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FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA

Higher percentage of illegals explains this. When you are living 15 people to a house, it spreads easily inside the house.

Booger says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA

Higher percentage of illegals explains this. When you are living 15 people to a house, it spreads easily inside the house.

I don’t know about illegals, but number of blue collar workers in a household is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard this far.

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

My guess is that an expensive place to live, like LA, has a below average number of people living in nursing homes.

mell says

No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.

Well I don't think hardly anybody wants to be infected, so that part of your quasi libertarian statement is irrelevant. And since unless one has been tested one cannot know if one has the virus it is sort of ridiculous to use the term knowingly infected, as if someone with aids corn holed you. 35% asymptomatic, many with mild symptoms one simply, in most cases can't know. But one can assume that a certain % of convention goers almost certainly will be contagious. Yeah the government has a role to play here, who is going to clean up the mess when the old, fat, diabetic Republicans on medicare end up on ventilators?

Booger says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

My guess is that an expensive place to live, like LA, has a below average number of people living in nursing homes.

The hyper expensive market has only been active for about 5 years. Pre 2001 or so, and again from 2010-2012 both rents and sales prices were remarkably low.

Los Angeles has far more nursing homes — 388 — than any other county in the state. San Diego, the state's second most populous county with about a third of LA's population, has about one-fifth as many nursing homes.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coronavirus/density-poverty-keep-los-angeles-struggling-against-virus/2367491/

rdm says

mell says

No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.

Well I don't think hardly anybody wants to be infected, so that part of your quasi libertarian statement is irrelevant. And since unless one has been tested on cannot know if one has the virus it is sort of ridiculous to use the term knowingly infected, as if someone with aids corn holed you. 35% asymptomatic, many with mild symptoms one simply, in most cases can't know. But one can assume that a certain % of convention goers almost certainly will be contagious. Yeah the government has a role to play here, who is going to clean up the mess when the old, fat, diabetic Republicans on medicare end up on ventilators?

Less money to pay out for social security, what's the problem? That was my point there should be no interference, if you go to the event without a mask you're willingly taking a small risk like people do every day with their decisions. Nothing to see here.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I don’t know about illegals, but number of blue collar workers in a household is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard this far.

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

It kind of makes sense that cases could go from nursing homes to crowded blue collar houses and back again, because nursing home care is typically a pretty low paid occupation.

Futures up and another record low infection / death day. This thing is over don't cling to it.

ThreeBays says

mell says

Sweden has 1.5 x cases per capita than Denmark and twice those of Norway and Finland, nothing to see here.

You're countering deaths per capita with cases per capita? You can't be serious.

Density. Pay attention. Infections and deaths of course are correlated as well but not as strongly as infections and deaths to density.

ThreeBays says

Density wise Sweden is also much lower than France, and it's on track to pass it in total deaths per capita in a week or so.

You realize within every country there are very dense areas called cities, right? If one of these dense areas has a high population of the demographic that is vulnerable, they will have more deaths. Montana has 15/M deaths while NY has 1,507/M deaths. What is the difference between these two locations? I know this has been posted multiple times here, but just use the sort functions and look at the states with some of the worse cases per million. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Everyone is painting with too broad a brush with this virus. Montana should have never been closed down for the short time it was. NY should have been shut down way earlier. This is part of the reason it seems like Trump is passing the blame to governors. Well it's true. They're going to know their state substantially better than the federal government. It was the right response to let the states do what they deemed best, because they know better. Not federal big brother.

ThreeBays says

Sweden has 10 times more deaths per capita than Norway and Finland, and 4 times more than Denmark which has a higher population density than Sweden.

... and 20%+ less than Belgium, France, Italy without a harsh lockdown.

How is Denmark, Norway, and Finland counting? Are they counting like France, US, UK, or are they counting like Germany?

Sure, if you include the Northern Half of Sweden which is Ass Numbing Cold, where nobody lives. Swedish cities on the Baltic and Kattegat, where the vast majority of the population lives, are fairly dense.

About 90% of the 3,700 people who have died from coronavirus in Sweden were over 70, and half were living in care homes, according to a study from Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare at the end of April.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/16/across-the-world-figures-reveal-horrific-covid-19-toll-of-care-home-deaths#maincontent