patrick.net

thegatewaypundit.com, thedonald.win and the othermccain.com are good.

Yes, they are good, but not very systematic.

The goal of this new site would be to collect massive amounts of irrefutable documentation on the utterly debased globalist corruption at the heart of NPR and the NY Times, etc and how this directly serves the interest of those who are gutting America for profit.

rox42 says

othermccain.com

Should be https://theothermccain.com/

Patrick says

Perhaps there should be a daily counter-propaganda "newspaper" online dedicated solely to exposing the daily lies, distortions, and omissions on NPR and in the NY Times and similar globalist propaganda outlets.

How about this: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/20/opinion/trump-impeachment-testimony.html

And then this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/world/americas/what-happens-when-you-fight-a-deep-state-that-doesnt-exist.html

Who really cares about the NYTimes? It died once Judith Miller went to work there. Why expend the effort of showing that they produce propaganda? Anybody that would actually bother to read it, already knows.

ThreeBays says

What about one that exposes the daily lies, distortions, and omissions of right-wing media?

That was the Daily Show in 2005. Also Rachael Maddow, who now does this:

www.youtube.com/embed/DKuIjT-k-C8

or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5exiuko3-nQ

It's pretty simple, if it's from an "authoritative source" as defined as Wikipedia - it's propaganda. Heck, Sean Hannity sometimes makes sense, that doesn't mean he didn't spend 6 years lying about weapons of mass destruction for the Bush administration.

ThreeBays says

What about

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Patrick says

Provable lies, distortions, and omissions on NPR and in the NY Times

I would love, that. With unbiased analysis until a panel of non partisan intellects of the highest order make a ruling on on whether each lie is legit.

I would love that, for two reasons. One it would hold them accountable. Two, it would alert the right wingers and right wing media world how exaggerated their claim are.

Patrick says

ThreeBays says

What about

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

It is completely valid to point out to somebody complaining about party X, that party Y is equivalently bad, or worse.

It's a demonstration that the government is bad, not that just one party is bad. They both suck.

marcus says

I would love, that. With unbiased analysis until a panel of non partisan intellects of the highest order make a ruling on on whether each lie is legit.

I would love that, for two reasons. One it would hold them accountable. Two, it would alert the right wingers and right wing media world how exaggerated their claim are.

Hey:

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/21/world/aftereffects-prohibited-weapons-illicit-arms-kept-till-eve-war-iraqi-scientist.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/27/world/aftereffects-germ-weapons-leading-iraqi-scientist-says-he-lied-to-un-inspectors.html

Think the NY Times was lying, distorting or leaving out omissions there? That's the NYTimes after all, the toilet paper of record, a rare commodity today.

It's not very difficult to find propaganda 10 years after the fact. And it's easy to identify it today as a result, an unnamed source is a source that doesn't exist, or somebody that is lying. None of you seem to remember it. I think very few people actually watch the "news" or read "news"papers. They'll cite them when they can find articles that agree with the propaganda pounded into their head, but they don't actually read them or is it really possible everybody gets amnesia after a couple years? I don't think people get amnesia that easily, I think people just lie about reading these supposed sources.

You don't need a panel of expurts to tell you anything. Just go to a newspaper morgue in a library, and be shocked at just how blatantly obvious our propaganda is. You don't need an authority to observe fact, especially when blatant propaganda is so obvious.

I used to wonder why the Germans in 1939 were so blind to what was going on. Now I know. It's not because I'm smart, because I'm not. I just have the temerity to remember and to catalog. They weren't stupid either, they just were afraid to tell the truth in an enormous mountain or propaganda. I'm not condemning people, but I really wish you'd speak up. You really have a lot more power than you think.

What right wing media? Fox? I counter with

LA Slimes
NY Slimes
Washington Hoax
And about 500 other left leaning publications that endorsed Hildeskank in 2016(seriously..two...fucking TWO major newspapers endorsers Donald Trump)

Then there’s

ABC
CBS
NBC
MSNBC
CNN
PBS
NPR

AND OH

TIME
NEWSWEEK
AND WHATEVER THE HELL ELSE CRUMMY MAGS POSING AS JOURNALISM.

If your talking Alex Jones, we can most definitely cite fake news lefty online resources like

Vox
The Atlantic
The Nation
Daily Beast
Daily Kos
Now This
Huffington Post

And probably a million other bullshit sites no one should ever bother with.

I don’t see how this one is even close.

This one falls under "distortion".

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/04/ny-times-deceptively-reports-that-trump-has-financial-interest-in-hydroxychloroquine/

NPR and NY Times have become laden with woke and SJW, mostly has a reaction to Trump.
Particularly after Trump's buddy declared the press is the opposition.
They have been 69ing each other since 2016.

Heraclitusstudent says

NPR and NY Times have become laden with woke and SJW, mostly has a reaction to Trump.
Particularly after Trump's buddy declared the press is the opposition.

Nobody that I recall claimed "the press" is the opposition.

Trump however did state that "fake news" is the opposition - or to be correct, "the enemy of the American people"

It just appears that everything that we are told to be as "mainstream news" happens to be "fake news" or more colloquially - propaganda.

There is no freedom of the press of the United States. Name one news organization that is "mainstream news" in opposition to the Afghanistan war. How about the Syrian war? How about the occupation of Iraq? What is the end goal of all this? You don't know - and you don't know because they don't even postulate what the purpose is.

I can't think of any stated mission for these wars or occupations - can you? Our criminal government murders people, and you're unaware of it. You don't even know why they are murdering people. Doesn't that make you think maybe, possibly, something is up?

Is the “right wing media” to the left as the boogeyman non existent white nationalist danger?

Heraclitusstudent says

NPR and NY Times have become laden with woke and SJW, mostly has a reaction to Trump.
Particularly after Trump's buddy declared the press is the opposition.
They have been 69ing each other since 2016.

That explains the Russian collusion hoax and the Ukrainian bribery hoax.

Do you think they will ever investigate Hunter?

Lol, they will never investigate Hunter Biden.

Epstein didn't kill himself either.

But the media is not at all interested in journalism anymore. Only in fomenting hate for anyone who wants to bring back manufacturing to the US or to keep illegals from undercutting wages of US citizens.

https://thehayride.com/2020/04/confirmed-theyre-inflating-wuhan-virus-death-rates-nationally/

Yes, it does seem they are overcounting deaths by counting anyone who died with the virus as having died from it.

And since we know the vast majority of the people who get a serious enough case of the Wuhan virus to put their lives in jeopardy have some other medical condition acting as a comorbidity, there’s a real gray area in many cases as to whether the virus was the true cause of death.

In Italy, that country’s equivalent to Dr. Anthony Fauci (not a perfect analogy, but near enough to our purposes) admitted that seven out of eight deaths attributed to the virus were really caused by one or more other comorbidities. In other words, the patient was on death’s door whether the virus got to them or not.

Patrick says

But the media is not at all interested in journalism anymore. Only in fomenting hate for anyone who wants to bring back manufacturing to the US or to keep illegals from undercutting wages of US citizens.

I would disagree. The media has no real interests at all, other than pushing the propaganda of our intelligence agencies. I think you are mistakenly thinking they have principles and goals for society, they are just propagandists that do as they are told.

I've tried to reason with people labelled as reporters, explain how they are wrong, attempted to get them to talk to people who actually knew what was being discussed - it's impossible, because they are pushing propaganda. They don't care about the truth or reality, that is not what they are paid to do.

The only relevant question in my estimation is where do they get their orders, and it seems it is from the intelligence agencies. Only the intelligence agencies can freely lie to the press, congress, and violate laws without threat of any prosecution. Take the FISA abuse - or the 3 year long coup attempt. It seems logical that they are our true rulers. They have all the information, and with information there is power. Imagine knowing everything any congressman, lawyer, or judge ever said or did - how much power would you have over them? It seems to me they are the true government.

richwicks says

The media has no real interests at all, other than pushing the propaganda of our intelligence agencies.

OK, so where do the intelligence agencies get their orders?

Probably from the globalists who already pretty much own the government and make their money by having the Chinese make things and then selling them here.

Patrick says

The media has no real interests at all, other than pushing the propaganda of our intelligence agencies.

OK, so where do the intelligence agencies get their orders?

I don't know. Perhaps they make the orders, perhaps it's from the banking system. I can only speculate. I don't have enough information.

I can only say that if you break the law, and you don't get prosecuted even when you are clearly guilty, then you must be part of the ruling class or a subject of them - take Jussie Smollett for example, or George W. Bush, or Hillary Clinton or Debbie Wasserman Schultz. They flagrantly break the law and do this constantly. I'm pretty certain the intelligence agencies are underlings, but I'm not positive they are.

Patrick says

Probably from the globalists who already pretty much own the government and make their money by having the Chinese make things and then selling them here.

Who are "the globalists"? Many people speculate it's the people who control the banking system. After all, they just print money, they are infinitely wealthy. There's no audits so you can't see if they are counterfeiting. I think it's a good guess that it is them, but I cannot be certain if they aren't under some sort of control themselves. Harley Schlanger suggests it goes right up to the ruling establishment of England. Is he correct? I do not know, but he's interesting to listen to.

The most useful thing I did was dispense with drawing conclusions when I have incomplete information. I know a lot of possibilities, and in time, I'll get more information sufficient to draw a conclusion. I suspect in 10 years I can answer you questions, but at this point, I can only speculate. I honestly don't know.

What I do know, if our elected officials are almost entirely composed of puppets. Their job is to take orders and whatever they're told to do, sell it to the public as a good thing. This should be clear with Tulsi Gabbard, the supposed anti-war candidate giving her endorsement to Joe Biden, a man that fully supported the Iraq War of non existent-weapons of mass destruction. Either she sold out, or was a cutout. I don't know.

richwicks says

Who are "the globalists"?

People who profit from outsourcing manufacturing and insourcing mass illegal labor, or from selling to a global customer base.

Or their minions who get funding to cry RACISM and feel better about themselves.

Jeff Bezos is perhaps the classic globalist, richest guy in the world largely through importing Chinese goods.
Apple, because it produces in China and sells here.
Google and Facebook, because the majority of their profits and employees come from abroad.
All of Hollywood, which makes the majority of its profits from abroad as well and bitterly hates traditional American culture.
Every restaurant and bar owner who employs illegals to save on wages (probably the majority).
Major investment banks, like Goldman Sachs, whose profits are limited by pesky national laws.
All of the Congressmen who are for "free trade" regardless of job loss in America, because that's what their campaign donors demand.
All of the bitter blue-haired aging women who support mass illegal immigration in Europe and US. But they are not in it for profit, just the bitterness.

It's not so much a conspiracy as it is the profit motive distorting businessmen's ability to perceive the harm they are doing to their own country.

Patrick says

Who are "the globalists"?

People who profit from outsourcing manufacturing and insourcing mass illegal labor, or from selling to a global customer base.

That is known as the rentier class. People who do not produce wealth but are leaches off from production.

Patrick says

It's not so much a conspiracy as it is the profit motive distorting businessmen's ability to perceive the harm they are doing to their own country.

The system is broken.

At one time, speculators and the rentier class was essentially abolished in the United States. Our downfall is now these two groups are held up as examples to aspire to. The boomers embraced both.

Neither class can exist with a commodity standard by the way. Eventually the supply of money is exhausted, and there's a reset. That doesn't happen with a fiat paper standard because more money can be created at will. Sure you can exploit workers in a 3rd world country, until you run out of the commodity, sure you can exploit tenets of business and just non home owners, until their money is exhausted, but eventually there's a debt collapse.

The problem we're running into is that China, India, Russia - they're happy to accept paper currency, as long as they can buy useful resources with it. When that ends, it collapses. A hard commodity standard prevents a horrific collapse, but we don't have that.

Here I'm sitting at home with my stupid "hi tech" job, wondering what the outcome of this panicdemic will produce. I think you've been waiting for Depression 2.0 and so have I - I think this might be it, and it's not going to be pleasant. I've planned for this for 20 years, but I think I've under prepared. At least it's probable my parents will be dead before it gets really awful I think.

If this isn't the collapse, I dread to think what will be. The longer it is put off, the worse the hangover will be.

richwicks says

Patrick says

Who are "the globalists"?

People who profit from outsourcing manufacturing and insourcing mass illegal labor, or from selling to a global customer base.

That is known as the rentier class. People who do not produce wealth but are leaches off from production.

Patrick says

It's not so much a conspiracy as it is the profit motive distorting businessmen's ability to perceive the harm they are doing to their own country.

The system is broken.

At one time, speculators and the rentier class was essentially abolished in the United States. Our downfall is now these two groups are held up as examples to aspire to. The boomers embraced both.

Neither class can exist with a commodity standard by the way. Eventually the supply of money is exhausted,...

This is most evidently in rent/house prices. Although on avg. they go up globally with inflation and more people on the planet it is baffling how in the US we managed to sell that "house" as the American dream, or to live in naturally beautiful bit otherwise shithole areas such as SF for such a premium, when you can rent/ buy pristine houses farms in other countries more densely populated than the US for a fraction of the prices here. This is not possible though without the help of the sheeple. The brainwashing of millions of Americans that they have to live in a hip area when they could work and live for 1/10th of the price somewhere in a flyover state and lead a happy life. Then they make the zoning laws so brutal that nobody can build and keep the supply artificially low. Housing is one the biggest rackets of the US of A.

Who is fact checking media? No one!!!

Patrick says

Provable lies, distortions, and omissions on NPR and in the NY Times

What's the big deal? This is called 'business as usual'.

Tim Aurora says

You are barking at the wrong tree

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/06/trump-foreign-business-interests/


Patrick says

Jeff Bezos is perhaps the classic globalist, richest guy in the world largely through importing Chinese goods.

Trump will at least tell the truth about China's devastation of American manufacturing.

Bezos will not.

HEYYOU says

Someone forget about Right wing media lies.
Got the 10,000 links to RepCon media saying "Iraq has WMD"?
Scum Trump & his scum supporters have killed more Americans than G.W. Bush & his slime supporters.

RepCons' silence is like someone cut their tongues off.

Of course we do. Why do you think Trump was elected instead of Jeb Bush? Or Hillary Clinton, who VOTED for the Iraq war when she was a Junior senator of NY?

Republican voters were the first to realize their party was run by a bunch of traitorous scumbags and overturned the party as a result.

Who is running on the Democratic ticket this year? A man that was an outspoken supporter for the Iraq War, who is frankly - an absolute fucking pervert - with young girls, who is as corrupt as shit dipped in nuclear waste selling access to his office as VP through his randy fucker of a son, and is either senile or pretending to be senile. Hunter Biden left his WIFE to marry his dead brother wife, months after he died then he knocked up a stripper. What a fucking asshole, well the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Democratic voters haven't done anything at all about reforming their party. Get to work. Screaming "orange man bad" isn't doing anything. The Democratic party is every bit as corrupt as the Republican party was during that lying, warmongering, piece of shit Neocon cunt's term - George W. Bush. Fix your goddamned fucking party and stop allowing George W. Bush clones from "winning" the primary and running them for the presidency please. Mr Hope. 'n Change, spent 8 years bombing 7 nations, destroyed Libya and nearly did the same to Syria. He was George W. Bush in blackface and you praise him! It just shows everybody you have NO PRINCIPLES whatsoever.

Hell, if Trump was a democrat you'd be a fanatical supporter of him, because you have ZERO principles. Well guess what? He is a democrat. He only "changed" parties so he could run for office. Can't run in the Democratic party because of their super-delegates. He isn't stupid at all. He realized the system was entirely corrupt, and the leadership of both parties are identical - but you've not figured it out yet. It's staring you in the face and you call the Orange Man dumb.

HEYYOU says

Synonym for RepCon hypocrisy- scum.

Hypocrisy? Obama bombed Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia. He started a war with Syria - all after he won the Nobel Peace of Crap Prize. He lied about Assad gassing his own people. You're the hypocrite whining about that pile of manure not being in office anymore. Good riddance, I hope he rots in hell with George W. Bush, George H. Bush, and William Clinton - those miserable murderers.

This is what people are talking about when they talk about Trump Derangement Syndrome. I don't think you're crazy though, I just think you're completely unprincipled. You have no values, at all. You're juts a fanatical supporter of a party - the Neocon war party. How can anybody respect you with the principles you display?

Never thought in 2003 I'd be agreeing with the republican electorate but they came to sanity. You guys have gone NUTS.

Holy shit @richwicks that was nuclear!

Well done.

richwicks says

Well guess what? He is a democrat. He only "changed" parties so he could run for office. Can't run in the Democratic party because of their super-delegates. He isn't stupid at all. He realized the system was entirely corrupt, and the leadership of both parties are identical - but you've not figured it out yet. It's staring you in the face and you call the Orange Man dumb.

Lol, yes, Trump is a better Democrat that any Democrat.

He's doing the things for the workers that the Democrats keep failing to do. Especially in going after outsourcing.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/another-editing-mistake-cbs-news-again-airs-italy-hospital-footage-in-u-s-coronavirus-segment/

Again.

Patrick says

wicks

I'll bet you a beer that @HEYYOU never responds to it. I think you have a bot here. I see he's on basically everybody's ignore list. If he isn't a bot, and he actually does make a coherent response, I'll be very surprised.

The election of Trump has shown me one thing I didn't suspect 15 years ago. The people who call themselves "the left" or identify as "the left", have absolutely no principles. Obama was exactly like Bush save for trivial differences. Nobody really cared about gay marriage either way, nor did they care about transgendered bathrooms - but they pretended to care.

What I didn't know is they don't care about going to war, being lied to in order to start a war, murdering people to steal their resources, breaking the freaking Geneva Conventions for god's sake. I thought people had general moral principles. They don't. It seems to be very rare to find somebody with any principles at all.

richwicks says

I think you have a bot here.

Pretty sure he's human, just very repetitive and unwilling to admit that the Democrats are as bad or worse than the Republicans.

The Democratic Party should be disbanded for its complete failure to act in the public interest.

HEYYOU says

How about a challenge,Patrick.
Ban me.

People just ignore you, you don't need to be banned.

HEYYOU says

Fuck Dems & Reps.
I'm an Independent.

Then criticize the Democrats for once or somebody in it.

Also you may want to remember what thread you are in. This is about NPR and the NYTimes spewing propaganda, which they do. These are considered "left leaning" organizations, but they're really just pro authoritarian. You're the one that started screaming about Trump. Why about Trump? Why not about Obama blowing up Syria, and the intelligence agencies repeatedly faking chemical attacks and the universal support in continuing that war on both sides of the aisle?

The best thing about Trump's election is that he's openly pointing out what was taboo to point out.

We do have a deep state, that is, a group of unelected bureaucrats controlling foreign and internal policy.
The (latest) Iraq War was a disaster.
We shouldn't be in the freaking Middle East blowing anything up or anywhere else.
We should be co-operating with nations as much as possible.
Our "news" media does lie and produces blatant propaganda.
Our intelligence agencies do lie and they are part of the paroapganda machine.
Our judicial system uses selective prosecution as a political weapon.

That alone was worth electing him - even if he does noting else, that's a tremendous improvement over the last 4 lumps of shit we've had for meat puppet presidents.

HEYYOU says

How about a challenge,Patrick.
Ban me.

Nope. You generally don't insult the other users, which is the main rule.

richwicks says

Also you may want to remember what thread you are in. This is about NPR and the NYTimes spewing propaganda, which they do. These are considered "left leaning" organizations, but they're really just pro authoritarian. You're the one that started screaming about Trump. Why about Trump? Why not about Obama blowing up Syria, and the intelligence agencies repeatedly faking chemical attacks and the universal support in continuing that war on both sides of the aisle?

The best thing about Trump's election is that he's openly pointing out what was taboo to point out.

We do have a deep state, that is, a group of unelected bureaucrats controlling foreign and internal policy.
The (latest) Iraq War was a disaster.
We shouldn't be in the freaking Middle East blowing anything up or anywhere else.
We should be co-operating with nations as much as possible.
Our "news" media does lie and produces blat...

Damn @richwicks maybe you should run for office. You got one vote right here.

Then again, truth-telling doesn't get you any bribes campaign funding from the people who are raking it in by screwing over the country. So you probably wouldn't be able to compete with those that do take bribes.

Publicly funded campaigns would help fix this, but no one in Congress will support that because they all got elected under the current system of "take bribe, pay media to divide and distract with tranny bathrooms and !RACISM! accusations".

It's going to take a mass public demand for publicly funded campaigns, but that seems unlikely given how deep in bed the media is with the outsource-everything-to-china crowd.

That’s definitely another worthy goal of this Covid mess.

First expose the MSM for the deceitful hacks they are

Then use this as pretext for isolationist policy. President Trump has already working towards that goal. Merle Haggard had it right and so does the President. Get us out of cleaning up other nations messes.

www.youtube.com/embed/UodJB1tRNVE

OccasionalCortex says

https://leadstories.com/

Hey, that site looks pretty good!

Patrick says

Damn @richwicks maybe you should run for office. You got one vote right here.

Forget that! Who would want to run for office to work in government? What a nightmare that would be to have to work within the government. Elected officials don't have any power. I'd get thrown down the stairs by a bunch of bureaucrats screaming "we own this town!"

The government is entirely corrupt.

Patrick says

Then again, truth-telling doesn't get you any bribes campaign funding from the people who are raking it in by screwing over the country. So you probably wouldn't be able to compete with those that do take bribes.

I'd end up like Ron Paul, at best.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/media-get-cold-feet-after-reporting-democrats-torpedoed-covid-19-bill-change-headlines-to-spread-bipartisan-blame

This is fast becoming my favorite genre of journalism: A major news outlet will at first report accurately on a breaking news event, but then amend its own headline later in such a way as to make sure it does not a) reflect well on Republicans or b) reflect poorly on Democrats.

On Thursday, for example, after Senate Democrats killed Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s small-business COVID-19 relief package, CNN published a breaking news headline that read, “Democrats block GOP-led funding boost for small business aid program.”

There is nothing wrong with that headline. It is entirely accurate!

But CNN changed it anyway to remove all negative implications for Democratic lawmakers. The headline now reads, “Senate at stalemate over more COVID-19 aid after Republicans and Democrats block competing proposals.” Well, shucks, wouldn’t you know it? There is blame to go around for everyone!

Politico did the same thing. Its initial headline claimed Thursday afternoon, “Senate Dems to block new coronavirus relief in bid for more money.” Its revised headline, however, now suggests there is blame to go around. It now reads, “Senate brawl derails fast push for new coronavirus relief.”

Then, of course, there is the New York Times, which reported originally on its live updates blog, “Democrats block G.O.P. proposal for aid to businesses, request more fund.” That has since been amended to read “As Economy Hemorrhages Jobs, Aid Stalls in Senate.”

The really funny thing about this is: These are not even the first examples in this media trend.

In late March, immediately after Senate Democrats scuttled a trillion-dollar-plus coronavirus relief package, the New York Times declared in its initial breaking news headline, "Democrats Block Action on $1.8 Trillion Stimulus."

That headline did not last long.

It was soon changed to, “Democrats Block Action on Stimulus Plan, Seeking Worker Protections.” Amazingly, it was changed a third time and a fourth time, to “Partisan Divide Threatens Deal on Rescue Bill,” and then to “Emergency Economic Rescue Plan in Limbo as Democrats Block Action.” ...