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And don’t forget Trump made Obama show a birth certificate yet Trump doesn’t show his tax filing.
Unfortunately I won't be taking some random individuals word for it. Got any links Marcus and I would love to see them.
At the same time, the state’s coroners — tasked with investigating suspicious deaths — have grown increasingly frustrated by the Health Department’s reluctance to seek their help.
Some have said the department’s numbers did not match what coroners were seeing. Those concerns caught the attention of State Sen. Judy Ward (R., Blair), who is advocating for a bill that would give coroners a bigger role in the crisis.
“There’s a discrepancy in the numbers,” Charles E. Kiessling Jr., president of the Pennsylvania Coroners Association and coroner in Lycoming County, said Thursday. “I’m not saying there’s something going on.... I’m not a conspiracy theory guy. But accuracy is important.”
It’s a matter of public safety, Kiessling said.
The confusion began Sunday, when Pennsylvania raised its coronavirus death toll to 1,112 — an increase of 276 overnight. On Tuesday, the department reported another spike, from 1,204 to 1,564 deaths.
In both cases, Levine said the surges reflected deaths that occurred days, even weeks, in the past.
“These deaths did not happen overnight,” Levine said Sunday.
The jump that day, first blamed on a computer glitch, was explained as a “reconciliation” of multiple reporting systems and the “culmination of that data-validating effort.” Levine also said the “significant increase” included “probable positive” COVID-19 deaths, as well as deaths confirmed with a test.
On Tuesday, Levine reported 300 probable deaths in the day’s count but appeared to indicate the situation was new.
“We will now be reporting probable deaths related to COVID-19 in addition to confirmed deaths,” she said.
That same day, department spokesperson Nate Wardle told Spotlight PA some probable deaths had been included in the count for at least a week or maybe longer.
Then, on Wednesday, Wardle backtracked, saying that although probable deaths had been added to the reporting systems as of April 13, the day before federal guidance changed, they weren’t included in the state’s official count until Tuesday.
*"New York Gov. Cuomo says Trump has no authority to impose quarantine: ‘It would be illegal’"*
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/ny-gov-cuomo-says-trump-has-no-authority-to-impose-quarantine.html
A great leader wouldn't be having these problems. Trump might have a few of these qualities but not enough to be considered a great leader. Check out #20.
He definitely lacks that.
Yet Obama was always at fault 😂 sad
Lol, @wookieman who is blaming an airborne virus on an individual? Do you know what a straw man argument is?
logic saysLol, @wookieman who is blaming an airborne virus on an individual? Do you know what a straw man argument is?
Interesting, I never referenced you. Never said the word you or used your username in my comment. Why would you think it was directed at you? I'm also not sure why you're arguing about arguments. Seems silly.
I'm a bit confused. Did you not say someone was trolling? One who is arguing that Trump started the virus? Sorry if I misunderstood this.
Severe sufferers of TDS think that if you don't hate Trump you support everything he does. Take a pill.
Time to place the blame squarely where it should be, on the president.
logic saysI question why you say someone is making an argument that is obviously not being made.
It's an airborne virus, anyone blaming it on any individual is slightly retarded.
Still don’t see a point here?
those 2 arguments are not the same. It appears to me that you are trying to say a user is making an argument that they are not and I am calling you out on that. Is that not allowed?
. I find it odd that if this came from china the east coast has been hit the hardest.
Why say someone is making an argument they are not making?
Last I checked he was the president and at the beginning he denied there was a problem, now some how that's new York's fault? It's sad that some are so deranged that they can't find Trump at fault for anything, it's always someone else's fault.
It's a virus. Trump, Bush, Obama, etc. ain't gonna stop it. It's going to kill who it's going to kill. But hey, Trump bad.
I am saying Trump is a terrible leader and he responded poorly to the virus. I never once said that he is responsible for the virus
It didn't offer any real proof of over counting just that it is unclear if it is happening or not.
I'm not going to find it but I've said how much debt we have incurred under Trump.
Now you have called me a retard for the second time (first time was the tax argument). I'm dyslexic I've had difficulty with reading and writing my whole life. I write here because it's good practice.
That you assumed I was talking about lives lost is not on me. I'm talking about wealth loss. But somehow his slow and terrible response is everyone else's fault.
People really make themselves look stupid trying to protect Trump all the time.
Well accept for the FACT that fiscal response was achieved by taking on debt. Funny you overlook this connection. If US debt loads are not related to fiscal response please explain where the money has come from for our fiscal response if not from new debt?
Only because they pay most into the federal coffers. Red states tend to suck on governments tit while blue states are the government tit that gets sucked on.
I am shitting on Trump's poor and slow response and saying a better response might have caused less debt to be incurred.
I am shitting on Trump's poor and slow response and saying a better response might have caused less debt to be incurred.
Shaman sayshe should have kept everything running and we’d have not needed ANY stimulus bills!
My point exactly a leader might have achieved this. Trump did not.
How? What response would have been better?
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of…in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, who harness old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the world.
the volumes of reasons that have been offered to suggest that Trump is actually the grifting petty liar he appears to always have been as far back as the examples of racial housing discrimination in Section 8 subsidized buildings
So you’re saying that Trump hasn’t been partisan enough.
But the opposition is afflicted by blind hatred?
jazz_music saysimported laborers from Poland which he refused to pay
Trump use illegal aliens, inconceivable
marcus saysMisc saysYes, cancer deaths, pneumonia deaths, deaths from the flu, and deaths from heart issues are all down and can be attributed to blindly ascribing Covid as the cause of death.
Interesting. Would you please share source(s) on this ?
www.youtube.com/embed/K8E_zMLCRNg
Do you really think there is nothing Trump could have done differently in his response that might have made for a better response?
It's the speaking and behavior that I question and how it calms the fears of a country.
Did I say there was?
Is that the year? So 40 plus years of using illegal labor.
Sad😢
. (Trump was also found to have improperly withheld compensation in the undocumented Polish worker controversy.)
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474726/
The posted article doesn't address why or if over counting is happening It's really not a source for the argument trying to be made.
I referred to straw man fallacylogic says
I had to endure straw man after straw manlogic says
with the same straw man.logic says
the straw men keep coming out to play.
Those who try to argue Trump doesn't lie are obviously deranged.
Do you honestly believe that this country got shut down without people having fear?
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Wait, 3 percent of 1 percent?
Yes, 100 times smaller than 3 percent.
Say 100,000 die out of 300M people (actually, the population is even larger than that). That's 0.0003.
So, since 0.0086 of the US dies every year on average, this could bump up the US death rate by 3 / 86 = 3.5% this year.
Except not it wouldn't even be that much, because a large fraction of those who die weren't going to make it through a normal 2020 anyway.
It's still not at all clear that this was worth imploding the economy for. Remember that 81,000 died of the flu in 2018 and no one even blinked.