9ZM62w#

De Blasio's COVID-19-Lockdown Snitch-Line Flooded With Penis Pics And Memes

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eat-bag-dicks-de-blasios-covid-19-lockdown-snitch-line-flooded-penis-pics-and-memes

I think he accomplished what he set out to do in life...
Get a flood of penis pics to salivate over and...to feel like a woman for the first time in his life

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/21/business/coronavirus-chinese-restaurants/index.html

Coronavirus' toll on Chinese restaurants is devastating

As of April 15, 59% of independent Chinese restaurants across America had completely stopped taking debit and credit card transactions, indicating they have ceased operations, according to Womply, a data subscription service. Womply tracks credit and debit card transactions to provide market insights to 10 million small businesses.
Restaurants across the United States are suffering under the business shutdowns in place because of the pandemic, but Chinese restaurants are by far the worst-hit segment of the industry, Womply reported.

Many Chinese restaurants won't survive the coronavirus pandemic without targeted government intervention, advocates warn.

Prior to the coronavirus outbreak, 270 restaurants operated in New York's Chinatown, according to Wellington Chen, executive director of Manhattan's Chinatown Partnership Local Development Corporation. Only 40 remain open, Chen told CNN Business on Friday.

A large number of Chinese restaurants in San Francisco's Chinatown neighborhood have similarly ceased operations, according to Malcolm Yeung, executive director of the city's Chinatown Community Development Center. Yeung, who also serves as a board member for the local Chinese Chamber of Commerce, said San Francisco's Chinatown usually has about 150 Chinese restaurants in business, but now only 40 remain in operation.

Although Chinese restaurants around the world have become synonymous with takeout and delivery, many traditional Chinese restaurants offer only dine-in service. Yeung and Chen noted many traditional Chinese restaurants in major cities' Chinatown districts shun delivery services such as GrubHub, because those services charge high fees.
"These [Chinese restaurants] were on thin operating margins before," Yeung explained. "Transitioning over to [tech] delivery is going to make that even thinner."
Chen said he hopes Chinese restaurants will receive targeted relief funding and programs from the local, state and federal government. "If we don't get the breaks, we cannot break even," Chen said.

Congress is expected to approve a deal to replenish the federal government's Paycheck Protection Program, which last month quickly depleted its $349 billion economic-rescue fund for small businesses. Some of those funds would be set aside for under-served businesses, including those run by minorities.
A large portion of the nation's Chinese restaurants are independent and lack the capital reserves held by corporate chains, which may be better positioned to weather the financial storm from the coronavirus, said a spokesperson for P.F. Chang, which has more than 200 US restaurants.

The spokesperson said the Asian cuisine chain's takeout and delivery business has "doubled in size" since mid-March.
"The model that every type of restaurant across our country must currently operate under is, fortunately, one that we know well and are exceptionally good at," a P.F. Chang's spokesperson said via email.

zzyzzx says

"These [Chinese restaurants] were on thin operating margins before,"

Restaurants are tough businesses. I don't eat Chinese food often, but aren't the ingredients some of the cheapest you can get? Half the food is rice with sauces covering for low grade meat products with fuck loads of sodium. I don't think price wise entrees at another chain are more expensive to purchase, but Chinese food has to be cheap as shit expense wise for the owners. I'd think Chinese restaurants would have some of the highest margins in the biz, but I could be wrong.

Two doctors talking about covid19 low death rate and states should reopen.

https://www-kget-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.kget.com/health/coronavirus/doctors-provide-differing-opinion-on-shelter-in-place-order/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15876883285610&_ct=1587688334703&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kget.com%2Fhealth%2Fcoronavirus%2Fdoctors-provide-differing-opinion-on-shelter-in-place-order%2F

Pronounced 'Woooohan'.......woohoo sounds better. To answer your original question 'Anyone wants to risk a bet on the eventual number of sick people? Dead people? how about including how many people who will wish they were dead after going through all this BS.

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/they-demand-unemployment-biz-owner-shocked-angry-response-when-she-tells-staff

"They Demand Unemployment" - Biz Owner Shocked At Angry Response When She Tells Staff Their Paychecks Will Resume

jazz_music says

The exponential increase in new cases is seen since mid March, that is about 5 weeks ago.

Yes, we know extremely senior citizens are scared to fucking death by the Wuflu. Can I interest you in a free cruise?

https://babylonbee.com/news/aoc-drops-by-unemployment-office-to-tell-people-how-lucky-they-are-not-to-have-jobs

AOC Drops By Unemployment Office To Tell People How Lucky They Are Not To Have Oppressive Jobs
April 22nd, 2020



NEW YORK, NY—In a rare visit to her district, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dropped by the unemployment office to explain to everyone why losing their jobs was actually a good thing.

Ocasio-Cortez explained how those who had worked for oil companies were involved in an inherently evil industry. Furthermore, she said, by losing their jobs, they were pushing America closer and closer to a socialist utopia where nobody works. Finally, she told them they had thrown off the capitalist shackles of work and income.

"What a great turnout today!" she said cheerily as she turned on her megaphone, though she was shouting into it backward until an aide helped her turn it around. "Work and income are capitalist constructs! You should be thankful! I'm just so excited to see that everyone here, like, is totally ready for a socialist workers' paradise. Like, if nobody works, then the government just has to pay for our stuff, because, like, otherwise, money wouldn't exist."

Nobody seemed to understand her, but she pressed on. "Anyway, just keep fighting the good fight and topple our capitalist overlords!"

"You love to see it!"

She tripped on her shoelaces and fell on the way out, but an aide was ready to free her with a pair of scissors he always keeps handy just for such an occasion.

Booger says

Density, density, density.... Living on top of each other makes this shit spread. TX has Houston for population comparable to Chicago, but it's not as packed in as the cities in the states listed for Dems. FL has Miami, but I think we're seeing the clear impact of UV rays on a virus lasting on surfaces and in the air there. FL is kind of purple anyway, always a battleground state.

Either way, demographics and density besides the virus itself is what should be the focus and everyone else can open up. Instead people are getting their nuts in a bind over cases to fatality rates with a super small sample size even being tested. But hey, freak out.

WookieMan says

Density, density, density.... Living on top of each other makes this shit spread.

Correct. That's why it's criminal for the Democrats to advocate and enforce anti-sprawl laws. Those laws aiming at raising population density murder people every year, during the flu season.

WookieMan says

Density, density, density....

Density explains the greater spread of Wuhan virus in Democrat states, and also explains why dense areas vote Democrat to begin with.

Rural areas at all times and in all countries value self-reliance more than cities do, and necessarily so, since the resources of the cities are far away, by definition.

Cities, on the other hand, value government more than rural areas, since the greater density requires more government to manage: crime, garbage, boundary lines.