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What's More Dangerous, Wuhan Virus Or Our Reaction?

By Patrick follow Patrick   2020 Mar 18, 6:21pm 1,548 views   63 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/covid-chaos-whats-more-dangerous-virus-or-our-reaction

Wuhan Virus is spreading, generating more headlines, greater anxiety and paranoia, and, of course, cancellations and closings. It’s high time to ask a critical question: Could our reaction to the fear of COVID-19 do more harm than the virus itself? ...

A good deal of this panic is the result of the nigh constant and almost exclusively apocalyptic coverage in the news. Just as the left-leaning media like to hype up the number of gun deaths – the majority of which are suicides – but ignore medical mistakes, as if doctors don’t kill far more Americans than firearms, they’re now using Coronavirus as a way to target President Trump. See how terribly he’s handling this deadly pandemic? Do you really want to vote this guy back into office for a second term? It’s selective outrage: The media choose to highlight the issues that further the leftist agenda. ...

Coronavirus is not flu, no matter how many times the two are compared. The reproduction number is about twice as high for COVID-19, meaning that the average sick person is expected to infect twice as many people as they would with influenza. That aside, while the Coronavirus is believed to have a much deadlier potential than the seasonal flu, that doesn’t change the fact that COVID-19 has claimed — according to the CDC as of March 16 — 6,606 lives globally, with 41 of those being in the United States.

The flu season is still in full swing, and the CDC doesn’t like to give exact numbers because not all cases are known, but so far America has lost between 22,000 and 55,000 to influenza since October of last year. Coronavirus has a lot of catching up to do if it’s going to live up to the hype that it’s more dangerous than seasonal flu...

When the dust settles, how many people will be left without a job, a ride, or even a home? When it’s all said and done, the 2019-2020 Coronavirus death toll will almost certainly be just a drop in the bucket compared to boring old influenza. This won’t make the books as one of the greatest plagues in history, but the economic collapse caused by our panic just might.

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24   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 19, 9:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2020/03/18/poll-finds-the-economic-impact-of-covid-19-is-more-of-a-concern-than-the-health-effects.html

"Canadians are more worried about the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic than they are over the health effects of the virus, a new poll suggests.

The Campaign Research survey provided to the Star found a staggering 99 per cent of respondents are aware of the crisis — and 93 per cent are worried about the economy.

“You just never see those kinds of numbers,” Richard Ciano, a principal of Campaign Research, said Wednesday.""
25   georgeliberte   ignore (0)   2020 Mar 19, 9:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/National-parks-are-open-with-some-changes-15142095.php
"Sir, I am going to have to ask you to keep the pic-a-nic baskets away from the bear; he is smarter than the av-er-age bear!"
26   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 19, 9:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2020/03/18/poll-finds-the-economic-impact-of-covid-19-is-more-of-a-concern-than-the-health-effects.html

"Canadians are more worried about the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic than they are over the health effects of the virus, a new poll suggests.

The Campaign Research survey provided to the Star found a staggering 99 per cent of respondents are aware of the crisis — and 93 per cent are worried about the economy.

“You just never see those kinds of numbers,” Richard Ciano, a principal of Campaign Research, said Wednesday.""

Yup.... and then you get this stupidity.....

Tim Aurora says
Now that we have established that exponential diseases , especially the one that are asymptomatic initially can suddenly creep up on us , like a wildfire and a storm , are very hard to comprehend for the normal folks till it is too late.here is an article for you


“The Imperial College London group reported that if nothing was done by governments and individuals and the pandemic remained uncontrolled, 510,000 would die in Britain and 2.2 million in the United States over the course of the outbreak,” The Post reports. Even if we now institute uniform, serious measures to mitigate the spread of the virus, we would “reduce mortality by half, to 260,000 people in the United Kingdom and 1.1 million in the United States.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/18/trumps-li...
27   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 19, 9:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Maybe the pond will fucking get full. Maybe 3-4% of it..... #Guam
28   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 19, 10:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
53,687.091.20 or 5,368,709,120 pennies. What does that have to do with the kung flu? Are you trying to say the whole world will get the flu?


The first number is a little less than the total number of Americans (not Globally) that got H1N1 back in the Obama Era: ~60M from memory, I believe.
29   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 19, 11:14am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NoCoupForYou says
Onvacation says
53,687.091.20 or 5,368,709,120 pennies. What does that have to do with the kung flu? Are you trying to say the whole world will get the flu?


The first number is a little less than the total number of Americans (not Globally) that got H1N1 back in the Obama Era: ~60M from memory, I believe.

But the pond is full of lily pads. You're not taking this seriously.
30   mell   ignore (6)   2020 Mar 19, 11:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
NoCoupForYou says
Onvacation says
53,687.091.20 or 5,368,709,120 pennies. What does that have to do with the kung flu? Are you trying to say the whole world will get the flu?


The first number is a little less than the total number of Americans (not Globally) that got H1N1 back in the Obama Era: ~60M from memory, I believe.

But the pond is full of lily pads. You're not taking this seriously.


I find myself agreeing more and more with you but the question is what would we have done with the dying. I don't think any politician can afford to say "sorry those that don't make it are collateral damage, we all have to die at some point" - also at least in France many younger seem to be critically affected. However it is still questionable if it ever reaches the size of the swine flu. We can't get many other doctor services in the bay area because they are all "concentrating" on Covid. How is that balance determined? You're a paying healthcare customer, had some tests done, got the bill, and now they say "sorry - no treatment until further notice!" - I would not pay those bills, I mean everybody has a right to treatment, no? Who gets to decide that? Of corse you could turn to a Dr who keeps their services open but likely your insurance won't work there. Lot of people economically impacted significantly may cause more stress and lives that this. I went on a run yesterday and GG Park was PACKED - as soon as the sun came out people simply couldn't stay indoors anymore. You could still maintain 6 ft distance but it was busy, and frankly it was good to see that life as we know it didn't cease. We shall see.
31   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Mar 19, 12:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
elephant in the room that got Trump elected: the severe harms of globalization.


That's your take.

My view is that he conned people about something that they are frustrated about that has already happened, history, as if he can change or undo it. He's more or less con artist grifter. It would hurt too much to comprehend that you fell for a con. Perhaps there were several other things that appealed to you about his con. It was disegned for the Fox/Brietbart viewer. That is one of those groups I was referring to.

marcus says
The so called information age has only made people better at believing what they want, because they can always find plenty of people that are with them no matter how stupid the point of view. Hence the flat earthers, Trump, 97 genders, etc.


"Trump" was a shorthand for the Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, talk Radio, and Brietbart audience (any combination of those)
33   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 19, 12:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
something that they are frustrated about that has already happened, history, as if he can change or undo it.


Trump was making a good effort to mitigate the severe harms of globalization on US workers.

But coronavirus is going to put the fight against harmful globalization into TURBO MODE!

This is very good in the long run.
34   socal2   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 19, 12:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
My view is that he conned people about something that they are frustrated about that has already happened, history, as if he can change or undo it.


Will the Democrat argument be this Fall that Biden and the Democrats can't undo previous bad decisions on globalization (in particular with China) and we just have to suck it up and learn to live with pandemics and having our supply chains held hostage?

Are the Democrats "conned" in thinking we have no power to correct bad decisions?

Got to say, that is not too "Progressive"!
35   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 19, 12:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

socal2 says
Got to say, that is not too "Progressive"!



Lol, yes, as Democrats betray absolutely everything they once stood for, they certainly should lose the "progressive" label.

They are very conservative about changing the globalization that has fucked US workers, and has now fucked the whole planet.
36   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 19, 1:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/817974987/every-single-individual-must-stay-home-italy-s-coronavirus-deaths-pass-china-s

2nd to last paragraph.

Remuzzi says he is now hearing information about it from general practitioners. "They remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November," he says. "This means that the virus was circulating, at least in [the northern region of] Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China."


THIS, is the fucking problem. Fucking Chinese ass hoes. It's a sheer numbers game. This has been spreading here likely for months and nobody knew it. I knew this fucking thing has been around since October/November. It's almost impossible that you haven't been exposed if you've been on a train, plane, concert, sporting event, any event since Jan/Feb.
37   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 20, 5:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The Media is a major part of the Problem



If the Media we have today was around 80 years ago:

"The only thing we have to fear,is, fear itself."
"Is it possible that your impulse to put a positive spin on things may be giving Americans a false sense of hope?”
38   BayArea   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 20, 7:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Why does the left say that Trump called the CoronaVirus a hoax? Is it because they are careless assholes or disingenuous assholes?
39   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 20, 7:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This is CNN

Stay tuned for expert advice on the Trump Virus...
40   Y   ignore (3)   2020 Mar 20, 9:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Why are you changing the denomination?
This is a trick question...

marcus says
If someone gives you one penny today, 2 pennies tomorrow, 4 pennies the following day and so on, how much money have you received have after 31 days ?

Do you think it's more than 50,000 dollars ?
41   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 20, 9:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

How about: “Which is more deadly, Wuhan virus or Fentanyl (made in China) and heroin sent across our border by Mexican cartels and distributed by Mexicans in the USA?”

The only president who has mentioned this problem is Donald Trump.

Tens of thousands of people die from drug overdoses every year.
42   mell   ignore (6)   2020 Mar 21, 9:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Fuck CNN. Fuck Sean Penn. Actually in the bay area yesterday most counties added a handful of cases, down from the growth in the 20s per county. The lockdown is working but the media will milk this and try to attack orange man bad! whenever they can. There is actually a shortage of protective gear sind it can not be reused much which does piss me off, but there's no shortages of hospital beds yet. Still they postponed most visits and put in person treatments on hold for many patients, some.of them need the care or surgery critically. It's interesting how they weigh/value lives differently. It should probably go by age but it doesn't necessarily.
43   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 21, 9:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

clambo says
The only president who has mentioned this problem is Donald Trump.


Yes, the rest of them and all of Congress are on China's payroll, via Wall Street. It was political corruption which sank the US.

There was a ton of money to be made by closing US factories and opening them in China instead. American consumers used to have savings which could be used to buy Chinese shit, so we just spent the last two decades impoverishing middle America and enriching the Middle Kingdom by moving all the factories and making ourselves dependent on China for just about everything.

This also explains the dramatic rise in imaginary "racism". This was the excuse for gutting the country to benefit the 1%. See, since all those impoverished workers are "racist", the elite didn't have to feel guilty about killing them by exporting their jobs and handing out fentanyl.

Anyone who accuses white people of "racism" is complicit in this treason. Sure, they make these accusations because of their own hatreds and insecurities, but it was funded and encouraged by Wall Street to squash any resistance to the profitable gutting of America.

Punch the next person you hear talking about how "racist" white people are. (First explain how their bogus accusations were used to kill the United States.) Also, we need to disband and burn down NPR, the NY Times, the SPLC, and all the other organizations that excused the gutting of America by yelling "racism" over and over for 20 years in order to help the globalists make us slaves of China.
44   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Mar 21, 10:08am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

:

Ohhhh Nooooo. We sent all of our manufacturing to China ! It's the libs people. They're knowingly murdering us all with their desire to HAVE everything manufactured in china !. And this all just happened in the past few years, which is why I only suddenly became obsessed with this message in the past couple years.

Quick, the obvious solution is more tax cuts for the wealthy !!

45   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 21, 10:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Anecdote for Patrick herewith:
10 years ago I was helping my parent who was very ill who lived in a quaint small town in Connecticut.
I was dating someone from a nearby town who was of a different religion.
She commented that my town was nice, but she thought it was too “white bread.”
I pulled the car to the side of the road and told her I was white and considered that an insult and would she like to walk or hitch hike home?
46   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Mar 21, 10:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

:
Yeah ! Right on brother ! Preach !
47   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Mar 21, 10:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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IT seems like the best cars, electronics, cameras and all kinds of things were made in other countries (not China) back in the 80 and 90s (some way before). Much of it was Japan.

How did the libs get away with it so well back then and for so long, but now the very smartest critical thinkers out there are finally calling those fucking libtards out on their anti-American treason ?
48   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 21, 10:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

clambo says
Anecdote for Patrick herewith:
10 years ago I was helping my parent who was very ill who lived in a quaint small town in Connecticut.
I was dating someone from a nearby town who was of a different religion.
She commented that my town was nice, but she thought it was too “white bread.”
I pulled the car to the side of the road and told her I was white and considered that an insult and would she like to walk or hitch hike home?


Absolutely!

It was nice of you to even give a warning.

We need to start getting very clear with anyone who spews bullshit charges of "racism".
49   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Mar 21, 10:18am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

:
If someone lives in a diverse area, and they visit an all white town, and make any observation about it being noticeable that it's all white, and that they are accustomed to and prefer more diversity, such as in NY, that's incredibly racist. You were right to be offended.
50   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 21, 10:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A white person being called "racist" is the same level of insult as a black person being called "nigger".

What would a black person do in that case?

That is exactly what a white person should do.
51   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Mar 21, 10:30am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

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I think we're all racist.

I miss simpler times on Patrick.net, when we could all enjoy Patricks posts about black crime statistics, and how blacks really do commit more violent crime than white folks.

Patrick gets it. Being obsessed with spreading the truth isn't racism. I mean the topic might be race, and if someone feels that too many people aren't well enough informed about really true differences in races, that's not racism.

Wanting to think a lot about race doesn't make someone a racist. What if your main thought about race is how too many people are calling members of your own race racist ? That's certainly not racism. I don't know why some white folks aren't more obsessed with this. They must actually be the racists.
52   richwicks   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 25, 12:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tim Aurora says
Here is a quiz- A single lily pad in the pond spawns a new lily every day and each spawned lily also gets to spawn a new lily everyday. It takes the 100 days to fill the whole pond. So how many days does it take to fill approximately 3-4% of the pond.


100 days to fill 1/1 of the pond
99 days to fill 1/2 the pond
98 days to fill 1/4 of the pond
97 days to fill 1/8 of the pond
96 days to fill 1/16 of the pond
95 days to fill 1/32 of the pond

1/32 = 3.125% so 95 days.

That must be a huge pond as well. In 100 days, there would be 2^100 lily pads which works out to 1.26765060023e30. The Earth only has 196,936,994 mi² of surface area, converting that to square feet is 196,936,994 5280 5280 = 5,490,288,293,529,600 square feet. even fitting 100 lilly pads in a square foot wouldn't be enough. Hell, I think if you ever had an organism that reproduced at 1 per day and didn't die off pretty quickly, you'd have a black hole in short order, regardless of the size.
53   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 25, 12:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

@richwicks Somehow that comment got flagged, but not by any particular person. Might be a bug.

Did you post it while logged in, or like this? :

54   georgeliberte   ignore (0)   2020 Mar 25, 1:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This whole thing has become a 'hail Mary' pass for the Democratic Party. Mt left Democrat co-workers become excited at the slightest suggestion that thing are o at least maybe better than we are being told.
I do not totally agree with this guy, but, he has an interesting view:
https://www.kitco.com/news/2020-03-25/Robert-Kiyosaki-says-self-isolation-is-making-people-realize-they-got-screwed-by-system.html
But this guy is worth reading; “The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic,” he says. “But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco,” with policymakers relying on “meaningless” statistics based on unreliable samples":
https://www.thecollegefix.com/stanford-epidemiologist-warns-that-coronavirus-crackdown-is-based-on-bad-data/
56   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 25, 5:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

2.5% of Californians have filed for unemployment in last 2 weeks
57   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 25, 5:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
If someone gives you one penny today, 2 pennies tomorrow, 4 pennies the following day and so on, how much money have you received have after 31 days ?

Do you think it's more than 50,000 dollars ?

More than 200,000 dollars ?

Calculator time 2^30 = ?

I think your math is off here. If you're trying to sum 2^0 + 2^1 + 2^2 + ... 2^30, The answer is: 2^31 - 1.

There's also a question of what "after 31 days" means. Does that mean you also get a payment of 2^31? If so then you're looking at 2^32 - 1.

Answers are in pennies, so, as you mentioned, divide by 100 to compare to dollars.
58   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 28, 2:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The Media be like:

The two that got away .....
🎬@BobMenery pic.twitter.com/Q5n8DT1t4h

— Harry Theocharous (@TheocharousH) March 28, 2020


(Vid at link)
59   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 28, 2:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
:
I think we're all racist.

I miss simpler times on Patrick.net, when we could all enjoy Patricks posts about black crime statistics, and how blacks really do commit more violent crime than white folks.

Patrick gets it. Being obsessed with spreading the truth isn't racism. I mean the topic might be race, and if someone feels that too many people aren't well enough informed about really true differences in races, that's not racism.

Wanting to think a lot about race doesn't make someone a racist. What if your main thought about race is how too many people are calling members of your own race racist ? That's certainly not racism. I don't know why some white folks aren't more obsessed with this. They must actually be the racists.

What? You're talking like some of our Patnet drunks right now. That post was around noon central time too.

I get it's spring break or your job is shut down likely, but WTF was that comment? Seriously? It makes no sense... unless English isn't your first language.
61   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Apr 5, 11:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

People in Angola are simply disobeying the orders to stay home.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200405-better-die-of-this-disease-than-starve-angolans-defy-virus-lockdown

"How can anyone stay home without anything to eat?" asked Garcia Landu, a motorcycle taxi driver in the bustling Angolan seaside capital of Luanda.

He ventured out to try and earn a living, defying the government-ordered anti-coronavirus restrictions.

"We have responsibilities towards our families. We have to go out and get food," said Landu, sporting a helmet in the national red-and-black colours.

It's "better to die of this disease or a gunshot than to starve to death," he said. "To starve to death, I will never, ever accept that. I can't".

Days after the government declared a state of emergency and imposed restrictions on March 26, crowds continue to mass at markets, in front of shops or by water points in Luanda.

Under the restrictions, President Joao Lourenco has banned travel, meetings and public activities as the country reported 10 infections with two deaths.
62   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2020 Apr 5, 12:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The Muslims in Bradford actually inspired me; they got the British Government to back down on LGBTQ.

Imagine, imagine, if ordinary,non-pink haired or elderly hippies got mad enough to do things like picket while keeping their kids from school until the "Holy Expert Authorities" backed down.

Imagine California having to explain why the arrested 200 protesting small business owners after letting 1000s of criminals out on early release.
63   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Apr 5, 12:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Imagine California having to explain why the arrested 200 protesting small business owners after letting 1000s of criminals out on early release.

California leaders will not have to explain anything. Business owners will disperse as soon as the cuff/fines come out. Remember, this California government is in power without having to "explain" the excess homeless numbers, the feces everywhere, and the total lack of immigration enforcement.

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