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Been on a break.... but I'm back. Anyone miss me?
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elliemae
2020 Apr 17, 8:14am
elliemae
2020 Apr 17, 8:14am
marcus says
It's always good to have some dissenting views. People can be mean, but if they got to know me personally they would probably still hate me. And, Patrick has been very cool to me, even though I'm a bleeding heart liberal social worker and he is - well, not.
So far as where I was... I was kidnapped by aliens. There were rectal probes (all with the initials "TPB" on them, whatever that means) and a lot of attempts at deprogramming me. You know, pictures of billionaires and their kids golfing and playing while they gleefully fuck the country, stripping of civil rights, elitist politics... But it didn't work.
This place has changed A LOT since back in the day. Several of the most sane voices are gone, and it's dominated by people that worship at the alter of Trump.
It's always good to have some dissenting views. People can be mean, but if they got to know me personally they would probably still hate me. And, Patrick has been very cool to me, even though I'm a bleeding heart liberal social worker and he is - well, not.
So far as where I was... I was kidnapped by aliens. There were rectal probes (all with the initials "TPB" on them, whatever that means) and a lot of attempts at deprogramming me. You know, pictures of billionaires and their kids golfing and playing while they gleefully fuck the country, stripping of civil rights, elitist politics... But it didn't work.
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annoyed1
2020 Apr 17, 8:24am
elliemae says
Yeah, this site seems full of liberal-hating conservatives. Was there more of a balance before? Who are the people you wish were back?
even though I'm a bleeding heart liberal social worker and he is - well, not.
Yeah, this site seems full of liberal-hating conservatives. Was there more of a balance before? Who are the people you wish were back?
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Shaman
2020 Apr 17, 8:32am
Shaman
2020 Apr 17, 8:32am
annoyed1 says
There are a fair number of these, but most of them used to be liberals. What changed? The Democrats left them behind in their quest for purity politics and SJW Nazi tactics as well as discounting all opinions but the anointed ones coming from on high (the oligarch owner class). I’d say most of us are populists. Some right leaning, some left leaning, but we still believe that the people should have a say in our government rather than the appointed elites who by virtue of their superior Ivy League pedigrees know what is best for us all. Except that they don’t and they have led most of America into economic misery. So populism returns to popularity.
Yeah, this site seems full of liberal-hating conservatives. Was there more of a balance before?
There are a fair number of these, but most of them used to be liberals. What changed? The Democrats left them behind in their quest for purity politics and SJW Nazi tactics as well as discounting all opinions but the anointed ones coming from on high (the oligarch owner class). I’d say most of us are populists. Some right leaning, some left leaning, but we still believe that the people should have a say in our government rather than the appointed elites who by virtue of their superior Ivy League pedigrees know what is best for us all. Except that they don’t and they have led most of America into economic misery. So populism returns to popularity.
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annoyed1
2020 Apr 17, 8:37am
Shaman says
Yeah, the Democrats are doing what the Republicans did in the 1990s, eliminating anyone who isn't an extremist. There's nothing liberal about the Democrats and SJWs. They suppress free speech even more than the right wing radicals. Seems like both parties are dominated by a vocal and extreme minority that represents the worst of each party. There's no place for moderates in them anymore.
The Democrats left them behind in their quest for purity politics and SJW Nazi tactics
Yeah, the Democrats are doing what the Republicans did in the 1990s, eliminating anyone who isn't an extremist. There's nothing liberal about the Democrats and SJWs. They suppress free speech even more than the right wing radicals. Seems like both parties are dominated by a vocal and extreme minority that represents the worst of each party. There's no place for moderates in them anymore.
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Patrick
2020 Apr 17, 8:52am
Patrick
2020 Apr 17, 8:52am
elliemae says
Not a social worker, but very concerned for the well being of US citizens, especially the poor.
What people are calling "right wing" is a concern that US workers are being screwed by powerful financial interests for profit, and that media accusations of !RACISM! have been deliberately orchestrated to stifle dissent about this ongoing injustice.
Come to think of it, any opposition to the real and massive harms of globalization is called "right wing" by the media these days.
I'm a bleeding heart liberal social worker and he is - well, not.
Not a social worker, but very concerned for the well being of US citizens, especially the poor.
What people are calling "right wing" is a concern that US workers are being screwed by powerful financial interests for profit, and that media accusations of !RACISM! have been deliberately orchestrated to stifle dissent about this ongoing injustice.
Come to think of it, any opposition to the real and massive harms of globalization is called "right wing" by the media these days.
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Shaman
2020 Apr 17, 8:54am
Shaman
2020 Apr 17, 8:54am
annoyed1 says
That is a very fair point. The Republicans of that era were busy busting unions and shipping jobs overseas as soon as they got the legislation passed. Vulture capitalism was just getting into full rape mode with Mitt Romney leading the charge. Americans lost a lot in the 90s, and even more in the 00’s. The Democrats saw the writing on the wall and went with the Clinton bid to align the party with the corporatists and thus secure campaign funding in perpetuity.
On we went in that vein for another 25 years until the American working class was pretty fucking hollowed out. Our economy was based on servicing the rich, and thus very unstable.
Trump came along offering to actually address these underlying issues, and won the Presidency in a major upset as a result. Whether or not he has changed things or changed them enough to help Labor is up for debate, but what is not up for debate is whether the Democrats are ready to step back into their original pro-Labor role. They aren’t, and they’re ready to quash any such movement in their own ranks (Bernie). The Democrats are so anti-Labor and anti-populist that they are willing to run a senile old man who is practically guaranteed to lose rather than a populist (Bernie) who has a shot at winning.
Yeah, the Democrats are doing what the Republicans did in the 1990s, eliminating anyone who isn't an extremist.
That is a very fair point. The Republicans of that era were busy busting unions and shipping jobs overseas as soon as they got the legislation passed. Vulture capitalism was just getting into full rape mode with Mitt Romney leading the charge. Americans lost a lot in the 90s, and even more in the 00’s. The Democrats saw the writing on the wall and went with the Clinton bid to align the party with the corporatists and thus secure campaign funding in perpetuity.
On we went in that vein for another 25 years until the American working class was pretty fucking hollowed out. Our economy was based on servicing the rich, and thus very unstable.
Trump came along offering to actually address these underlying issues, and won the Presidency in a major upset as a result. Whether or not he has changed things or changed them enough to help Labor is up for debate, but what is not up for debate is whether the Democrats are ready to step back into their original pro-Labor role. They aren’t, and they’re ready to quash any such movement in their own ranks (Bernie). The Democrats are so anti-Labor and anti-populist that they are willing to run a senile old man who is practically guaranteed to lose rather than a populist (Bernie) who has a shot at winning.
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Apr 17, 8:56am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Apr 17, 8:56am
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/ny-man-khaled-ahmad-tells-cops-killed-eating-father-holed-quarantine/
But only Khaled Ahmad listened to the edict.
in a brilliant EAT THE NEGROES! FIRST! campaign.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/ny-man-khaled-ahmad-tells-cops-killed-eating-father-holed-quarantine/
But only Khaled Ahmad listened to the edict.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2020 Apr 17, 9:00am
elliemae says
Nothing fun like that ever happens in our part of town... as far as I know.
I was kidnapped by aliens.
Nothing fun like that ever happens in our part of town... as far as I know.
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Apr 17, 9:29am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Apr 17, 9:29am
elliemae says
To Probe Butts
There were rectal probes (all with the initials "TPB" on them, whatever that means)
To Probe Butts
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annoyed1
2020 Apr 17, 10:19am
elliemae says
The Pirate Bay.
There were rectal probes (all with the initials "TPB" on them, whatever that means)
The Pirate Bay.
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annoyed1
2020 Apr 17, 10:20am
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
What if their eyes are erogenous zones?
Stuffing a cattle prod into the aliens' eye is a power distraction when they get unruly with these probes.
What if their eyes are erogenous zones?
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Onvacation
2020 Apr 17, 10:28am
Onvacation
2020 Apr 17, 10:28am
annoyed1 says
For me, I miss Iwog and Dan.
It was so fun to see Iwog go red faced and forehead vein bulging when he talked of the coming wetbulb. It was entertaining when Dan tried to rewrite history to fit his narrative. Miss the duck and Dan in his little red Saab.
Who are the people you wish were back?
For me, I miss Iwog and Dan.
It was so fun to see Iwog go red faced and forehead vein bulging when he talked of the coming wetbulb. It was entertaining when Dan tried to rewrite history to fit his narrative. Miss the duck and Dan in his little red Saab.
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elliemae
2020 Apr 17, 2:21pm
elliemae
2020 Apr 17, 2:21pm
annoyed1 says
Well, alrighty then. I'll move you from the "love ya/miss ya" pile to the "coal for Christmas" pile
Patrick says
A social work degree isn't necessary in order to have a social conscience. I do think that many people are basically good, and will help others. It's just that many people believe that it's the responsibility of each person to better themselves however they have to, while others believe that we all need to help out. It's when someone dictates how we help, who we help and when we help that the problems arrive.
I don't want to subsidize some billionaire's yacht. The billionaires don't want to subsidize poor people's healthcare because they might get an abortion.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
Who are the people you wish were back?
Well, alrighty then. I'll move you from the "love ya/miss ya" pile to the "coal for Christmas" pile
Patrick says
Not a social worker, but very concerned for the well being of US citizens, especially the poor.
A social work degree isn't necessary in order to have a social conscience. I do think that many people are basically good, and will help others. It's just that many people believe that it's the responsibility of each person to better themselves however they have to, while others believe that we all need to help out. It's when someone dictates how we help, who we help and when we help that the problems arrive.
I don't want to subsidize some billionaire's yacht. The billionaires don't want to subsidize poor people's healthcare because they might get an abortion.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Ceffer
2020 Apr 17, 2:23pm
Ceffer
2020 Apr 17, 2:23pm
Onvacation says
It was a drop top Volvo C70.
I miss Iwog and his vision of a perfect world where nubile girls and women are submissively chained to radiators as reproductive vessels in breeding farms for the men who have pillaged their way to the top dog position.
Dan in his little red Saab
It was a drop top Volvo C70.
I miss Iwog and his vision of a perfect world where nubile girls and women are submissively chained to radiators as reproductive vessels in breeding farms for the men who have pillaged their way to the top dog position.
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annoyed1
2020 Apr 19, 12:55pm
Ceffer says
Iwog sounds like my kind of guy. Why did he leave?
I miss Iwog and his vision of a perfect world where nubile girls and women are submissively chained to radiators as reproductive vessels in breeding farms for the men who have pillaged their way to the top dog position.
Iwog sounds like my kind of guy. Why did he leave?
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marcus
2020 Apr 19, 1:19pm
marcus
2020 Apr 19, 1:19pm
Patrick says
It's a special kind of logic skills that enable him to comprehend that the way to help the poorest Americans is if we can somehow get rid of those illegal immigrants that pick crops, cut grass, clean homes, take care of babies, painting exteriors etc. That is the only way we can undo the evil that was perpetuated by liberals who caused all of our problems. You know, with their massive welfare programs and their ridiculous open borders policies. Everyone knows that Obama had a extreme policy of getting as many illegal immigrants in as possible, all the facts to the contrary need to be magically ignored if you are the type of true Trump loving American that doesn't have a white supremacist bone in your body.
Those damn corporations have a very counter intuitive point of view. They somehow want more illegal immigrants in the country, the majority of which will vote democratic. And it's not becasue they employ them, becasue they largely don't. It's becasue of the indirect savings of their employees paying slightly less for fruit or veggies picked by those seasonal workers, or becasue of child care, or grass cutting, or house cleaning services that they get for a little less.
When one truly understands this, it has the side benefit of enabling them to understand that Trump never appealed to white racists. And in fact if you call any of the people that worship Trump racist, violence should be done to you.
Patrick is not a racist. But he will be happy to tell you why diversity is bad, and it bothers him that people don't know the statistics about black violent crime versus white violent crime, and that people really are different depending on their race.
What people are calling "right wing" is a concern that US workers are being screwed by powerful financial interests for profit
It's a special kind of logic skills that enable him to comprehend that the way to help the poorest Americans is if we can somehow get rid of those illegal immigrants that pick crops, cut grass, clean homes, take care of babies, painting exteriors etc. That is the only way we can undo the evil that was perpetuated by liberals who caused all of our problems. You know, with their massive welfare programs and their ridiculous open borders policies. Everyone knows that Obama had a extreme policy of getting as many illegal immigrants in as possible, all the facts to the contrary need to be magically ignored if you are the type of true Trump loving American that doesn't have a white supremacist bone in your body.
Those damn corporations have a very counter intuitive point of view. They somehow want more illegal immigrants in the country, the majority of which will vote democratic. And it's not becasue they employ them, becasue they largely don't. It's becasue of the indirect savings of their employees paying slightly less for fruit or veggies picked by those seasonal workers, or becasue of child care, or grass cutting, or house cleaning services that they get for a little less.
When one truly understands this, it has the side benefit of enabling them to understand that Trump never appealed to white racists. And in fact if you call any of the people that worship Trump racist, violence should be done to you.
Patrick is not a racist. But he will be happy to tell you why diversity is bad, and it bothers him that people don't know the statistics about black violent crime versus white violent crime, and that people really are different depending on their race.
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marcus
2020 Apr 19, 1:32pm
marcus
2020 Apr 19, 1:32pm
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By the way Ellie, I agree that Patrick is a very nice guy in many ways. But when and if he ever meets me, he has indirectly let me know he might be compelled to punch me in the face.
By the way Ellie, I agree that Patrick is a very nice guy in many ways. But when and if he ever meets me, he has indirectly let me know he might be compelled to punch me in the face.
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RC2006
2020 Apr 19, 1:43pm
RC2006
2020 Apr 19, 1:43pm
marcus says
Oh gawd, like there would be any chance of Patrick ever punching you over anything, he isn't a CA liberal.
By the way Ellie, I agree that Patrick is a very nice guy in many ways. But when if he ever meets me, I think he might be compelled to punch me in the face according to what he has said in the past. And based on what I have implied.
Oh gawd, like there would be any chance of Patrick ever punching you over anything, he isn't a CA liberal.
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marcus
2020 Apr 19, 2:00pm
marcus
2020 Apr 19, 2:00pm
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No, I didn't mean that he would, I doubt he even wants to, but I deserve it, right ? By implying that I think he is a racist.
There's just a lack of intellectual honesty there.
I have a republican friend who voted for Trump, but admits how much of a total douchebag and embarrassment he is. And although he might deny Trumps racism, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't deny Trumps wanting the racist vote - or Trump's sixth sense for how significant white racism is in America. I had no idea. Now I realize that even the relative success Trumps campaign over Obama's birth certificate, was kind of a trial balloon. A good indicator of that hate/fear that was out there.
Too many Trump voters have the audacity to assert that Trump is not an absurdly divisive leader.
RC2006 says
Yes, becasue we all know that some adolescent antifa moron is representative of California liberals.
No, I didn't mean that he would, I doubt he even wants to, but I deserve it, right ? By implying that I think he is a racist.
There's just a lack of intellectual honesty there.
I have a republican friend who voted for Trump, but admits how much of a total douchebag and embarrassment he is. And although he might deny Trumps racism, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't deny Trumps wanting the racist vote - or Trump's sixth sense for how significant white racism is in America. I had no idea. Now I realize that even the relative success Trumps campaign over Obama's birth certificate, was kind of a trial balloon. A good indicator of that hate/fear that was out there.
Too many Trump voters have the audacity to assert that Trump is not an absurdly divisive leader.
RC2006 says
he isn't a CA liberal.
Yes, becasue we all know that some adolescent antifa moron is representative of California liberals.
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HeadSet
2020 Apr 19, 3:12pm
HeadSet
2020 Apr 19, 3:12pm
When you got nothing else, and the facts are not going your way, bring out the accusations of racism.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2020 Apr 19, 4:23pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2020 Apr 19, 4:23pm
Onvacation says
Iwog yes, Dan no. That guy always posted pictures of hairy neked guys and I had to go use eye-wash after viewing patnet.
For me, I miss Iwog and Dan.
Iwog yes, Dan no. That guy always posted pictures of hairy neked guys and I had to go use eye-wash after viewing patnet.
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marcus
2020 Apr 19, 4:34pm
marcus
2020 Apr 19, 4:34pm
HeadSet says
Trump being President is the facts not going everyone's way. The fact that there are some idiots that disagree is a fundamental part of the facts not going everyone's way.
The way I would frame it is, since Trump had no other way of being elected, he lowered himself to appealing to hate and fear, yes, partially based on racism.
I guess it might be argued that as many people were repulsed away from him by it as there were attracted to him. So who knows. I guess it's possible I'm wrong, that he won becasue of racism.
Some right wingers will try to claim that white folks that were repulsed by Trump on so many levels are actually somehow the real racists. Good luck with that. Either way there is way too much race and divisiveness around race in the picture, which is exactly what the oligarchs want.
facts are not going your way, bring out the accusations of racism.
Trump being President is the facts not going everyone's way. The fact that there are some idiots that disagree is a fundamental part of the facts not going everyone's way.
The way I would frame it is, since Trump had no other way of being elected, he lowered himself to appealing to hate and fear, yes, partially based on racism.
I guess it might be argued that as many people were repulsed away from him by it as there were attracted to him. So who knows. I guess it's possible I'm wrong, that he won becasue of racism.
Some right wingers will try to claim that white folks that were repulsed by Trump on so many levels are actually somehow the real racists. Good luck with that. Either way there is way too much race and divisiveness around race in the picture, which is exactly what the oligarchs want.
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HeadSet
2020 Apr 19, 7:08pm
HeadSet
2020 Apr 19, 7:08pm
The way I would frame it is, since Trump had no other way of being elected, he lowered himself to appealing to hate and fear, yes, partially based on racism.
Not enough constituency with "hate and fear" to get elected. His "other way to get elected" was by appealing to the working class and middle class by closing borders, bringing back manufacturing, and energy independence. Remember, Obama and the Dems at the time were talking about "managing the decline" and "how is Trump going to bring the jobs back, a magic wand?" Trump was a bit more optimistic.
Either way there is way too much race and divisiveness around race in the picture, which is exactly what the oligarchs want.
True, but the oligarchs do not want Trump. They are using "race and divisiveness" as a weapon against Trump.
Not enough constituency with "hate and fear" to get elected. His "other way to get elected" was by appealing to the working class and middle class by closing borders, bringing back manufacturing, and energy independence. Remember, Obama and the Dems at the time were talking about "managing the decline" and "how is Trump going to bring the jobs back, a magic wand?" Trump was a bit more optimistic.
Either way there is way too much race and divisiveness around race in the picture, which is exactly what the oligarchs want.
True, but the oligarchs do not want Trump. They are using "race and divisiveness" as a weapon against Trump.
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marcus
2020 Apr 19, 7:12pm
marcus
2020 Apr 19, 7:12pm
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HeadSet says
Maybe not forever. But while he's in he's doing alot for them, while the gullible suckers buy the con.
HeadSet says
Total bullshit and you must know it. Nobody is that stupid or that gullible.
If they know he's a conman and a liar, why would they believe he;s even trying to do this, let alone that he can ?
Appealing to a more deep hate and fear is more believable to me.
HeadSet says
but the oligarchs do not want Trump
Maybe not forever. But while he's in he's doing alot for them, while the gullible suckers buy the con.
HeadSet says
by appealing to the working class and middle class by closing borders, bringing back manufacturing, and energy independence.
Total bullshit and you must know it. Nobody is that stupid or that gullible.
If they know he's a conman and a liar, why would they believe he;s even trying to do this, let alone that he can ?
Appealing to a more deep hate and fear is more believable to me.
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HeadSet
2020 Apr 19, 7:59pm
HeadSet
2020 Apr 19, 7:59pm
marcus says
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HeadSet saysbut the oligarchs do not want Trump
Maybe not forever. But while he's in he's doing alot for them, while the gullible suckers buy the con.
What do you mean "not forever?" The oligarchs did not want Trump elected, and do not want him now. Bezos, Gates, Buffet, Soros, Bloomberg, Koch, Cook, and owners of major networks and owners of national newspapers all have shown this.
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elliemae
2020 Apr 20, 7:26am
elliemae
2020 Apr 20, 7:26am
marcus says
All of us, at sometime in our lives, have done something that surely would have caused the Great & Mighty Patrick to feel compelled to punch us in our collective and separate faces. Not that there's anything wrong with that - feeling, that is.
Patrick the person, not so much. He's probably the guy you share a laugh in line with when someone at Starbucks gave their name as "Bingo."
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By the way Ellie, I agree that Patrick is a very nice guy in many ways. But when and if he ever meets me, he has indirectly let me know he might be compelled to punch me in the face.
All of us, at sometime in our lives, have done something that surely would have caused the Great & Mighty Patrick to feel compelled to punch us in our collective and separate faces. Not that there's anything wrong with that - feeling, that is.
Patrick the person, not so much. He's probably the guy you share a laugh in line with when someone at Starbucks gave their name as "Bingo."
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Onvacation
2020 Apr 20, 7:38am
Onvacation
2020 Apr 20, 7:38am
annoyed1 says
He threw a tantrum when he could no longer insult people
Iwog sounds like my kind of guy. Why did he leave?
He threw a tantrum when he could no longer insult people
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Onvacation
2020 Apr 20, 7:41am
Onvacation
2020 Apr 20, 7:41am
marcus says
You didn't build that!
Too many Trump voters have the audacity to assert that Trump is not an absurdly divisive leader.
You didn't build that!
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WookieMan
2020 Apr 20, 7:52am
WookieMan
2020 Apr 20, 7:52am
marcus says
How so? I think discourse here would rarely, if ever, get to physical conflict for an in person encounter. I know I get pissy here, but I think a lot of people mistake emotions via text/writing like what happens here. Like I've said before, I'd have a beer with 99.7% of people I've interacted with on this site. I think most would reciprocate. We all don't hate each other as much as it seems like we do, we just disagree on some shit. Oh well?
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By the way Ellie, I agree that Patrick is a very nice guy in many ways. But when and if he ever meets me, he has indirectly let me know he might be compelled to punch me in the face.
How so? I think discourse here would rarely, if ever, get to physical conflict for an in person encounter. I know I get pissy here, but I think a lot of people mistake emotions via text/writing like what happens here. Like I've said before, I'd have a beer with 99.7% of people I've interacted with on this site. I think most would reciprocate. We all don't hate each other as much as it seems like we do, we just disagree on some shit. Oh well?
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