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Patrick says

What people are calling "right wing" is a concern that US workers are being screwed by powerful financial interests for profit

It's a special kind of logic skills that enable him to comprehend that the way to help the poorest Americans is if we can somehow get rid of those illegal immigrants that pick crops, cut grass, clean homes, take care of babies, painting exteriors etc. That is the only way we can undo the evil that was perpetuated by liberals who caused all of our problems. You know, with their massive welfare programs and their ridiculous open borders policies. Everyone knows that Obama had a extreme policy of getting as many illegal immigrants in as possible, all the facts to the contrary need to be magically ignored if you are the type of true Trump loving American that doesn't have a white supremacist bone in your body.

Those damn corporations have a very counter intuitive point of view. They somehow want more illegal immigrants in the country, the majority of which will vote democratic. And it's not becasue they employ them, becasue they largely don't. It's becasue of the indirect savings of their employees paying slightly less for fruit or veggies picked by those seasonal workers, or becasue of child care, or grass cutting, or house cleaning services that they get for a little less.

When one truly understands this, it has the side benefit of enabling them to understand that Trump never appealed to white racists. And in fact if you call any of the people that worship Trump racist, violence should be done to you.

Patrick is not a racist. But he will be happy to tell you why diversity is bad, and it bothers him that people don't know the statistics about black violent crime versus white violent crime, and that people really are different depending on their race.

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By the way Ellie, I agree that Patrick is a very nice guy in many ways. But when and if he ever meets me, he has indirectly let me know he might be compelled to punch me in the face.

marcus says

By the way Ellie, I agree that Patrick is a very nice guy in many ways. But when if he ever meets me, I think he might be compelled to punch me in the face according to what he has said in the past. And based on what I have implied.

Oh gawd, like there would be any chance of Patrick ever punching you over anything, he isn't a CA liberal.

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No, I didn't mean that he would, I doubt he even wants to, but I deserve it, right ? By implying that I think he is a racist.

There's just a lack of intellectual honesty there.

I have a republican friend who voted for Trump, but admits how much of a total douchebag and embarrassment he is. And although he might deny Trumps racism, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't deny Trumps wanting the racist vote - or Trump's sixth sense for how significant white racism is in America. I had no idea. Now I realize that even the relative success Trumps campaign over Obama's birth certificate, was kind of a trial balloon. A good indicator of that hate/fear that was out there.

Too many Trump voters have the audacity to assert that Trump is not an absurdly divisive leader.

RC2006 says

he isn't a CA liberal.

Yes, becasue we all know that some adolescent antifa moron is representative of California liberals.

When you got nothing else, and the facts are not going your way, bring out the accusations of racism.

Onvacation says

For me, I miss Iwog and Dan.

Iwog yes, Dan no. That guy always posted pictures of hairy neked guys and I had to go use eye-wash after viewing patnet.

HeadSet says

facts are not going your way, bring out the accusations of racism.

Trump being President is the facts not going everyone's way. The fact that there are some idiots that disagree is a fundamental part of the facts not going everyone's way.

The way I would frame it is, since Trump had no other way of being elected, he lowered himself to appealing to hate and fear, yes, partially based on racism.

I guess it might be argued that as many people were repulsed away from him by it as there were attracted to him. So who knows. I guess it's possible I'm wrong, that he won becasue of racism.

Some right wingers will try to claim that white folks that were repulsed by Trump on so many levels are actually somehow the real racists. Good luck with that. Either way there is way too much race and divisiveness around race in the picture, which is exactly what the oligarchs want.

The way I would frame it is, since Trump had no other way of being elected, he lowered himself to appealing to hate and fear, yes, partially based on racism.

Not enough constituency with "hate and fear" to get elected. His "other way to get elected" was by appealing to the working class and middle class by closing borders, bringing back manufacturing, and energy independence. Remember, Obama and the Dems at the time were talking about "managing the decline" and "how is Trump going to bring the jobs back, a magic wand?" Trump was a bit more optimistic.

Either way there is way too much race and divisiveness around race in the picture, which is exactly what the oligarchs want.

True, but the oligarchs do not want Trump. They are using "race and divisiveness" as a weapon against Trump.

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HeadSet says

but the oligarchs do not want Trump

Maybe not forever. But while he's in he's doing alot for them, while the gullible suckers buy the con.

HeadSet says

by appealing to the working class and middle class by closing borders, bringing back manufacturing, and energy independence.

Total bullshit and you must know it. Nobody is that stupid or that gullible.

If they know he's a conman and a liar, why would they believe he;s even trying to do this, let alone that he can ?

Appealing to a more deep hate and fear is more believable to me.

marcus says

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HeadSet says

but the oligarchs do not want Trump

Maybe not forever. But while he's in he's doing alot for them, while the gullible suckers buy the con.



What do you mean "not forever?" The oligarchs did not want Trump elected, and do not want him now. Bezos, Gates, Buffet, Soros, Bloomberg, Koch, Cook, and owners of major networks and owners of national newspapers all have shown this.

marcus says

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By the way Ellie, I agree that Patrick is a very nice guy in many ways. But when and if he ever meets me, he has indirectly let me know he might be compelled to punch me in the face.

All of us, at sometime in our lives, have done something that surely would have caused the Great & Mighty Patrick to feel compelled to punch us in our collective and separate faces. Not that there's anything wrong with that - feeling, that is.

Patrick the person, not so much. He's probably the guy you share a laugh in line with when someone at Starbucks gave their name as "Bingo."

annoyed1 says

Iwog sounds like my kind of guy. Why did he leave?

He threw a tantrum when he could no longer insult people

marcus says

Too many Trump voters have the audacity to assert that Trump is not an absurdly divisive leader.

You didn't build that!

marcus says

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By the way Ellie, I agree that Patrick is a very nice guy in many ways. But when and if he ever meets me, he has indirectly let me know he might be compelled to punch me in the face.

How so? I think discourse here would rarely, if ever, get to physical conflict for an in person encounter. I know I get pissy here, but I think a lot of people mistake emotions via text/writing like what happens here. Like I've said before, I'd have a beer with 99.7% of people I've interacted with on this site. I think most would reciprocate. We all don't hate each other as much as it seems like we do, we just disagree on some shit. Oh well?